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Sick Guinea Pig suffered and died from a 10hr long seizure. Please provide some insight.

@Paula. only if your vet was to have tend to my pig. your vet sounds like a very well educated person who is not afraid to go out of his way to save a life. the vet at St Marks Vet in NYC showed very little interest because its a guinea pig and wouldn't carry the heavy price tag that a greater animal such as cats and dogs would. i cannot get another pig because i am too devastated to see another one die again.

@Kim37040. for the past 2 days and nights all i can think of is the 10 hours of him squeaking and twitching in pain. sadness and tears became anger and confusion. so many question unanswered. i just hate how im still looking for him and he will never come back.
 
I am so, so sorry for your loss. It's always hard to loose a beloved friend but even worse to have to watch them suffer without being able to help. And what a cute piggie too. Though its hard now know that you gave it your best effort, and gave a beautiful piggie a great life. Again, I'm so sorry for your loss- this post brought tears to my eyes.
 
I wish i could have done more research in the short time i had. I'm looking at all the NEGATIVE reviews that St Marks vet NYC has. I've talked with several experienced Vets and they're all telling me that the right course of action was to start my pig on fluids, baytril and oxygen asap. The Vets i spoke with even question if the vet that saw my pig was even a exotic animal specialist or a Vet at all. These guys are completely heartless. All they did was check his heartbeat and said "its a old sick animal and is going to die." As a Vet they are suppose to inform me of all my options which they never did, as a professional they are suppose to start him on these things without even having to ask.
 
I wish i could have done more research in the short time i had. I'm looking at all the NEGATIVE reviews that St Marks vet NYC has. I've talked with several experienced Vets and they're all telling me that the right course of action was to start my pig on fluids, baytril and oxygen asap. The Vets i spoke with even question if the vet that saw my pig was even a exotic animal specialist or a Vet at all. These guys are completely heartless. All they did was check his heartbeat and said "its a old sick animal and is going to die." As a Vet they are suppose to inform me of all my options which they never did, as a professional they are suppose to start him on these things without even having to ask.
Different vets have different ways of communicating. My vet who diagnosed Harvey is very direct and blunt and a I know a lot of folks who refuse to see him anymore because he can seem a little mean and uncaring. He's just direct and realizes that sugar-coating things for people just isn't his thing. Since I also tend to be very direct, I don't mind blunt communication and prefer to deal with facts rather than emotion, especially when difficult decisions might need to be made.

It's very unfortunate that your vet wasn't kinder, but I think you're doing yourself a disservice by dwelling on it and digging up dirt on the clinic. The likelihood is that even with oxygen, fluids and baytril, the pig might likely have died just the same, even with intensive (and also expensive) treatment. The masses you describe and the fluid coming from his nose sound very much to me like what happens to an animal whose organs are failing as it dies - sadly I've seen it a couple times myself.

At 5 1/2, he lived a good, long life and was very likely a very happy piggy. I'd focus on that instead of the vet clinic and the treatment there.
 
I'm very sorry for your loss, its so sad to lose a loved pet. I so wish vets would offer euthanasia at a better cost when you have brought the pet in for treatment and that is the best treatment available at the time.
I disagree with what a vet is suppose to do, None I have had for any pet would start a treatment without consent, what you wanted started in hindsight would have cost a lot more over euthanasia and the fact you refused to pay that has me wonder if you would have agreed to pay $500.00 plus for treatment. I am not trying to be mean but you ignored the weight loss which is the first signs of illness, you allowed him to seizure for 10 hours instead of having him put down for another $70.00 dollars, would you have wanted to spend so much more money on a chance he may have survived?
 
Treatment wasn't offered, only euthanasia was. the vet misdiagnosed him saying he was going to die shortly (such as on the trip back home). 10 hours is not shortly. if i knew that fluids and antibiotics would give him a chance then yes i would have taken that option. A experienced vet knows how much we love our animals and would offer such options to ensure hope and survival for them, if i didn't care about his survival i wouldn't have bother taking him there and paying the $98 dollars in the first place. This one seemed to act as if my pig ate poison or we dropped him which has never happened and disregarded the fact that we told her this only happened within 3 hours and the weigh loss shouldn't have been a huge problem because he was eating and drinking normally and very active. she said "it could be a million reasons" she seemed to not care (felt as if her mind was set) or at least didn't seem too concerned about a rodent or quite frankly she probably wasn't a exotic animal specialist according to the many other Vets i've spoken with after the death of my pig. Im sorry but i'm not a supporter of assisted suicide (murder) and i hope all of u as animal lover will never take away a chance of survival by having our pets euthanized. i do believe if he was going to die then some pain medication should have been offered.
 
So was this your vet or one found once the piggie was sick? Let me get this straight, you would rather a pet die with pain meds( which btw I can personally say never stop 100% of the pain) and a painful death over euthanasia? When you left that vet did you go straight to another cavy savy vet? I am just trying to figure out how you found this vet, why if you felt it was misdiagnosed you didn't take it to another?
 
ALL animal owners need to be comfortable with euthanasia, IMO.
It's our jobs to make their lives as best as possible, and that includes ending them when the time comes.
 
I Called The Animal Medical Center in new york city. They told me that their exotic animal specialist was off for the day and they referred me to the St Marks vet Hospital because they were alot closer to my location. I was in a panic and had not done my research on this St marks place. After being told by the vet at St marks vet hospital. i took their word that my pig was going to die very shortly and that there was nothing else they could do. After my pig died many hours later. the next day i was not in a panic anymore and did some research online and called some other vets who specialized in exotic animals and they all told me this was a wrongful death from their personal experiences. The procedure for something like this is to get fluids, antibiotics and oxygen. this is the same thing with humans when we go to the ER.
 
Aw I'm so sorry! He is so adorable!!! I can't give you any insight, I'm so sorry again though!
 
Wait, so instead of trying to do anything else or get a second opinion, you just sat there and watched your guinea pig die for 10 HOURS?
Don't get me wrong, I am VERY sorry for your loss, and the 'vet' you saw was clearly not cavy savvy.
However; you, as a caregiver, should have been more proactive.
I guess I just don't understand how you could sit there watching your animal suffer, and accept someone checking the heart rate rate as "enough"...

Again, I really am sorry for your loss. If you decide to get another pet (no matter what kind) please do your best to find a competent vet, before getting the animal.
 
I Called The Animal Medical Center in new york city. They told me that their exotic animal specialist was off for the day and they referred me to the St Marks vet Hospital because they were alot closer to my location. I was in a panic and had not done my research on this St marks place. After being told by the vet at St marks vet hospital. i took their word that my pig was going to die very shortly and that there was nothing else they could do. After my pig died many hours later. the next day i was not in a panic anymore and did some research online and called some other vets who specialized in exotic animals and they all told me this was a wrongful death from their personal experiences. The procedure for something like this is to get fluids, antibiotics and oxygen. this is the same thing with humans when we go to the ER.
First of all, there is no definitive "procedure" for this kind of thing - like I said before, a lot of things with these animals comes down to experience and guesswork and what the vet feels is necessary or not.

Secondly, this experience is exactly the reason it is so strongly recommended that you find a vet before you need one.

Thirdly, it's also the reason we so strongly suggest weighing your pig regularly and acting accordingly if your pig is losing steadily - which your pig was.

Yes, the vet could and should have been kinder and there may or may not have been other things she could have tried. BUT, the irregular heartbeat is telling - a pig with a heart problem isn't likely to withstand stressful procedures or anesthesia. An experienced vet would know this and would be wise NOT to proceed with invasive measures. In my view, the suggestion that he was going to die didn't necessarily mean it was going to be on the car ride home, that may have been your interpretation, but that doesn't mean it's what she intended or meant.

It's unfortunate, it's very sad, and I think we're all sorry it happened, but in reality, if you have an issue you should probably take it up directly with the clinic instead of here, especially when there is at least partial blame on your part. Furthermore, at least here, you made it clear you wouldn't/couldn't pay for even a necropsy, so it seems unlikely you would have opted for procedures (everything, even giving fluids costs money at vet clinics) which could cost hundreds and likely would have ended the same.

I also have to say that at least at about hours 3-4 of my pig seizing violently, I would consider taking him back in to see a vet, possibly for euthanasia, possibly for further treatment, rather than letting him linger in pain for 10 hours only to turn around and blame the vet, who told you he was going to die soon, and "soon" can be anything from an hour to a few days.

I'm very sorry it happened, but I think it's time to realize your part in what happened and let bygones be bygones - you aren't doing yourself any favors by playing it out over and over again, either.
 
I too recently lost my piggy, but it was not sudden like yours...mine wasn't even a year old yet, but having to care for her everyday knowing she was struggling and could go any day made it difficult indeed, and even knowing her death may be eminent didn't really ease the pain of her loss that much...so I have complete empathy for your loss.
It is hard for folks who have not really been around pets, especially guinea pigs, to understand the kind of bond they form with us. When an animal that has a certain degree of wildness still in them responds to you, and even looks forward to your company as your Hercules did, that sense of trust is simply overwhelming and fills your heart with gratitude that you earned it from them. Pain will ease with time. A memorial or finding others who you can talk to you, like on this forum, can bring you comfort as well. The suggestions of fostering another guinea pig or helping in a shelter until you are ready to consider bringing the same love to another guinea pig...can be helpful. Or even making a donation in your Piggies name to a shelter can also ease your pain.
 
You guys are all wonderful and i've come to realize that he's gone and after all, there is no answer which can give him back to me. all my memories are still fresh and i hope you guys will never have to experience anything like this. Don't make the same mistake i've made. Loss of weight is the number 1 sign that your piggy needs to see a vet. mine was eating and active so i didn't see his weight lose as a big deal which was a huge mistake on my behalf. Whether the vet could have done more doesn't really matter at this point.
 
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