Fur-Law video about J Crew and others (WARNING)

What is the video about because I don't want to watch it until I know what it is about.

THat was aboslutely horrible....it made me feel sick, honestly why do d people do those things? Are they heartless? THe movie is mainly about how people trap and kill animals to use their fur in clothing lines. There really is some graphic detail of how the animals are killed, but its worth watching, to see why it is so important to stop companies like that :'(

Its about the abuse and Neglect the animals in the Fur Industry suffer, very Graphic and very disturbing.

THat was aboslutely horrible....it made me feel sick, honestly why do d people do those things? Are they heartless? THe movie is mainly about how people trap and kill animals to use their fur in clothing lines. There really is some graphic detail of how the animals are killed, but its worth watching, to see why it is so important to stop companies like that :'(

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Its about the abuse and Neglect the animals in the Fur Industry suffer, very Graphic and very disturbing.

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Sums it up. Some of the ways they kil the animals are so sick!:yuck: The racoon dog that was skinned then put on the pile and was still alive:weepy: . Sick!

Back on the peta subject...who the *&#$@ films this and doesn't "fix it". As in, who films the friggen animals struggling for some friggen video rather than ending it for them or getting them out. Yay for expliotation! Go Peta, leave it to you.

dragon6483 said:

Back on the peta subject...who the *&#$@ films this and doesn't "fix it". As in, who films the friggen animals struggling for some friggen video rather than ending it for them or getting them out. Yay for expliotation! Go Peta, leave it to you.

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You know what's worse? The people that sit and watch these films and say "not my problem, why didn't the person filming it do something".

It takes more then the one or two people filming the problem to stop it. In fact, often, the people working undercover to get the footage for evidance are at great risk. If they get caught they could be killed, especially in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

PETA is trying to do whatever they can. They risk themselves, spend their money and subject themselves to horrors most people can't imagine and only ask of you, NOT to support the cruelty.

So instead of pointing your finger at PETA for filming the horror you should be pointing your finger at the perpetrators and saying "ENOUGH, I won't allow this to go on."

Back on the peta subject...who the *&#$@ films this and doesn't "fix it". As in, who films the friggen animals struggling for some friggen video rather than ending it for them or getting them out. Yay for expliotation! Go Peta, leave it to you.

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VJ already made some great points. I want to underscore how much I dislike that attitude. What EXACTLY, in your expert opinion, was to be done by the individual with the camera?

Also, you've made these two related statements in a post about Petsmart:

You should talk to the Pet Care Manager of that Petsmart. I work at Petsmart here and they are in blatent violation of the policies set forth by corporate. Granted these policies still don't provide for the ideal space and long term living conditions of the animals, at least they offer some guidelines to maintain standards of comfort and cleanliness.

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The conditions you describe violate a whole slew of those standards, btw, so if documented someone should be able to be held accountable. Pet Care Mgr, Store Mgr, District Services Mgr, just keep after them.

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I'm wondering just where the heck your head is at? Just because it's PETA, there is an attitude?

Granted I don't think I have the stomach to watch this, I must say I'm happy no one in my family has ever bought anything of real fur( to my knowledge) in my lifetime. I'm happy that this kind of knowledge is getting out to the public, but just one question: how do these killers not realize how they have cameras?

That is sooo horrible, I'm never going to buy any fur product. Is fake fur make with animals too? At one point in the video I wanted to close the window and cry, it's so horrible. I want to do something about it but I don't know where to start.

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That is sooo horrible, I'm never going to buy any fur product. Is fake fur make with animals too?

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No, fake fur is 100% cruelty free and super cool looking too!

I don't consider myself squeamish by any means but I really do feel physically sick looking at that, particularly the part regarding the raccoons. I have never worn fur products and never will. Next step vegetarianism.

The people filming are already doing quite a bit - they are raising awareness to people like us. It's our responsibility to do something as much as theirs.

I cried when I saw that:weepy: ! That is horrible horrible horrible! i cant beleive someone would do that to the poor animals! If the person who is doing that were infront of me at the moment I would smack them(very hard!) around the face:grumpy: ! Sorry, but that video made me extreamly angry at the people who are doing that!

Oh my gosh that was so heartbreaking! The racoon dog being thrown on the pile just broke my heart, I am sorry I could not watch the rest. I have never bought fur products and I never will. I comend the people that are willing to stand up to ignorant people like that. I wish there was something I could do.
Amanda

CavySpirit said:

I'm wondering just where the heck your head is at? Just because it's PETA, there is an attitude?

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Boo hiss boo :odges thrown objects::

Just saying it makes me sad that in some of those situations (uhh..like the ones that were outside obviously not in facilities) that the animals are filmed instead of immediatly helped. I'm not gonna sugar coat the fact that I think PETA is corrupt in a lot of ways. And, if you read a few of my other posts, I feel that a large part of PETA ppl are just, good, kind, well meaning people. Lord friggen knows that finding corruption in an organization is common place.
You take those two petsmart quotes out of context, by the way. I was making the statement that the OTHER petsmarts (not mine), were not behaving correctly, according to standards of the company...and once again, if you actually read the other posts, I have said that I am in no way in support/defense of the pet store industry in regards to its sale or care of animals. Anyway.

I've never bought fur (and certainly never will). I don't even like leather or other animal products. Filming is the perfect thing to do in a situation like this since it exposes the truth for all to see. Someone who said 'they should have stopped it rather than just filmed' is making a horrible circular argument; by filming it and showing it to the public they are stopping it by exposing the abhorent practice to the world for what it is. That is the way a market economy works, and it is the responsible thing to do in the society we live in. This isn't marxism / communism / neo-socialism where the government mandates that fur is made and then imprisons / executes anyone who doesn't agree, or vice versa. Fur is made because of the consumer demand and hence the potential for profit. If the demand were to disappear because everyone knows the truth, so to would the potential for profit and fur would no longer be made.

Prepare to duck, more incoming...

You take those two petsmart quotes out of context, by the way. I was making the statement that the OTHER petsmarts (not mine), were not behaving correctly, according to standards of the company...and once again, if you actually read the other posts, I have said that I am in no way in support/defense of the pet store industry in regards to its sale or care of animals.

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I think you are deluding yourself about your petsmart. Geez, just because you don't see something you think there isn't a bigger picture going on? How can you say you don't support the pet industry's sale or care of animals? I hate to tell you, but you are very much a paid-for member of the industry. You don't have to support it. You are it. There's no distinct us and them. There's no black and white line that draws a line around every element, person or transaction that makes up the pet trade industry. It's a nebulous, moving target.

Let's go back to the comment you made about a bad Petsmart: The conditions you describe violate a whole slew of those standards, btw, so if documented someone should be able to be held accountable. Who do you think is doing the real work to get some of those standards created in the first place? What's your resume of animal welfare activist results? I can tell you that holding Petsmart accountable for documented bad practices is practically a joke. How many documented cases does it take? I'll take a so-called corrupt PETA over whining about 'someone should do something' any day of the week. The kind of work that PETA does is the kind of work that makes people sit up and take notice and moves them to action. Their efforts are highly informative. Their site is a wealth of animal welfare education and RESULTS. Are they perfect? No. Are you?

My policy on PETA is stated on the vegetarian forum. Perhaps it needs to be stated in the Kitchen forum as well. In addition to this being a pro-rescue, anti-breeding, anti-pet store animal sales site, this is a PRO-PETA site. I do not take kindly to vague PETA slamming here. You can do it everywhere else. But if you are going level charges of corruption, I'd like to you to be prepared to back up those accusations with facts and references.

I have a humongously long list available of the mountain of good work that PETA does. Our animal welfare efforts are so difficult as it is, I have a very, very low tolerance of people on this forum who are supposedly supportive of animal welfare slamming those who put out major effort and energy to change things for the better for animals.

I haven't watched the video yet, as I'm going to eat soon. But I think I'll put it on my website under "graphic video's" to educate the public. Thanks for posting that LuvMyPiggers.

Our animal welfare efforts are so difficult as it is, I have a very, very low tolerance of people on this forum who are supposedly supportive of animal welfare slamming those who put out major effort and energy to change things for the better for animals.

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Your not the only one. I too found the first comment to be very inappropriate. (Sp?)

Hah, oh well. No, I don't think petsmart is a wonderful great place. No, I don't think mine in particular is super great either. Let's see, yeah, I work there, oh well, as I've said before, it could be some other yahoo working there who'd sell whatever animal to whoever, not that it makes it better that anyone works there in general. I enjoy taking care of the animals there, and I enjoy talking to people about their animals. I don't hail the praises and say how great and superior they are (cause they sure aren't). That's why I keep pictures of my cage in the podium at work to show to people so they don't buy our junk small cages. I don't change that I feel it's sad that the animals were filmed suffering, yeah, sure, it's an eye opener, but I still think it's sad. I won't even get into what faults I find with electronic communication for misinterpretation and misconstued meaning of, as well as lack of proper context for what is said. I won't sing the high praises and call peta 100% wonderful, sorry. Of course, I really don't think there is an organization out there that is, if you find it, please tell me... and as I've said more than once (of course, it isn't pulled and quoted), there are wondeful, well intentioned people that are involved with peta as well as the media gluttons. Peta is just more out in front because they are more "publicized".
Ya know, frankly, as someone mentioned before, I would be tickled if we didn't sell pets. I came on here to learn more about piggies so I could not only take care of mine better, but learn how to help people that come into my work take better care of theirs. I'd love it if we carried all the best products, trust me, I don't buy our hedgehog food, it's junk. Oh well, I broke my cookie cutter. I make no apologies that the experiences I've had with peta (having nothing to do with anything since I became involved with the pet industry) were formed in such a negative light, guess it's just another example of opinions being formed by what media you're exposed to. I would honestly like to see evidence of the positive side of the organization that many people put a large amount of faith into (and some people put quite blind faith into (and no, that wasn't a slam to anyone on here, period)) -- and the previous statement was a genuine one, not a "oh sure, yeah, bring it, show me proof" statement (just don't want to leave any room for doubt/misunderstandings of what I just said).