Tired of People...all of them.

[gooberific]

Why would a breeder give away a FREE pig? Isn't their objective to make money off breeding the pigs?

Some of the breeders out there only want "show-quality" pigs, and any litters that they have that may have been inbred to a certain point or their colors aren't perfect, they deem them "pet quality" and shove them out the door asap.

 

[Taboo]

Some of the breeders out there only want "show-quality" pigs, and any litters that they have that may have been inbred to a certain point or their colors aren't perfect, they deem them "pet quality" and shove them out the door asap.

So THAT'S why y'all are against showing! I never really thought about where teh show animals come from before.

 

[Henle15]

Not all breeders are breeding for money. Many don't make much money at all and acutally do it for the joy and show them. If the person is breeding for the joy of it, they are still taking homes away from others that have no homes. I think your situtation is different bennalaya, because if the person was acutally going to stop breeding and you know that for sure, you did the right thing because there aren't others that are waiting in line to be food like drawingword's situation.

Even when a person is giving them away and not making money, if you take the pigs from them, they will replace those with new ones. Some backyard breeders only breed to have babies and then get rid of the older ones. They seem to have a baby fetish and then discard the older ones.

As long as people keep breeding there will always be an overpopulation problem. As long as people keep "rescuing" from breeders, petstores, and backyard breeders, there will also always be an overpopulation problem.

Its a cycle that will never stop as long as the attitude is "its ok to take an animal from a breeder or petstore" "at least I helped that one" "I didn't give them any money so they are not profiting".

You have to at least understand where most of us are coming from and cannot fault us for posting what we do. I understand what you were trying to do, but it is no different than buying a pig because that person works with the same concept of I get rid of one and then I will replace that one and get rid of that one, and then the cycle continues forever until they cannot get rid of the piggies anymore.

Do you understand that rescues and shelters do NOT want to exist? We don't do it because we are looking to make money, we do it because otherwise those animals would die or live inhumanely. We are trying to run ourselves out of business, not stay in business.

 

[frashy]

I don't think business would be the technical term, considering in a business you actually make money (or so that's the objective). Shelters, it's purely spending money. Non-profit organizations are what they would be.

 

[Henle15]

Yes a rescue and/or shelter is a business. Its a non-profit business like you stated Frashy, but still a business.

You just can't make a profit is all and all money has to be used to help your rescue operations. The business model is just different than a normal for profit business you are thinking of.

 

[Bennalaya]

So THAT'S why y'all are against showing! I never really thought about where teh show animals come from before.

Well, that's usually not the only reason. Showing is also a part of networking for breeders to "show off their wares", so to speak. Animal shows do not benefit the animals. In fact, the types of conditions show quality animals are forced to endure to protect their "aesthetic value", are downright cruel. The incessant grooming, the constant crating, severe restriction of outdoor play time. For example, dog shows are a way for breeders to make their breeding dogs more profitable. The better the pedigree, the more trophies and blue ribbons, the more money the breeder can command for the pups.

Then, once they are no longer useful for breeding and showing, they are often euthanized as they no longer serve a purpose in the breeder's eyes. My sister is a veterinary technician and she has to deal with breeders and showers on a daily basis. She said about half of all breeders that have patients at her vet clinic request to euthanize "out of service" breeding/show dogs and cats.

It's exploitation and does nothing for the animals but condemn them to a life that is confined to being forced to "stay pretty" and continue to pop out litter after litter of expensive babies.

Do you understand that rescues and shelters do NOT want to exist? We don't do it because we are looking to make money, we do it because otherwise those animals would die or live inhumanely. We are trying to run ourselves out of business, not stay in business.

I just wanted to say that I truly appreciate all of the hard work that those of you here do who run a rescue. When I had my boars I adopted them from a rescue. She, sadly, is no longer living in this area or rescuing. But, when I went to her home to pick up my boys it amazed me. She and her family had selflessly put their comfort and the decorative appeal of their home on the back burner to make ample space for the multiple, large C&C cages where she housed her rescued cavies. She had three children, was pregnant with her fourth, worked a part-time job outside the home AND dedicated countless hours and dollars to rescuing cavies.

She did not profit monetarily from the rescue. The mere $20 adoption fee could not touch the amount of money she spent on supplies, cage bedding, water bottles, coroplast, food, veterinary care, etc.

There are many days I wish I had more space in my home, because my area desperately needs a Guinea Pig rescue.

 

[Bennalaya]

Edited: Double post. My apologies. Moderators, please feel free to delete this. I am merging this post with my previous one.

 

[AnimalHouse36]

Bananalaya I have one more thing to add:

Whe you bring a guinea pig to a shpw, its very loud and there are all those people. See it fromt he eyes a a small prey animal. How scary would that be? Also, whe you bring a guinea pig to a show it is pro to MANY dieseces. Other than that I think you covered it Bananalaya.

 

[PIGGYMAMMA495]

Okay. Let's first go back to the VERY first Post that drawingwords wrote:

I feel that basically what she was trying to vent out in the proper forum area in the kitchen was that she was sick of how cruel people can be...meaning exactly that breeder.
And I think it totally stinks and is unfair to people like drawing who try to do the right thing but looking online for a piggy then show up and they aren't really adopting out a piggy, they are breeders in sheeps clothes.

And to be very frank, I understand that everyone on here has made solid points on here stating that when you take a pig from a breeder all you are doing is opening up a spot for another pig to be bread and then take its spot.

Drawing is a newbie to guinea pigs and I am quite sure that when I got started I would have taken the piggy as well if I seen it in those conditions and still be mad about him breeding but feeling that I still saved that piggy in a way.

I do understand and thing that drawing understands that she could and should have went to a rescue and adopt, however thats what her intentions originally were. She said she had a odd feeling and thats why her post said she took someone with her. And if the guy wouldnt have said he had sliders and snakes, and just brought out piggies, I can honestly think that anyone of us would have been like NO THANKS, Stupid Breeder in disguise.
But sometimes you see a pig like that and sometimes I must say that your inner GpCages.com knowledge doesnt come out because you have a heart and your human and you hate to see ANY animal whether it be a guinea pig or dog suffer like that with a case of mites and be in crammed quarters in a drawer.

I must also say that we are all sharing something on here. WE are all learning from each other in every way possibble, while trying to make NEW friends and contacts. I think that drawingwords was expecting a more of a response like " OKay let's help you get this looser shut down somehow or scare him out of business" or something like that. Because this is a pro=rescue site and you guys seem so helpful and want to do everything to stop breeders. So that's really after reading everything what I think that she was hoping for as a response. Then after reading how people responded, just figured she doesnt want to make people go to bananas and just to try not to get to back into the subject again. But maybe we should be saying, Hey did you try this to shut his butt down? Or maybe if a few of us call him, or send letters it might help? What can we do to help with getting this wierdo stopped? Thats all I have to say about that .

Now also in resonse to the whole : "you as a adult should control what your kids watch on the internet or what ever people are posting"
Okay I have a son and a daughter. My son is to young to know what those images mean, However:
My daughter is old enough to know. No I never leave my child unmonitored on the internet alone, but we do enjoy to look at the piggy pictures on the forums and do a bit of research together on this site. This is the same little girl that read about how bad and dangerous it is for classroom pets, then came home and printed out a whole bunch of information and gave it to the assistant principle. Well this little girl has helped alot of animals in the future because there will never be a classroom pet at my kids school EVER.

Sorry I got off track...Now seeing as how we do go online together since we share a whole family joy with the guinea pigs meaning Our old man, me and daughter. Now let's say I stumble upon a video on here or a photo. I NEVER think twice about clicking and letting her see since she is on my lap half the time or next to me. Because this site is great at making sure it's all guinea pig related photos and videosl

However I must say when you view a lot of cute little clips and photos then you assume that they are all safe for kids. I know personally that if she was sitting on my lap when I watched the brightlion video she would have cried and worried for months and years. She is the type of kid that wants to save all her pennies and change she finds on the road and help one of the kids on those infomercials in Africa that are starving. So this would have messed with her on more than one level.

This video was a deffinate eye opener and made me see a whole different side to animals being put down. And to be honest that image of the dogs bodies stacked in those bins haunts me to this day. EWE , that should be illegal to house dead bodies like that.
But there honestly should be a thing that at least says, strong images of actual rescue cases and dogs being put down. Or something.

Now some kids might not be affected by that and it would be positive to show the side of what idiots do when they toss a animal, but its just a little worry some that one day while sitting here with her doing research, I could scar her.

Now of course as the movie progressed, I would have moved her to another room, but do you think that will stop her curiousity?
I think that makes it worse. I know personally if I tell her OH no you can't see this, and shoo her in another room. She wants to know why and what's in it that is so bad. But with everything this world is comming to being lawsuit happy that would worry me just a bit since we love this site so much.

And all it takes is one idiot to screw it up for everyone. Thats the case with all of life right.

I just really wish that we could just take the positives out of the posts and focus on how to educate drawing on how she can see thru information that we send her that, breeders will never stop until shut down, or show her information that will let her see in a unoffensive way that yes she shouldve went to a rescue, but for next time if there ever is a next time that she shouldnt stick around because she feels bad for a piggie. I think it's all a personal thing as to where you are at with your guinea pig life.

IF you are just starting out and new to it and havent seen alot of crap that the breeders do, you may just very well think that you are still doing the right thing by saving ANY animal. But if you have been reasearching piggies and had them for a while, you know the dangers and you know that you taking that piggy in just killed one in a shelter. But we have to inform people in a nice way or they won't listen to our information right?

Some people on here that I am reffering to, I have seen them post many a many times, and I can honestly say that almost most of their posts seem to be in a arrogant tone, or in a rude sick of all the questions sort of way.
I think we should try to be as nice as we can because you get more flies with honey than vinegar.
Group Hug Everyone :grouphug:

 

[Susan9608]

Some people on here that I am reffering to, I have seen them post many a many times, and I can honestly say that almost most of their posts seem to be in a arrogant tone, or in a rude sick of all the questions sort of way.

You know, quite a few people make this claim ... that some members are rude or mean ... so I would like to challenge you to provide me some concrete examples. Please private message me with quotes pulled from members who have posted in *this* thread, which are arrogant or rude.

Personally, I haven't found the replies rude, arrogant or offensive.

When you post on the internet, you're opening up your thoughts/remarks to a vast world of opinions from all different sorts of people. You simply cannot dictate the types of responses you want or how the discussion will go; you can't demand that everyone be "nice." If you want everyone to pat you on the back and agree with you (and I thought that there were an abundance of those types of posts in this thread - many more than I'd like to see, honestly), then you'd better be damn sure of your audience before you post.

But the original poster, DrawingWords, *knew* before posting that this audience wasn't likely to respond favorably to her post and her actions. I know this because she stated in numerous places things like, "I probably shouldn't have done this," and "everyone is going to jump on me," and "maybe that makes me a bad person, but I don't care." By posting what she did, but then adding in those types of statements, she's giving herself permission to be the victim when everyone then responds exactly as she knows they will ... which is why her post was emotionally manipulative.

Perhaps the best thing everyone could have done would have been to totally ignore her post and not have allowed themselves to be emotionally manipulated, rather than being drawn up into her drama ... drama all of her OWN creation. Because obviously she doesn't care that she has simply added to the problem. She knew what she was doing before she did it.

It's all well and good to claim you were thinking with your heart in any given situation, but where is your heart when you consider all the other animals that suffer because of that ONE action?

I just really wish that we could just take the positives out of the posts and focus on how to educate drawing on how she can see thru information that we send her that, breeders will never stop until shut down, or show her information that will let her see in a unoffensive way that yes she shouldve went to a rescue,

Here's the point you're not grasping - she was ALREADY educated before she went. But she chose to get her pig from a breeder anyways. And why? Because the pigs at the shelter were "mean," so she and her husband didn't want those pigs. And instead of turning around and leaving when they discovered this situation was a breeding situation and then waiting for a legitimate rescue, they chose to justify themselves by claiming it's a "rescue."

So whatever. How can you educate someone who's already been educated and CHOOSES to ignore the info?

I think we should try to be as nice as we can because you get more flies with honey than vinegar.

This is a serious forum with serious ideals and aims. CavySpirit sets the tone here. And given the fact that we are such an active forum, with so many members, I'd say our "vinegar" is attracting flies just fine.

 

[VoodooJoint]

How did you know I wasn't a 10 year-old girl. I think there should be a disclaimer on what you show because if I was sitting here with a child, I would have been livid watching that Brightlion video. There is no need to shove that in peoples faces.

It seems watching that video made you livid for all the wrong reasons. More rationalizing and misplacing of anger on your part. You needed to see it and anyone else stuck in your mindset also needs to see it. I even think children need to see it. It's all part of the attempt to get people to "Consider the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight". Don't be livid because I posted it. Be livid about the fact that a video like that had to be made because of man's greed, selfishness and inhumanity. http://www.brightlion.com/InHope/InHope_en.aspx

 

[PIGGYMAMMA495]

You know, quite a few people make this claim ... that some members are rude or mean ... so I would like to challenge you to provide me some concrete examples. Please private message me with quotes pulled from members who have posted in *this* thread, which are arrogant or rude.
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I think that everyone is human, I hope. And that sometimes when people type they do mean well and are typing in a happy tone. However everyone is different and reads and understands things differently. So just because someone types something does not mean that someone will not be offended by it or take it the wrong way. However this area that it is posted in is the Kitchen and it clearly states, if you cant take the heat get out the kitchen. So I think that it's good to have healthy debates. Its a good thing and you can learn alot at the same time.

Quote-If you want everyone to pat you on the back and agree with you (and I thought that there were an abundance of those types of posts in this thread - many more than I'd like to see, honestly), then you'd better be damn sure of your audience before you post.
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Are we allowed to use the D word in our posts? Im not being a smart pants but I just wondered. Because I said the A word in a post and got warned? I just wasnt sure what are the words we can use and cant?

Quote-But the original poster, DrawingWords, *knew* before posting that this audience wasn't likely to respond favorably to her post and her actions. I know this because she stated in numerous places things like, "I probably shouldn't have done this," and "everyone is going to jump on me," and "maybe that makes me a bad person, but I don't care." By posting what she did, but then adding in those types of statements, she's giving herself permission to be the victim when everyone then responds exactly as she knows they will ... which is why her post was emotionally manipulative.
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-Thank you for pointing that out. Some of us obviously did not look at it like that and thank you for typing that.

QUOTE-Here's the point you're not grasping - she was ALREADY educated before she went. But she chose to get her pig from a breeder anyways. And why? Because the pigs at the shelter were "mean," so she and her husband didn't want those pigs. And instead of turning around and leaving when they discovered this situation was a breeding situation and then waiting for a legitimate rescue, they chose to justify themselves by claiming it's a "rescue."
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- I didn't see or maybe I missed if she said the shelter pigs were "mean". That is something just rude to say about a shelter piggy who is in need. And usually they are mean due to the horrible life they were living in the home that surrendered them. Can you please post where it says that becuase I missed it and would love to read that. Thanks.

QUOTE-So whatever. How can you educate someone who's already been educated and CHOOSES to ignore the info?
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-All you can really do with anyone is continue to offer the information and hopefully someone realizes what they did wrong and accepts the information. I don't think that we should just stop educating someone becuase of it, sometimes it just takes a while to get it in their heads. Everyone is different. But as I said before, I've read quite a few posts of people taking piggies fom where ever because they couldnt stand the conditions they were in. And hopefully after more education they realize that yes they did just do the wrong thing, and thru education on the site and by posts and members they can learn more to not ever do it again. Just because someone ignores the info, that makes me even more determined to try to get them to see the point at hand. Just because a child ignores the teacher doesnt mean that she should give up on them, right? I just think sometimes you have to drill it into some people until the lightbulb does go off. And if it gets annoying to continually help someone with the same issues, Im sure there will be someone out there who wont mind helping.

QUOTE-his is a serious forum with serious ideals and aims. CavySpirit sets the tone here. And given the fact that we are such an active forum, with so many members, I'd say our "vinegar" is attracting flies just fine.

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-I never said that your VINEGAR isn't working, and actually I didnt say that this forum is compared to Vinegar. I just said you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I personally like this forum for its up front kind of attitude and how everyone tells it like it is. But there are some times where we can try to be nicer.

Yes, I know CavySpirit sets the tone here as it is her that created the site. And while on the subject I must say that she has done one heck of a job with this and it's a very big asset to me and other people with piggies. Yes there are a ton of members and its a very active forum, I just think we need to remember sometimes that those are actual humans behind the keyboard with feelings. Im not saying that all posts are mean or everyone is mean, but a few instances on a post or two could be worded differently. But as I stated above, this was posted in the KITCHEN and there is a clear message, that the debates will get heated in here so be prepared. I think it's interesting to learn different things thru debates and to also learn someones personality. SO I enjoy a good debate however I think I was a little mis understood a bit.

And maybe as you stated above its easier to just avoid or not respond to certain posts because its just drawing more attention to a negative subject. So I think from now on if we spot something that is questionable we should just not feed the trolls at all.:dontfeed:

 

[Metroid & Boo]

Are people really moaning about that video? So what if children watch it? Why can't they know about animal cruelty? It's real, it happens every single day. Maybe if they do watch the video, it will stop them from being tomorrow's breeders or change their minds about not wanting their pets anymore. Especially when the reason is simply because they are BORED of them:weepy:.

 

[krittercrazy]

Excuse me, that video only touches the suffering at shelters. I could find nothing in it that I would not allow a 5 year old to see. Perhaps the video should start out showing the pregnant animal giving birth with the family (young children to parents) all gathered around watching. Every one excited to see the miracle of birth! What a gift! How joyous! What a wonderful life lesson! Look at what a good mommy animal! You just don't get to see this every day! Ah, look! The babies are nursing! Every day, numerous times a day, mamma and babies are looked in on and exclaimed over.
Then as time goes by the miracle is common. Then the babies start eating on thier own, moving around, becoming independant. Momma is no longer cleaning up poo and pee from her babies. Now the human family is having to do more in the care of the offspring. Look, the babies got in the middle of their food and tracked it all thru the house. Now they have peed on the rug, the bed! What is that smell! Aww there is poop under the couch! The human kids have lost interest. Human parents are tired of having to clean up the mess. Food cost for the animals have increased. Now they are thinking how expensive it is going to be to bring all these animals to the vet. Imagine how many animals there will be when these babies have babies! Now instead of one animal to get spayed, there are many! Who has time for the training! All the people who wanted a baby when they were first born have faded away as if they never existed.
Now it is time to take them all to the local animal shelter. They will relieve the family of responsibility. That is what they are there for. Maybe they will find a home but most likely those horrible, mean shelter workers will kill the families "beloved pets"! But the human parents won't tell the human children or let them see what the final result was of that pregnancy. There is nothing good that they can learn from knowing and seeing the images shown in brightlion video. Do you not see a life lesson there as well?!
This is but one example.
The pitbull puppies in the video with the horrible skin. That looks like demodex mange. That is a direct result if breeding and neglect! Demodex mange is hereditary, passed on from mom to pups. It can easily be treated in the beginning (not cured) with ivermectin. Once it gets to the condition seen in the video there is also serious bacterial infection added in. You add their misfortune of having the PUBLIC label of being a untrustworthy, dangerous, vicious breed, what chance did those puppies have.
With the number of children taking part in breeding animals, why would we want to shield them from the results?

 

[PrayerWarrior]

Off topic, but quickly, I just watched the video for the first time, and it was not as gruesome as I thought it would be from reading these posts. If I saw it as a young child, it would not have caused as much damage as was stated.

It was a good video and should be seen by all people, children and adults alike.

 

[Susan9608]

Went to the SPCA and there were 2. Mean and a lot older than my husband wanted for the baby.

Direct quote from DrawingWord's first post in this thread. The shelter pigs were "mean." And too old.

And sometimes being "nice" backfires ... and makes people think that what they are doing is more acceptable that it actually is. It is much better, in my opinion, to take a firm stand on things and risk ruffling a few over-sensitive feathers than risk diluting (polluting?) a very serious message.

 

[Drawingwords]

There is too many statements for me to quote so I'm going to respond again, hoping that you can tell from my tone that I am trying to clarify everything because this has become a game of telephone that has gotten completely out of hand.

I posted this originally, as a "What would you do" with the intent of finding some ideas out basically on how to get this guy shut down. I probably didn't make my point clear in the first post because really, it was overwhelming. Also, I wanted to post that yes, I did bring one home, and didn't want to bring this into the introduction board because I did not want to post "Here's Leo," and have people being negative when I just wanted to introduce my new guy. So I'm explaining myself here.

We did go to the SPCA which, I might add, does not kill their guinea pigs (In my area anyway). I have not seen or heard of them doing so, in 8 years. The one has been there since February and is still there and one had got adopted the day before we went. There were two left. The attendant told me the one does not get along with any males definately. The other one she wasn't sure of. Now, I believe that I wrote that my husband said "Let's look somewhere else" because for one, I wasn't going to bring an animal into my home and put him with Peanut if he probably wasn't going to get along with him. Why would we get him a mate that could potentially fight. yes, any of them can fight but we knew for sure that the one had fought with every male in his cage. I'm not even going to speculate how they do introductions because I don't speculate. Also, my husband and I both wanted a younger companion for Peanut. I don't see a problem with that. The males there were near 3 or 4. Also, after losing one, I would rather have one that is younger and I am all about adopting senior pets.

...I hope I'm getting everything here because I'm really tired of the misinterpretation.

One of the statements someone misquoted was that I worked up front at a vet's office. No sir/mam. I worked both back and front and yes, I saw the puppies/kittens/guinea pigs, etc. that were brought in to be put to sleep that people couldn't take care of. I was the one that tried to give them options or comfort the kids crying because "thumper" wasn't moving because he ate something he shouldn't have. Also, I believe strongly in education so I was handing out pamphlets. I'm getting off track but yes, most of the cases I saw while working there were euthanisia cases. The bodies in a barrel photo-that's unsanitary and inhumane. You have to, by PA state law anyway, dispose of them in a safe manner. Not throw them in dumpsters and do whatever you please with them. My point was VOODOO, was that I have seen this with my own eyes and touched with my own hands. The video brought tears to my eyes but was nothing compared to touching, seeing, hearing everything in reality. After an animal is euthanized and the vet is crying and the techs gather around to give a hug is something that 99% of this board can not say they've experienced.

As for Leo, like I said, I did *NOT* go there knowing he was a breeder. I thought he was some guy trying to rehome their pet like any legitimate person. I also, for those of you who do not know, have epilepsy and it is not in my power to drive 2 hours to a rescue without proper accomidations. I didn't feel like throwing that out there at first because it wasn't important. That is another reason why I chose, yes, chose, not to drive 3 hours at first but to see if there were any ads or any in the shelters. My first stop and phone calls were for the SPCA. And for those who think they can go into Petfinder and type in my zip code and bring up 20 animals in need, Petfinder does not always update their adoptables. And the SPCA does a horrible job at sexing what they do have.

Nobody needs respond to this because really, I am trying to re-emphasize my original post and clarify some things. I really don't see how I was being manipulative at all because if that was the case then anyone who joins the forum and says (Hi, I'm new. I got Roger from a pet store "I know that's wrong now, after seeing this site, etc...) would be manipulative as well. i know the sites morals and ethics and *AGREE* with them. But... I don't agree with leaving an animal in a hostile situation knowing that it could become snake food and not doing anything about the other animals there. As Piggy said, about getting more flies with honey- if I walked into that house and started yelling at him, do you think he would have told me half of what he told me. No. I got information out of him that could be invaluable to anyone who does do a search of the home. I called the officer 3 times already and left messages but he has yet to call me back. So, any other suggestions? There isn't much left I can do. I even tried searching the USDA breeding lists to see if his name is on there (which is pretty hard seeing as though I only have a first name and city) but there were no matches. In a way, this is great because this guy doesn't have a license and can be shut down.

So, I did get some responses like "I would have walked away" and all that, which is great. That's commendable and you're a stronger person than I. I couldn't do that though. Hopefully, this will come to a close and he will be investigated. Also, like I said before, it's not just about the GP's. It's about the thousands of snakes he's probably already bred and are out living in people's backyards.

Any other questions or assumptions PM me before you go slamming.

P.S.- I did give him money. Wasn't much. I would have given anyone money too, including rescues, more than they would have asked. So before you say anything Prayer, it would have been just as bad if I took them for free. At least maybe the guy can spend that money on some food.

 

[Susan9608]

...I hope I'm getting everything here because I'm really tired of the misinterpretation.

Everything was misinterpreted because your most current post is almost entirely different than your first post.

What changed in between your first post and your last to make your experienc so dramatically different?

And coming to the site and saying, "I bought my pig at Petsmart before I knew better," and saying, "I got my pig from a backyard breeder. I know it's bad, and it may make me a bad person, but I don't care!" are totally different ... and that's where the emotional manipulation comes in. Which I've explained.

Oh well.

 

[PIGGYMAMMA495]

Direct quote from DrawingWord's first post in this thread. The shelter pigs were "mean." And too old.

And sometimes being "nice" backfires ... and makes people think that what they are doing is more acceptable that it actually is. It is much better, in my opinion, to take a firm stand on things and risk ruffling a few over-sensitive feathers than risk diluting (polluting?) a very serious message.

Thank-You Susan9608 for posting that for me, I honestly did not see that anywhere so thanks for posting it for me to see. Appreciate it.
Also I do see your point now on how being nice backfires. I must say I really like the way you described it to me and I deffiantly see everyones point on how Im just kind of wasting my time trying to be so dang nice and I should say something once and just get to the point instead of tippytoeing around the subjects. So I've grown a set of @$%^# and I will no longer be tippy toeing and just speak what I think and quit trying to go out of my way to be nice about it at times..LOL.. I just always worry about hurting someones feelings because thats just how I was brought up.


And to PRAYERWARRIOR- Yes you say you do not see anything wrong with the video. However I did post in detail about my childs situation and how she is a chronic worrier. She constantly asks me to look on the adoptables section and on petfinder to make sure there are no homeless piggies near us that need a home. I just believe that in my case the one image of the dead dog bodies in them barrels would hurt her. She has been fully explained about the dangers of breeding from myself and a fellow rescue friend who owns her own rescue to. I just was wondering if there was some type of way if there could be put that there is a warning of dogs being put to sleep or dead dogs or something like that. I understand that not everyone feels the way I do about that particular scene but I was just asking a simple question.
Im sure if anyone had a kid like mine they wouldnt allow her to see that part either.

And just to add my whole family loves to surf the site together and do research and look at the pictures. So anyways Im so over talking about this because no one has seen what I meant when I put what I put.

And as far as everything else Im just confused. Have a good day everyone~

 

[suzilovespiggie]

Ok, you say, you didn't know this guy was a breeder until you got there. At that point, knowing what breeders are and breeders do, did you not walk away? Then turned him in with all that he is doing?
If you did not like the pigs that were at the shelter at the time you went, why not put your name on a list with the shelter, so that when a younger pig comes in they can hold it for you?
You had all the education. You knew the right thing to do, that was to truly rescue not buy from a breeder. You chose to buy from a breeder bottom line. The bottom line is "When You Buy Shelter Animals Die".
This site and those on it are very passionate about this. We are trying to stop the cycle. When anyone who comes on here and knows the truth of things and goes against that truth, we are going to come off passionate.
That is what we are about and this site is about. The Big Picture. Plus the best care of our GP's.