Stones Stone removal surgery causing lots of blood in urine post op?

[Bestguineaintheworld]

My pride and joy gigi (spayed) who is 5-6 just had bladder stone removal surgery, before this she was peeing and straining to push which is why I though bladder stones. This all began this Monday the 20th and her surgery was Thursday 24th. The pee wasn't bloody though, only a tiny amount of blood was in one of her many pee spurts pre-op.

The day before I took her for her surgery appt she was not eating or drinking as much, and when I brought her for her surgery they didn't start until 3 pm, even though I brought her in at 7:30 am, meaning she hadn't eaten ANYTHING or drank anything that whole time. Then post op at 4pm they give us her right before they closed, now they didn't give us any meds to take home or anything just basic advice and care instructions and also to quarantine her for 14 days?

When we got home I thought she'd be starving or really thirsty but she wasn't, she sat in the corner of her crate and didn't move. I thought maybe she was groggy so I waited until a couple of hours passed to try giving her more fresh hay and even cucumber and water and NOTHING. She wouldn't eat drink pee or poop. I was freaking out but the vet was closed and the only other vet here didn't work out last time (long story short they killed our pet with high dosage meds). I live in a small town so vets are hard to come by, good ones even harder.

So eventually I forced water down with a syringe and thankfully she had that. She started eating again finally, and she had a bit of cucumber, hay and pellets, but she barely wants hay. She at least ate some pellets today. However, even though she finally started eating and drinking on her own, she's peeing SO MUCH LIGHT COLORED BLOOD. it's not from the suture, i made sure of that, it's 100% her pee. She had this before with a uti last nov but nothing like this. Did the vet fuck up and tear her urethra? Is it normal for bladder stone removal surgery to cause all their pee to be red/bloody? I only know its a lot because i had a white towel in there to see how the pee looked and 1/4 of the towel is splotted all over in red. She's still eating and drinking, and I gave her some antibiotics that I had from Mondays vet visit, do I need to have her checked for something else or is this normal?? I'd hate to stress her when she's so delicate and taking her back to the vet seems risky with her age and problems.

 

[bpatters]

Yes, you'll notice some reddish urine for a day or so. Unless you're seeing a lot of large clots or very red urine, I wouldn't worry. It should clear up in a day or so.

Sometimes bladder stones are actually attached to the bladder wall. Removing those causes more bleeding afterwards than removing stones that are freely moving in the bladder.

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

Yes, you'll notice some reddish urine for a day or so. Unless you're seeing a lot of large clots or very red urine, I wouldn't worry. It should clear up in a day or so.

Sometimes bladder stones are actually attached to the bladder wall. Removing those causes more bleeding afterwards than removing stones that are freely moving in the bladder.

Thank you for the reply, just woke up and saw there was poop and went to check it's consistency and it's so mushy and there's a stringy-clump of light red stuck to it is this a clot...?

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

One more question, is it alright to keep giving her antibiotics twice a day even though she hasn't eaten barely anything beside 3-4 bites of pellets? Or will it hurt her more by killing gut bacteria? Also should I just get critical care now and start force feeding to keep her gut health up? I'd hate to do this too late.

 

[Guinea Pig Papa]

If she hasn't been eating anything on her own, you MUST force feed her. If you don't have critical care get it ASAP. In the meantime you can make a slurry with her pellets by mixing them with hot water until its a consistency that can be administered via syringe.

She may also not be eating because of the antibiotics so again, she must be force fed. It is absolutely essential that food continues to move through her gut. You also have to force feed her water if she isn't drinking. There may still be time.

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

If she hasn't been eating anything on her own, you MUST force feed her. If you don't have critical care get it ASAP. In the meantime you can make a slurry with her pellets by mixing them with hot water until its a consistency that can be administered via syringe.

She may also not be eating because of the antibiotics so again, she must be force fed. It is absolutely essential that food continues to move through her gut. You also have to force feed her water if she isn't drinking. There may still be time.

About how many pellets to water ratio? and how many ml?

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

It's like she knew I was about to force feed her, she just started eating her pellets again on her own and just took some bites of hay . But I still want to know how to force feed in case she drops again or needs it.

 

[4boipigs]

You could follow Guinea Lynx's recommendations in the mean time - https://www.guinealynx.info/handfeeding.html

I prefer to call it syringe feeding or assist feeding rather than force feed. If your vet is open, you could call and ask if they have Critical Care or Emeraid.

 

[bpatters]

Well, it's force feeding if the pig won't cooperate, because the pig definitely HAS to eat.

@Bestguineaintheworld, the rule of thumb for hand feeding a pig is that it needs 100 cc. of Critical Care or pellet slurry for every 1000 grams that it weighs, every day, split into 6-8 feedings per day. If the pigs is eating some on its own or if it weighs less than 1000 grams, you can reduce that amount. Increase it if the pig weighs more than that.

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

Well, it's force feeding if the pig won't cooperate, because the pig definitely HAS to eat.

@Bestguineaintheworld, the rule of thumb for hand feeding a pig is that it needs 100 cc. of Critical Care or pellet slurry for every 1000 grams that it weighs, every day, split into 6-8 feedings per day. If the pigs is eating some on its own or if it weighs less than 1000 grams, you can reduce that amount. Increase it if the pig weighs more than that.

This is incredibly helpful thank you, I force fed a bit an hour ago because she hadn't eaten barely any of her pellets or hay when I woke up. I used Oxbow senior guinea pig pellets is this alright? Also I gave her a slice of green bell pepper and she thankfully wanted that after the force feed. My vets not open but I'm going to head to the other one that is open for the critical care as well as get her some vit C drops for the water. Since how she's not eating or drinking on her own would it be a good idea to bring her back to the vet on Monday? Is there anything they can do or is her not eating a normal part of post-op?

 

[bpatters]

It's a normal part of post-op. Just give her plenty of water and critical care. You'll want to aim for 10-20 cc of critical care per feeding, and 5-10 cc of water at the same time.

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

It's a normal part of post-op. Just give her plenty of water and critical care. You'll want to aim for 10-20 cc of critical care per feeding, and 5-10 cc of water at the same time.

Just came back from vet ER their small mammal doctor comes in at 7 am so I'm going back then. I'm almost 100% sure she's got gut stasis, as all symptoms line up (bruxing, soft poop, small poop/lack of poop, slightly bloated abdomen, depression, anorexia, grunting, hiding, heavy breathing) . She hasn't pooped today at all compared to yesterday which was 4 poops total. I'm keeping her hydrated and she thankfully is eating hay a lot more now compared to earlier but she needs Metoclopramide at this point I believe.

 

[Guinea Pig Papa]

Just came back from vet ER their small mammal doctor comes in at 7 am so I'm going back then. I'm almost 100% sure she's got gut stasis, as all symptoms line up (bruxing, soft poop, small poop/lack of poop, slightly bloated abdomen, depression, anorexia, grunting, hiding, heavy breathing) . She hasn't pooped today at all compared to yesterday which was 4 poops total. I'm keeping her hydrated and she thankfully is eating hay a lot more now compared to earlier but she needs Metoclopramide at this point I believe.

Im sorry I didn't reply after this morning, I had left for work and I work 12 hr shifts.

I was worried about gut stasis when you said she hadnt eaten anything on her own and she'd continued getting antibiotics.

You've been given the best advice possible here today. We are all hoping she pulls through. Please keep us updated.

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

She pooped again both were stuck to her butt but they have weird sacs on them(clear thing that is smeared was a sac in first pic) They're brown but look black in the pictures.

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

Just got back from the er vet i'm furious and confused and scared. They didn't take out any of her stones, the er vet took xrays and it shows the stones still in her and the big ones in her urethra. i'm so mad i want to kill her doctor. They cut my baby open and didn't fucking do anything, now she's been through HELL for F**** NOTHING! i'm sorry for the language I'm just so sad for my angel, she doesn't deserve this and now I don't know what to do. The er vet doesn't doesn't feel comfortable doing the surgery for the big stone in her urethra and asked we go to the other vet. The vet that worked on my daughter wanted to get to his vacation early so the monster slacked off, i pray he dies a slow death. My normal vet that I trust didn't work on her, which is why i'm upset as well on top of everything. They did some kind of hydration bubble? Not sure what it is but I'm sure you guys know. They gave her pain meds, and they think there could be a blockage in her abdomen as well, all of this from a surgery that didn't even get rid of the problem. The er vet also said that she didn't feel comfortable giving her Metoclopramide without an ultrasound to see if there was a blockage. I'm out of funds and have been dipping into savings for this, I don't want to put her through more agony but I'll get some money today to pay for an ultrasound. What do I even do now?? She has stones, a belly suture, and a blocked abdomen and I can't help my angel.. After we clear the blockage in her abdomen do we do another surgery right away??

 

[bpatters]

If there's a stone in her urethra, then she definitely needs surgery. It can completely block the flow of urine, which causes extreme pain, kidney damage, and possible death. And it needs to be done ASAP if she's stable enough to withstand it.

I'm so sorry this happened to her and to you. At the very least, I'd be reporting the vet who did the surgery to the state veterinary oversight board. And if I could scrape up the money, I'd be filing a lawsuit.

Where are you? City and state, not your address. We might be able to find you a competent vet.

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

If there's a stone in her urethra, then she definitely needs surgery. It can completely block the flow of urine, which causes extreme pain, kidney damage, and possible death. And it needs to be done ASAP if she's stable enough to withstand it.

I'm so sorry this happened to her and to you. At the very least, I'd be reporting the vet who did the surgery to the state veterinary oversight board. And if I could scrape up the money, I'd be filing a lawsuit.

Where are you? City and state, not your address. We might be able to find you a competent vet.

Thankfully she's still peeing but because it could lodge itself further I'm going to try and get her surgery again ASAP (calling this Monday) . The pain killers shes on have made her very groggy but she's been pooping a lot which is odd, i don't know if the stone was making her have so much pain that she couldn't poop or if it's the fluids she's getting. They aren't healthy either though, still tiny. I've never heard of the state veterinary oversight board, but I'll 100% find a way to report him.
The current vet I have is great but for some reason even though the office told me she was going to work on gigi and not this new guy, he somehow did? I live in Amarillo Texas and she's the top vet here, but I think she's placing too much trust in the new guy.

 

[bpatters]

Just don't let the one who operated the last time do it again! Good luck, and keep us posted.

 

[Bestguineaintheworld]

Okay first I judged the guy too early he was not at all responsible i fully regret what I said in anger and wish I could edit my cruel words. It was an older vet woman, the stone in her urethra is a good sized ball that was in her bladder in the first x ray when we found out originally, and the woman flushed her urethra even though she cut her open? She also said she did some kind of thing to her organs? Palpate? Unsure exactly but she wasn't supposed to do this I don't think and maybe this caused the inflamed organs?...She also didn't know guinea pigs need hay in their GI tracts so she's highly incompetent. I asked if the stone was attached to the wall and by flushing her instead of picking it out, wound up pushing it to her urethra. The other vet said this may be what happened. Also that there (according to the good vet) is no blockage and because she's pooping so much, the gut stasis can be mended at home (didn't give me exacts on how so and said the Metoclopramide would not be a good idea). They cut her urethra and pushed the stone out, she peed immediately after with blood and some speckles of stone I think. She got some pain killers for it as well. She keeps crying a LOT more than before and was pooping everytime, I'd say every..five minutes since we've gotten home? Maybe more? She's stopped now and is resting and breathing very hard. Should I wait to force feed or force water now? Since how she's been through
a lot and is in a lot of pain/drugged up? Or is giving her water right now vital? They didn't tell me just that she should do it on her own but I don't know if that's true bc of her pain levels now.

 

[bpatters]

Sorry I didn't see this earlier. How is she now?