Breeding What color will her babies be?

[vicky2]

Yes, death is natural but it doesn't mean you should cause it.
I really don't know what kind of person I am up against. You really think that death isn't a good enough reason not to breed?
The only thing that's equally as bad as breeding is making them suffer through the birthing process and inadequate care.

 

[twiztedlilfae]

I did not saying that breeding is right
I was saying die when giving birth are natural so it's not should be taken as main reason for not breeding.
Please read my post carefully and see the difference.

Whether it's natural to die in birth or not, it can still be prevented by not breeding in the first place. And that is the difference. If you could prevent your animal from dying in the first place wouldn't you want to? Why would you endanger their lives?

 

[Tessa Bea]

Accidents do happen, due to mis-sexing, lack of education- honest mistakes or ignorance.

As a child, I myself had a similar situation to twiztedlilfae- I relied on a pet store to sex a guinea pig that I rescued from a hoarding situation to be a friend for the pig I already had, and they sexed him incorrectly, telling me he was a female. My guinea pig Casey, a female who was probably 3 years old or so fell pregnant. I, being a minor and only educated by the mass media and pet stores, did not realize this until there was suddenly a third bundle of fluff in the cage. I lifted the pigloo to find that there was a second baby, but due to my lack of proper care during pregnancy and labor, she was a stillborn. I feel regret for this to this DAY, even though arguably it wasn't my fault- my parents took no responsibility for the pets and we did not research at all. I just thought Casey was gaining weight, that she was getting fat in her older age or something. Approximately one year after she gave birth to her babies, she passed away. I have no doubt in my mind that she would have lived longer had the pregnancy had never happened.

With proper education and distribution, we can stop the majority of cases such as these from happening. However, I do not think pigs will EVER go extinct, no matter what; because human selfishness and ignorance will continue to exist in spite of our hardest efforts; and pigs will continue to be made to reproduce one way or another.

 

[fridzalone]

Yes, death is natural but it doesn't mean you should cause it.
I really don't know what kind of person I am up against. You really think that death isn't a good enough reason not to breed?
The only thing that's equally as bad as breeding is making them suffer through the birthing process and inadequate care.

Whether it's natural to die in birth or not, it can still be prevented by not breeding in the first place. And that is the difference. If you could prevent your animal from dying in the first place wouldn't you want to? Why would you endanger their lives?

Did I say I'm pro-breeding?
No.

I said I agree not to breed piggies but death is not one good reason because its natural-in fact everyone could die at any moment, and not only when giving birth, there are LOTS another good reasons like reasons that you gave to me on the previous post. Everyone knows when it comes to giving birth any creatures could die, the reason is too general for me.

Thread starter case is one case where she/he bought pregnant sow. So what should she do with the sow? Throw her on the street when she knew her sow is pregnant? Or take it back to the place she bought it and tell the seller "i don't want this sow because it's pregnant". Is that what you want?

When the sow already pregnant, could thread starter prevent it? What she could do is only take care of the sow and providing the vet.

 

[vicky2]

I never said that you are pro-breeding but that I absolutely do not agree with your opinion of reasons not to breed.
I guess you missed the part when the OP said that she would be breeding her once more?

 

[VoodooJoint]

Oh My Gosh People. Are You Seriously Making This Big A Deal Over This? Just because you guinea pigs died or had problems, doesn't mean the exact same thing will happen to hers. Just leave her alone.

As usual the breeders resort to starting alter egos in a desperate attempt to get someone, ANYONE, to agree with them--even if it's only themselves.

Looks like you fell off you horsie there Cowgirl. It's off to Ban City Baby!

 

[vicky2]

Wow. Nice catch VJ.
Your on a roll!

 

[twiztedlilfae]

Fridza, I was just replying to your post on dying in birth being natural. Whether you're anti breeding or pro breeding is not the question. You just said that it was natural and we responded that it may be in fact natural but if you could prevent it why wouldn't you want to?

If you're going to bring up stuff then you should expect answers. The answers did not imply that you yourself wanted to breed just that in that scenario it would a preventable death.

Yes but most deaths are linked to other problems: heart disease, poor eating/unhealthy lifestyles (although it can be other reasons), emphysema or COPD caused by smoking. Noone put the cigarette or whatever in that persons hand but their death could be prevented too if they had made the choice to not do it.

The topic had to do with the fact she was UNSURE if her pig was pregnant, she said that she PROBABLY was. Not that oh yes I have confirmation and can prove she's pregnant. So now if she wasn't before she is more likely due to the OP's choice to house her with a boar.

And then the fact she stated she wanted to breed her AGAIN. It is not about her choosing to take in a pregnant sow, it's about how she wants to breed her AGAIN.

 

[Ly&Pigs]

Cowgirl just can't stay on that horse. She joined again and was banned again under yet another name besides the one VJ banned.

 

[fridzalone]

I never said that you are pro-breeding but that I absolutely do not agree with your opinion of reasons not to breed.
I guess you missed the part when the OP said that she would be breeding her once more?

That's why i told her not to breed in one of my post.

Gosh, you guys should learn how to give advice to people who asked for help. Call them irresponsible, cruel, terribly sad situation on the first place is not a good way to start giving advice to people after their first post, some people maybe lack of knowledge, and they came here to find the answer. You should not freaked out and judge people for their lack of knowledge, you should tutor them. No wonder people think the members in here are quite aggressive.

If you want to learn how to give advice nicely, learn it from Paula or Ly&Pigs. They didn't freaked out, they give advice nicely.

 

[fridzalone]

Fridza, I was just replying to your post on dying in birth being natural. Whether you're anti breeding or pro breeding is not the question. You just said that it was natural and we responded that it may be in fact natural but if you could prevent it why wouldn't you want to?

If you're going to bring up stuff then you should expect answers. The answers did not imply that you yourself wanted to breed just that in that scenario it would a preventable death.

Yes but most deaths are linked to other problems: heart disease, poor eating/unhealthy lifestyles (although it can be other reasons), emphysema or COPD caused by smoking. Noone put the cigarette or whatever in that persons hand but their death could be prevented too if they had made the choice to not do it.

The topic had to do with the fact she was UNSURE if her pig was pregnant, she said that she PROBABLY was. Not that oh yes I have confirmation and can prove she's pregnant. So now if she wasn't before she is more likely due to the OP's choice to house her with a boar.

And then the fact she stated she wanted to breed her AGAIN. It is not about her choosing to take in a pregnant sow, it's about how she wants to breed her AGAIN.

I get the point now. Thanks for clearing this. I admit that I missed the part "she wanted to breed the piggies again". Sorry for that^^

 

[fridzalone]

Cowgirl just can't stay on that horse. She joined again and was banned again under yet another name besides the one VJ banned.

There's no need to do that, joined under different ID just make the mistakes worst. If she really needs to speak up her minds, she should speak it up nicely.

 

[Ly&Pigs]

How many times do you need to be banned before you realize that you are not going to be allowed any more accounts here? We have ways to know that accounts come from the same computer or even different computers.

 

[Ly&Pigs]

There's no need to do that, joined under different ID just make the mistakes worst. If she really needs to speak up her minds, she should speak it up nicely.

We do not allow people to have multiple accounts for any reason. She was only caged, not banned to begin with. She could have still posted. She created another account to back herself up on the post. She made the mistake, not I. She did not follow the rules thus all of her names were banned. She keeps making new accounts but per our rules here, once your banned, you don't get a 2nd chance. We were burned too many times in the past by giving 2nd chances. Most people who rejoin only do so in an attempt to keep the arguments going or to flame or troll.

I agree that she would not have been caged nor banned has she behaved and played by the forum rules. There are a few posts on this thread that were not approved where she broke the rules. There are things that go on behind the scenes that members are not aware of.

 

[fridzalone]

We do not allow people to have multiple accounts for any reason. She was only caged, not banned to begin with. She could have still posted. She created another account to back herself up on the post. She made the mistake, not I. She did not follow the rules thus all of her names were banned. She keeps making new accounts but per our rules here, once your banned, you don't get a 2nd chance. We were burned too many times in the past by giving 2nd chances.

I agree that she would not have been caged nor banned has she behaved and played by the forum rules. There are a few posts on this thread that were not approved where she broke the rules. There are things that go on behind the scenes that members are not aware of.

When I said "there's no need to do that", the word goes to her. I think we had misunderstanding this thing.

 

[Ly&Pigs]

Sorry, it was a misunderstanding. You were quoting me so I thought you were referring to what I said.

 

[twiztedlilfae]

I love how she went through and gave all of us no thanks, i disagree. It is apparent that she has her mind made up and that her piggy is going to suffer because she's selfish.

If you're still browsing here OP, I have one thing to say, you may not want to hear about how other people's pigs have died, and you might want to believe that you'll be lucky and won't lose your pig due to your irresponsibility. But there are members here who can testify to the fact that you aren't always lucky. You might be lucky this time, but there is NO guarantee you will be the next time. Karma will eventually catch up with you. Life's a big gamble, even more so when you try to play God with another creatures life.

 

[fridzalone]

Sorry, it was a misunderstanding. You were quoting me so I thought you were referring to what I said.

No, its me who should say sorry for that

I love how she went through and gave all of us no thanks, i disagree. It is apparent that she has her mind made up and that her piggy is going to suffer because she's selfish.

She gave you all no thanks except me...lol

For the OP :
please take every advice in here thread and please think about them. Maybe not all of them said it nicely, but I believe everything they say is only for the good of your piggies. Those piggies are yours, so it's your choice to decide whats best for them. Those people here are only sharing their knowledge.

 

[CavyMama]

I love how she went through and gave all of us no thanks, i disagree. It is apparent that she has her mind made up and that her piggy is going to suffer because she's selfish.

I thought the same thing, twiztedlilfae! LOL I got the feeling they were doing it, not because they necessarily disagreed with what people were saying but simply because people were doing it to them.

It's sad, really. This person feels like they are perfectly alright breeding their pig and who suffers because of it? The poor sow who may or may not make it through the pregnancy and birth.

And let's say the poor critter does make it through okay, it will probably just give the person ammunition to try it again, thinking, "See? She's fine. What do those people know?"

And the saddest part of all is that it probably will take, the sow or one of the babies having complications with the pregnancy for the person to open their eyes about it.

::shaking head::