Tired of People...all of them.

[frashy]

People that tick me off are the ones who complain about how shelters are terrible for not taking in EVERY animal, or how they don't have cozy kennels, not enough space to run and play, etc.

Um, hello, and what the hell are you doing to help? They are already doing a thousands times more than what you are willing to do. Shelters ARE non-profitable, meaning every cent put into helping those animals will not come back! Before you snap about a shelter, lets see YOU take in that dog they couldn't because there wasn't enough room.


(Not attacking people personally, because I'm sure everyone here hopefully has at least done/does something to help animals in some way)

 

[PIGGYMAMMA495]

Yes frashy..I totally cant agree with you more. I cannot stand anything more than someone downing a rescue or shelter because their quarters arent super duper perfect or they dont have a cuddle cup thats new inside it or they dont have this or that. I mean if they are a rescue thats reputable obviously they are feeding quality food, and giving the animals enrichment and love. Just becuase they dont have everything someone elses house has does not give people the right to down a rescue or a shelter.
For example the one lady in our town wants a dog. I first gave her my friends rescue name and number becuase she has all kinds of animals, however she decided to go to the local SPCA. Well Im all for that to, however I ask her how the search is going and if I can get her any other type of assistance, and she replies: No Jo, I dont think I want one of "their dogs". I can't believe that they have such little cages and no doggie beds or cute bows in thier hair. The people there have pink and blue hair and peircings all over thier face but were trying to look nice in scrubs."So I wont be getting one of those dogs.
I flipped out on her, and I dont care if she ever talks to me again. I told her that it's not the workers she is adopting into her home. And for all she knows those people with the crazy colors of hair and full of metal in their face can be one of the nicest people she has ever met in her life and could be a forever friend to her forever. Also I had to throw in that because some people who are able to donate money to them ("coughing and making a point to her") because they have more money then they know what to do with, don't and do not donate things for the animals, but sure will go and complain that they don't have this or that. She insists that they need to have cute little bows in their hair and cute collars and this and that if they are serious about adopting them out.
I told her that if she knows anything most places rely on donations and funding to do anything they can for the animals. And that if she is so upset about it then she should start to take a step in the right direction and donate and tell other people about them. It just really irratates me also that people are so particular about what a dog or animal in a shelter doesnt have, and yes, they should be focusing on what IT DOES NOT HAVE. WHich is a HOME, LOVE, Companionship, Care, and a Forever Friend/Family.
Okay my rant is over. Just thought I'd share when I read the post and wanted to put my two cents in. Although I think we sort of highjacked the thread a bit?:guilty:

 

[Henle15]

The only "safe" pig is a pig that is in a knowledgable, loving forever home! I have about 50 pigs right now in rescue and have to turn people down every day. Are those pigs "safe"? Yes the ones that are currently in my rescue are, but the ones I turn away are not.

If I had more room, time, and money, I would take more in. But then again I would eventually run out of that again and again. But I guess my thousands (yes MY thousands) of dollars are helping only "safe" pigs.

Try starting a rescue and I think you will "get" it. I am not complaining about running my rescue because I love it, but I don't understand why people think pigs in rescues are "safe"?!?!

I agree that pigs should be taken from shelters first because they are the ones in the most danger, but the next ones would be in rescues...not breeders. Please help stop this cycle!!

 

[Paula]

And you don't know me or where my heart is so I don't think anyone has the right to condone anyone.

If that's really how you feel, then why draw attention to yourself and your choices/actions with this pig by posting about it here?

You're not willing to do anything go get the guy shut down, or even possibly disrupted, so what did you think folks here could do?

Did you want a fight or were you hoping to change everything this forum and its members have come to believe and stand for?

Personally, I think all pigs (and all animals, for that matter) deserve the best home, they deserve to be loved and cherished and adored, to have quality food, excellent care, and assured safety. But, unfortunately, acquiring one from a breeder goes absolutely against that notion in every possible way. Sure, you've given a great home to your new little pig, and good for you on that. But you've opened up a slot for another pig (or pigs) to take his place at the breeder's, and possibly condemned another pig at a shelter to a death certainly not deserved by not adopting.

 

[PixieStix]

When I was calling around shelters out here looking for a male (before I realized that I was bringing home a female), I was talking to a place that had a male. I asked them what all information I'd need to bring with me to the shelter. She said, "Nothing, really. We're not as particular when adopting out these guys as we are with our dogs and cats." I was surprised by this. What makes one animal more important than another? I wouldn't even have had to fill out applications at this place.

This is pretty common of shelters, they are more dog and cat orientated. Some won't even take in smaller animals. Shelters aren't as familiar or knowledgeable with small animals as they are with dogs and cats, which is also why many of them aren't taken the best care of. If you do adopt from a shelter, you're still helping the pig, supporting the shelter, and not giving a cent to breeders.

 

[Drawingwords]

You're not willing to do anything go get the guy shut down, or even possibly disrupted, so what did you think folks here could do?

Did you want a fight or were you hoping to change everything this forum and its members have come to believe and stand for?

You're unbelievable. Maybe I didn't post it here but YES, I have called the cruelty department. I even spoke to my vet about it. They even agree that if he has proper licensure (which I doubt) or is skimming by the law in some way, it's a dead end. I called anyway. Don't make careless assumptions about people and what they do. Just because I don't post every thing I do here doesn't mean I didn't do it.

No, I wasn't looking for a fight at all. And I don't believe againstvwhat this forum stands in at all. Maybe it's the delivery people use sometimes. Where in my posts (without manipulating them) did I say that I agree with what this guy does. I, in my eyes, took an animal out of a very wrong situation. Maybe, one thing that differs is that I'm finding I'm not all about the "Greater good." Sorry, but I can't sit there and see animals being bred for snake food or whatever and knowing that there are possibly 600 snakes in a house with children. That's why I took the one, and called the SPCA. Unfortunately I can't take them all. They have yet to get back to me but that's about all I can do.

Like I said before, if it is wrong of me to have taken Leonidas and try to give him a great home, then I guess I'm wrong.

And whoever said I was manipulating everyone in my post...? How? I am stating what I did and telling you why I did it and accepting the consequences of my actions. I am taking him to the vet and I am taking care of him. I'm not dumping him saying "Oh my, he's sick please take care of him."

Again, what really frosts my cookies is that there are wolfs in sheeps clothing on here and I know it. I can't trust anyone anymore really with rescues because I keep hearing messed up things about some of them. Ever since joining forums, I find life to be very unsettling. It seems like the people that do the most preaching, without explaining themselves, and find it cool to show shocking videos when I already worked in a vet, UP FRONT, to see animals die, sometimes are the ones that frighten away people that want to do good.

And that's another thing. How did you know I wasn't a 10 year-old girl. I think there should be a disclaimer on what you show because if I was sitting here with a child, I would have been livid watching that Brightlion video. There is no need to shove that in peoples faces. The house that I got Leo from, wasn't much better than those videos probably. That is why I don't feel bad about taking him.

 

[PrayerWarrior]

Maybe I missed something, but I don't think my question ever got answered. Did you give this man money for the pig?

 

[Henle15]

If you don't post everything you did after many have told you what to do...then what are we supposed to think. Your posts made it sound like you took the pig and did nothing. SO therefore what are we supposed to do.

I don't understand your stance about rescues either. Although they are all not good or understand the role they play, many are great and you as a person need to check out the rescue and get referrals and references if needed. Hold them responsible and to a higher standard. You do that for every other service or place you shop right? You don't just go in and buy an item before checking it out to make sure it is safe and won't be harmful right? So why not ask questions of the rescues and make sure they are doing it for the right reason (helping animals) and not just for themselves.

I believe there is a disclaimer on here about having to be at least 13 to sign up here and only with parental permission.

I am glad that you tried to help, you need to post that to let everybody know so we don't keep telling you over and over.

Your attitude is beyond me, if you post something on here expect to get feedback and not all will be nice...welcome to the "real" world. Not everybody is nice and you won't get along with everybody on here or in life. I don't know what kind of world you thought you were living in, but some of it is not nice.

I hate to tell you, but working at a vet is not even close to the conditions you will see animals in if you work in a shelter or rescue. Especially if you worked in the front. I am not saying you didn't see your share of horrible things but try working at a kill shelter where they take every animal in. Then you can tell me how bad it is. I see sick, injured, mamed, and half alive animals day in and day out. Many of them owner surrenders and they think the animal is fine.

That is why the shocking videos and yes they do help. Please don't be one of those people that just look away and ignore the facts. That is why people don't understand why many people on here are so passionate about animals. Nobody listens until it happens to them anyway or they see the videos and it hits them!

Another point about the disclaimer thing. I am not a parent so I can't say, but my 10-year old child would not have access to the internet without my permision and only under supervision of what he/she can see. A 10 year old child should not have full access without supervison. That is why many children go missing and that is what child predators are counting on. Where are parents these days? and why aren't they doing their "job"?

I will end with this point. I am glad that you took that piggy out of the bad situation but with my experiences and knowledge I would guess that he will continue to do what he does if nothing is done about his horrible treatment of the animals he has. The point many people are trying to get across is that you took one pig and now he has others that are suffering, and now he will keep doing the same thing as long as people take them. Its basic economics. If the demand is there, he will keep the supply there too!

 

[kitkatherine]

You know, for all it's worth, I think you did the right thing.
You helped an animal that was in a bad situation and are helping it back to health? To me that seems pretty honorable.
And unfortunately, we do not have the animal laws to prevent that guy or any guy from what he is doing. And even though he was a breeder -you got him out of there before he got eaten or taken home by someone who may be awful to it.
It's hard to see the moral line here.
On one hand, buying a guinea pig or getting one from a breeder or pet store is bad because we are increasing sales and kind of encouraging it.
On the other hand, when you see a sick pig and know you can help it is it really better to just leave it there?
I feel awful when I visit pet smart (hey, we get our water bottles and stuff there) and I see those piggies. I want to take them all home because I know I could care for them more. I got my piggie from rescue because I knew those people didn't have room and they needed me more than a pet store did. The other piggie we got was a re-homed piggie who was bought at a show so I am betting he was probably bred at first - but I couldn't say no to a piggie who needed a home.
I am glad you did what you did. You helped a pig.
It just really sucks because we can't stop every person who is going to harm an animal as much as we try. I'm sorry too because there isn't much to do when what agencies can help either won't or can't really. I think you did what you could - and hopefully with some push or someone else eventually calling in something can be done.
I hope your piggie is doing well. I hope that guy stops doing what he is doing as well... but sigh. It's just sad because it always keeps happening.

 

[Paula]

You're unbelievable.

Funny, I think the same of you.

Where in my posts (without manipulating them) did I say that I agree with what this guy does.

The point here is that you don't have to agree with what a breeder does to support or enable him/her. Buying an animal from a breeder supports breeding. That is the point.

I, in my eyes, took an animal out of a very wrong situation.

Way to go. Truly. One question - When the breeder has another guinea pig (or pigs) to replace the one you took, are you going to run off and take those out of the same "very wrong situation"? And the time after that? If people would stop buying from them, they would really have no choice but to stop breeding them, which would help to stop their contribution to what is already an overwhelming overpopulation problem that results in the deaths of millions of animals.

Ever since joining forums, I find life to be very unsettling. It seems like the people that do the most preaching, without explaining themselves, and find it cool to show shocking videos when I already worked in a vet, UP FRONT, to see animals die, sometimes are the ones that frighten away people that want to do good.

You worked at a vet to see animals die?
I believe the point of posting the video (which I don't think was directed strictly at you) was so that maybe people get a small glimpse of what the true fate of some animals actually is. And that fate is the direct result of supporting breeders. And you are sparing yourself the sight and the thought of that if you are able to tell yourself you're helping one animal by taking it out of what was certainly a bad situation while refusing to acknowledge and completely ignoring the fact that doing so helps to pay for the breeder to just breed some more.

I think there should be a disclaimer on what you show because if I was sitting here with a child, I would have been livid watching that Brightlion video.

As the parent of a child, it's really your responsibility to make sure what he or she is watching isn't offensive or otherwise something you wouldn't want him or her to see.

There is no need to shove that in peoples faces.

You've made it clear that apparently, yes it is.

 

[Taboo]

It can be hard not to "rescue" an animal in a bad situation from a pet store or a breeder but at the end of the day, when you rescue an animal from a shelter or something you're going to feel alot better about it than supporting the breeder or petshop by buying them. And besides, most of the homeless animals found at shelters ARE animals from petshops.

However I think you did the right. I'd actually probably to the same thing. I mean, the thought of any animal getting fed to snakes is just awful. That's why I hate mammal eatting reptiles.

 

[AnimalHouse36]

It can be hard not to "rescue" an animal in a bad situation from a pet store or a breeder but at the end of the day, when you rescue an animal from a shelter or something you're going to feel alot better about it than supporting the breeder or petshop by buying them. And besides, most of the homeless animals found at shelters ARE animals from petshops.

However I think you did the right. I'd actually probably to the same thing. I mean, the thought of any animal getting fed to snakes is just awful. That's why I hate mammal eatting reptiles.

Yes, most of those animals came from petshops but atleast you don't support them! And, many times it may be hard to take away those animals but think of the big picture. Nad you shouldn't hate the animals, its nature. It's the dumb people who tamed them and forced them to live in cages and be fed animals, in a cruel inhumane way.:guilty:

 

[Susan9608]

I'm the one who said your post was emotionally manipulative ... and I still think it was/is.

It's manipulative, because you're trying to control the way people feel/react to it. You first tried to get people to tell you that you did the right thing, and to cover yourself if people weren't going to (which obviously, on an ardently pro-rescue forum, some people weren't), you wanted to have the satisfaction of saying "Well, I knew you all would jump all over me."

That's emotional manipulation at it's finest, if you ask me.

You saved one pig. BFD. By your own admission, there were many others there, just waiting to become snake food. You didn't save them or do anything to ensure their safety.

And, because you chose to take this one from this guy who breeds, those "mean" pigs from that shelter will either stay there or be put to sleep ... so maybe you sentenced one of them to death. And because you didn't take one of them, some other pig will be unable to escape a bad situation and get into that shelter ... or perhaps you sentenced that pig to death. Or perhaps because you took the easy way out and didn't keep looking for a rescue, some pig in a rescue didn't get adopted, and then that "mean" pig from the shelter couldn't get pulled from the shelter into the rescue to take the pig you adopted place ... and then some pig in a bad situation couldn't get into that shelter. So, in essence, you've perpetuated this vicious cycle.

But you refuse to acknowlege that.

And there's only too many people willing to pat you on the back for it.

So good job. I hope you feel really good about yourself.

 

[Taboo]

Just wanted to add; alot of times on craigslist I've seen "free to good home" guinea pigs and they might also end up as snake food if someone doesn't rescue them so really alot of pigs on craigslist end up as snake food so nstead of rescuing from that breeder you could've waited around untill there was a 'free to good home' guinea pig and saved that one. then you still would've saved a life that might've been snake food.

 

[Susan9608]

A lot of those "free to good home" ads come from backyard breeders. You do those people a favor by taking those animals off their hands.

The fact remains that you can't save every animal out there, and unfortunately, you have to be selective about the ones you do save in order to send a message and work for the greater good ... or else this is a problem that will NEVER go away and instead will get worse and worse. Turning a blind eye to it by saying, "oh sorry, but I'm not all about the greater good," is not the answer. It just dumps the problem on someone else.

This is the only way to make sure that ALL animals end up saved in the end.

 

[krittercrazy]

Yes, after I talked to him and as in the car I thought about calling the SPCA. And telling them what? That he is a breeder? It's wrong but it's not against the law. This guy has his butt covered because I told him the sliders were illegal a couple of years ago and then he brought up the recent laws. If he is breeding for a business and/or feeding them to snakes, then unfortunately there isn't much any of us can do. I'm realistic and as much as I'd love to have his place shut down, the animals weren't in bad conditions as far as PETA standards go.

If the conditions were not bad then what makes it a rescue? As you said breeding is not illegal. Not even breeding for snake food is illegal, though if he cared about his snakes he wouldn't be feeding them guinea pigs.

What can we do? Refuse to support them. Our actions can speak louder than words. Do not give them money, it only encourages them to breed more. After all if they can get one person to ignore thier values why not two or more. Don't take their rejects, paid for or free. It opens up more space to breed more.

Already knowing that he is a breeder, why put youself in a situation of feeling a need to "rescue". It is no doubt great for the one that you took. But what about all the others still there? What about the hundred snakes that are being breed, kept in small cages and fed an improper diet. What about the other animals that are being breed. Where are their rescuers and how will that make him stop breeding?

 

[Bennalaya]

Gosh. Reading this thread has made me second-guess my rescuing Abby. I never heard back from the rescue in my area. I received a phone call from a lady who is a contact person for the local small animal vet clinic. She gave me the number for a rescue in Myrtle Beach, SC. I'm agoraphobic and limited in the distance I am able to travel from home, so I didn't see that as an option.

Yes, Abby was taken from a man who bred guinea pigs (as well as mice and rats) for snake food. But he didn't receive one red cent from me and he informed me that he was no longer going to be breeding small animals for snake food. I got his last guinea pig and she is pregnant. His son took the male he bred her with when he moved out recently. One of the plus sides to this whole story is that my father works with the man I rescued Abby from, so I will know if he lied to me about ceasing to breed small animals for his snakes (because he's quite eager to share with his co-workers all of the aspects of his exotic reptiles).

I realize my decision did not benefit the rescue in South Carolina, but not all of us are physically able to make rescuing a cavy a weekend trip. My anxiety disorder does not permit me to do certain things. Traveling extensive distances is one of those things. As much as I hate it (as I would love to be able to rescue cavies who need a forever home, regardless of the distance) the fact remains that circumstances limit my abilities.

I didn't realize what I have done is wrong. I thought since he did not receive any sort of financial support from me and he didn't even want to use Abby's pups as feeder pigs, my rescuing her wasn't benefiting him at all. With the exception of taking an extra animal off his hands he didn't have the time to tend to properly.

 

[Taboo]

A lot of those "free to good home" ads come from backyard breeders. You do those people a favor by taking those animals off their hands.

Yeah but you can usually tell which are from people who 'just don't have time for them anymore' or 'my child lost interest' because they come with cage and supplies. Breeders give just the guinea pigs away.

 

[AnimalHouse36]

Sometimes breeders are cunning. They disguise themselves much like this person who sold to drawing words did. Sometimes they say found out its a boy, had an oops litter, ect. ect. There are a numbers of ways to disguise yourselves nowadays. Especialy with all the abandoned animals these day. Especialy the way the world is. I wouldn't be surprised if people just sat down and thought of ways to trick people who only want to do good.....sickening.....

 

[frashy]

Why would a breeder give away a FREE pig? Isn't their objective to make money off breeding the pigs?

Otherwise doing it just for "joy"? What joy is it to make a hassel out of caring for all the pigs/finding them homes?

Breeders make no sence.

Ohhh wait, I get it. I bet it's cases like expecting a litter of 2 or 3 and end up with 6 or 8.