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butterflymiss

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Maybe I am wrong in asking, and maybe part of me is just plain nieve or something, but can someone tell me why it is that there seems to be such a negativity on 'breeding' on this website? Ok, maybe I havent seen all the "bad" stuff that does prob go on in some cases, but dont you think there is also "good" being done also? I'm not sure, as I said, to all the details and all the goings on regarding breeding... so if someone could please help me understand why it is that this website seems so sttrongly sutied towards breeding.
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What's bad about breeding to me is the fact that there are cavy shelters set up in almost every state, so why not rescue one of those instead of bringing another one into this unnatural environment. Sometimes I look at my pets and I feel sorry for them for having to live their whole lives in my house. I couldn't take them out side, there are too many cats.
 
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Every home you find for those babies is a home that could have saved a shelter pig. By bringing another pig into the world you condemn another pig to suffer. There just aren't enough homes.
 
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Since someone who cares about pigs in the first place wouldn't be breeding them, breeding, showing, etc. are all only done by people who consider their own personal stuff more important than the welfare of their pigs. Simple numbers and genetics make it imposible for a breeder to "find a home" for every pig they deem "terminal" (non-breedable). The breeder standard of "90% terminal, 10% breedable" that is often quoted in the rancher world is reached today with technological wonders like artificial insemination and sophisticated genetic tracking and computer modeling, most breeders don't have access to these so the reality with most breeds is a 5% or less ratio.

This means that even the best breeder has to get rid of 19 out of 20 pigs born, and that every generation he must grow his number by 20 times in order to keep the same number of breedable pigs (typically around 25). Certain breeds have a high percentage of "lethal" births, 25%, try to find a home for the lethals that don't die... Imagine trying to find homes for hundreds of pigs every couple of months, that's several pigs a day. The reality is that breeders are killing their pigs in one way or another -- gas chambers or selling them to reptile owners as "feeders" or just taking them outside and 'letting them go', etc.

There was a thread that a breeder who passed and left his pigs behind in the world, about 500 pigs in all, he was pretty typical, some breeders will have a little more, some who are just 'getting started' will have a little less. The simple fact is that with that many pigs, you just can't afford the necessities of a good life for the pigs; in a breeders "care" the pigs' lives end up being awful.
 

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The simple fact is that at this time there is an animal overpopulation problem. Every animal shelter and rescue is full. There are more animals then there are homes. In a situation like this breeding more is irresponsible.

Breeders of Guinea Pigs do no good at all. Their only concern is perfect spots, fur and markings. It is a rare rare thing for a breeder to care about health and genetics. Even if they do care they breed their animals so young that health issues have not shown up yet and they end up passing them on to their offspring anyway.

Breeders that sell their GPs to pet shops are the lowest of the low. These people do not care one bit what happens to their animals. Think about it. If they really cared they would not risk that the animals they brought into this world would end up in a poor home or as reptile food.

I have yet to find a truly responsible GP breeder. To fit the responsible criteria they would need to:
-have home prearranged for the babies BEFORE they breed.
-spay/neuter all animals they sell
-rescue GPs as well as breed and NEVER breed their rescues
-never cull undesirable GPs. Instead they would keep them and care for them no matter how special their needs are.

The only way to stop them is to not support them. By buying from a breeder or pet shop you are supporting a cruel industry. One made up of blood money. People need to stop seeing animals as disposable objects. Put the rescues and shelters out of "business" by adopting all of the animals and then I will listen to breeder arguments. Until then they are the root of the problem and the people that buy from them, no matter how round-about, are their supporters.
 
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PigGranny said:
Well my daughter had at oen point bred her 2 guinea pigs, but she found homes for all the babies. Let em ask a question if you only breed one or twice are you still a breeder?

Yes.
 

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You are a "backyard breeder", which is even worse than a regular breeder.
 

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PigGranny said:
Well my daughter had at oen point bred her 2 guinea pigs, but she found homes for all the babies. Let em ask a question if you only breed one or twice are you still a breeder?
Like Chad and Slap said. If you intentionally breed your animals you are a breeder. But you can always stop being a breeder and try to make a change. Most of the best rescuers started out as breeders.
 

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I have a feeling that PigGranny isn't really the mother of Alfie but Alfie herself, I think this sense the spelling is the same.
 

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The spelling went drastically downhill in that post, so I am assuming that that was Alfie.
 

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I think it was too....

As the others said, I agree. Breed once, your a breeder. As voodoo said , it can be stopped.
 

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30 pigs just dumped in a Riverside shelter. All needing homes. That breeder obviously didn't have homes before hand. Sad thing is, it will happen again and again.
 
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Accidents happen. Sometimes from lack of knowledge and sometimes due to careless actions. If someone breeds becuase they don't understand...fine. But when presented with the information, they they have a choice. To hear the message or ignore it. There are a number of people on this board who bred there pigs. Then they came here and listened to what people were saying, and made the decision to not do it again.

What's even sadder than the pigs being dumped, is that the person who did it, probably has no remorse.
 

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I have had two accidental litters because of the careless actions of my son and his friend.
 

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I remember how upset you were. Especially because you knew that they should have known better.
 
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