A victory for cavy rights?

I agree with all that you say Scotslass. I'm just trying to find out what is going to happen to these guinea pgs now that the farm is closing. I do hope that they will release them to rescues...but have my doubts.
If I find anything out, I'll let you all know.
Barbara

I've been watching that on the news too. Really sad about all the poor little piggers that must have called that place "home" over the last 30 years Don't agree with some of the actions the protesters took but I am glad that people cared enough about the piggies and that the farm is to be closed. Hope the piggies get a second chance at life.

Say all you want about the methods.

If you think writing letters and signing online email petitions was going to make a difference, forget about it.

If you were one of these guinea pigs, you'd be damned thankful.
https://www.liberation-now.org/photo_gallery.html
https://www.liberation-now.org/who_they_are.html

There but for the grace of God...

I know that signing petitions and letter writing unfortunately makes very little difference to most people's worthwhile causes. I agree that more active forms of protest have to be taken. I did however disagree with the grave robbery of one of the families relatives. I feel that the protesters could have gotton thier point across without going to this extreme. I realise that this was probably the action of a select few but I didn't want to be seen as condoning that action. I saw the disturbing photos as posted and it is all over the news in this country. Please know that although I may disagree with one of the protestors' actions that I in no way sympathise with those involved in carrying out the barbaric practices on the poor animals. I would be very interested to know how they would feel if these horrific practices were carried out on themselves.

Believe me when I say that nothing makes me happier than to know that the piggies ordeal will finally be over.

CavySpirit said:

Say all you want about the methods.

If you think writing letters and signing online email petitions was going to make a difference, forget about it.

If you were one of these guinea pigs, you'd be damned thankful.
https://www.liberation-now.org/photo_gallery.html
https://www.liberation-now.org/who_they_are.html

There but for the grace of God...

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Look at the last pic in the photo gallery. Anyone else think the second piggy from the left has a big smile on his face?

I'm going to cop flack for this, but that is just wrong. Yes, breeding for scientific research is cruel to the piggies and I'm glad it has stopped, but desecrating a woman's grave, removing her remains? Sending death threats? Graffiti? It's all illigal, it's all wrong, and these people should be arrested.

The practice of the family breeding the piggies, while distasteful, was legal. The actions of the animal rights activists was not. The ends do not justify the means.

I was so relieved to wake up this morning & see this mentioned on the BBC.

I posted about this place awhile ago here: https://guineapigcages.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5288

While I do think some of the animal groups that targetted this family were too extreme, I'm glad that these they're no longer putting their animals through such misery. I remember feeling sick to my stomach when I first saw those pictures of how guinea pigs were being treated.

Does anyone know what's going to happen to those guinea pigs now?

They would probably put them down as they were all living in such bad conditions.. I can't imagine that any of them would be healthy. I don't know. I heard about it on the news yesterday and I was glad at first but them I thought that these people who dug up the grave have actually won.. I think that's sad. I'm so glad the guinea pigs won't have to live like this anymore.

Well according to the website 600 were rescued before and lived happy health lives so maybe these ones can go on to live happy healthy lives too.

As for the behavior of the activists, I've seen it on the other side of the fence too. It's not just "tree huggers" who engage in such activity, much more conservative "peaceful" groups do it as well. A woman in South Carolina has had bricks thrown at her house, her animals killed with notes saying "You're next", and countless other illegal activites done to her because she stood up for her religious rights. These "good old coutry folk" are litereally trying to run her out of town. So quite frankly untill everybody stops such behavior, liberal, conservative, tree hugger and slaughterhouse president alike then no peaceful means will be heard.

Sabriel said:

Well according to the website 600 were rescued before and lived happy health lives so maybe these ones can go on to live happy healthy lives too.

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I can't think of any reason why these guinea pigs can't go on to live normal lives as much loved companions.
I'd imagine the owner will sell the ones that are ready to go now to the labs as they would usually do, but that will leave their breeding animals and young babies. Let us hope that they do the decent thing for once and release these animals to reputable animal rescues.

I don't think they should go straight to new homes as they will need to be checked over, probably socialised, quarantined and observed for pregnancies.
With care and attention there could be a whole new world of love out there for them, where they will be a name and not just a number.

I'm just praying for news that these little ones, or at least some of them are to be released soon.
Please keep them in your thoughts.

Barbara

Krysanthemum said:

The practice of the family breeding the piggies, while distasteful, was legal.

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The breeding may have been legal, but the housing, handling and general care requirements of these cavies that were clearly lacking were definitely questionable.

In my opinion anyone that is going to continue to horribly and callously abuse animals despite being actively and frequently told that they are being abusive and neglectful deserve what ever they get.

These people abused and tortured perhaps millions of animals over several of their family's generations. They didn't give one tiny caring crap that these animals were suffering in their care or after their sale.

If it took people desicrating a woman's grave, a woman that got rich on blood money, to finally get their attention, then good for them! It only proves that the family only care about themselves.

We should nail those people to walls and give them chemicals to scratch themselfs to death. Thats just not right.

Poor little piggies!!!! Even though i don't agree with people stealing remains from the grave, I'm still SO happy the pigs don't have to suffer anymore. Those pictures are HORRIBLE!!!!

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The breeding may have been legal, but the housing, handling and general care requirements of these cavies that were clearly lacking were definitely questionable.

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Then they should have been investigated by the police and prosecuted through the courts. Obviously they weren't, so they must have been legal. But the actions of the activists absolutely were not.

Also, if you read the newspaper report, it says that the woman whose body was dug up had nothing to do with the guinea pig farm, she was related to the family by marriage but was otherwise uninvolved. I know she's dead, but she did not deserve this kind of treatment at all.

I'm actually surprised at this thread. You realise you are agreeing with and supporting people who broke the law? I don't care what their reasons were, they broke the law. I don't think that's something such a good and moral forum should be condoning. If you don't like the law, lobby a politician and make such a practice illegal. Resorting to illegal acts just makes you as bad as the farmer.

A couple of weeks ago there was a discussion on this forum about when, and if, stealing can be acceptable. The overwhelming majority of people agreed that theft was never, ever acceptable, under any circumstances. This is the theft of an innocent woman's dead body. Is it acceptable because it was in the defence of guinea pigs, against obviously morally corrupt people?

Was it proven that the woman's remains were dug up by these animal rights' activists? I skimmed over the links provided, but didn't see anything definitive about the culprit ...

I find it very difficult to have any sympathy for these animal abusers, despite the fact that they were victims of a grave robber. The woman whose remains were taken is dead - she is not suffering at all from having her remains dug up. And even if she was only related by marriage and didn't have anything to do with the guinea pig business, did she do anything about it? If she sat by and let it happen without trying to stop it, then she is ... or was, I should say ... as guilty as those carrying out the abuse.

Someone said that the behavior of this family, while distasteful, was legal. Perhaps that's true ... and that all the abuse that occurred was , n fact, legal ... but does that make it right? Just because something is legal doesn't make it right or okay. At one point in time, it was legal to own slaves. At one point in time, it was legal to force children to work dangerous jobs in factories. At one point in time, it was legal to keep women from voting. In some states, there are still laws, obscure though they may be, that allow a man to beat his wife, as long as he doesn't use anything wider than his thumb to do it with. I think everyone will agree that these things are not okay or right ... but they did or still do occur ....

And yes, slavery was outlawed, minors in the workplace were outlawed, and women were allowed to vote .... but it took radical, dramatic action to achieve those goals. Susan B. Anthony broke the law by showing up at a voting station. Hundreds of people broke the law helping slaves escape slavery through the underground railroad .... are/were they as bad as those doing the enslaving or those keeping the women from voting?

The real tragedy, in my opinion, is the fact that it took such extreme action to achieve better treatment for animals. I think it stinks that laws are so slow, weak, and ineffectual that it took a grave robbery to initiate the change.

Do I think the ends justify the means? One dead woman's remains vs. the suffering of thousands of living animals? Hell yes, I think the ends justify the means.

Once again, Susan, thank you for your great post.

I'm actually surprised at this thread. You realise you are agreeing with and supporting people who broke the law? I don't care what their reasons were, they broke the law. I don't think that's something such a good and moral forum should be condoning. If you don't like the law, lobby a politician and make such a practice illegal. Resorting to illegal acts just makes you as bad as the farmer.

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Well, I'm surprised you're surprised. And specifically "Resorting to illegal acts just makes you as bad as the farmer." No bloody way. Not in a million years. As Susan so eloquently pointed out, never has legality equaled morality. Never.

If you don't like the law, lobby a politician and make such a practice illegal. I am constantly amazed at so many people's simplistic, Pollyanna view of our social and legal system. As if.

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Then they should have been investigated by the police and prosecuted through the courts. Obviously they weren't, so they must have been legal. But the actions of the activists absolutely were not.

Also, if you read the newspaper report, it says that the woman whose body was dug up had nothing to do with the guinea pig farm, she was related to the family by marriage but was otherwise uninvolved. I know she's dead, but she did not deserve this kind of treatment at all.

I'm actually surprised at this thread. You realise you are agreeing with and supporting people who broke the law? I don't care what their reasons were, they broke the law. I don't think that's something such a good and moral forum should be condoning. If you don't like the law, lobby a politician and make such a practice illegal. Resorting to illegal acts just makes you as bad as the farmer.

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Read the second link properly. They condone merely peaceful protest, lobbying politicians and media. The fact that some people took it into their own hands to go to the extreme is something else all together.

The town next to the one I live had a camp for G8 protesters. On the opening day of the summit Stirling was ripped to pieces and policemen were beaten trying to control them. Blame was laid on the camping protesters. An investigation showed a week later that those involved in the violence were locals. Don't look to the peaceful protesters as the trouble makers, there are cliques that are just out to cause disruption.

Susan summed it up wonderfully. You are entitled to your opinion. I wouldn't break the law myself, but I'm definitely not as perfect a law-abiding citizen as (you believe) you are because something deep down tells me that they brought it on themselves.