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I really am very confused as to what is wrong with one of my guinea pigs and multiple vets have already looked at her(and they are vets who specialize in guinea pigs and small animals).

Here is what's been happening:

I got this guinea pig in October 2010 and in November 2010 I first noticed some blood in her urine. We took her to the vet. They checked for stones, nothing was found. They determined that she didn't have a urinary tract infection either. They recommended that we spay her due to it having a high chance of being a reproductive issue. She wasn't old enough for that though at the time so we had to bring her back later to get her spayed but before that we went through more of an elimination process. She was x-rayed(this was when they checked for stones), and she was also put on anti-biotics incase it was bacteria-related somehow.

Anyway after she was spayed(we spayed her in September 2011) we were told that she might still spot blood for a bit after the spay as her body and hormones adjusted.

She recovered just fine from the spay but to this very day she still spots blood on and off.

I really have no idea why. A little over a week ago we brought her back to the vet again about the bleeding issue. Nothing could be determined again(although we didn't have her x-rayed again because we had already done that months ago in the past) and because she acts totally normal. She runs around her cage, she popcorns, she acts really happy. So we were told to bring her back if her behaviour changes, not just if we still see blood.....because we have gone through a long process in trying to figure out what this is. The vets said that maybe it's the stump of the uterus sometimes still agitating her but that that won't show up on an x-ray unless it's really serious, or that it could be her bladder is sometimes inflamed/irritated.

She does always drink more than my other 2 guinea pigs combined and eats more....but that's just always how she has been so I don't know what to think of that.

I'm just really stressed not knowing what to do and wondering if she's suddenly just going to be dead one day. She is not very old, a bit under a year and a half.

I'm also just very scared because on Friday I had to put one of my other guinea pigs down(I had 3, I now have 2) and that guinea pig was not very much older than this one. What happened with that guinea pig is that I noticed she wasn't eating so much anymore and so I looked at her teeth and they looked out of line compared to how they normally are. So we took her in and found out that her back teeth were also a bit overgrown and poking her tongue and she had a sore in her mouth. So we had that all fixed and I thought she would soon start eating again, and she was not weak at the time. We got a critical care kit just incase she didn't start eating on her own again. She didn't start eating on her own again so we tried to feed her with the critical care kit but she would not eat anything, it would just sit in her mouth and she would spit a lot of it back out. She didn't seem interested in food and she lost a lot of weight in a short span of time so we brought her back and they checked her for other problems and turns out she had kidney disease and that it must have been genetic. She was so ill with the disease and had a tumor inside her and even if they did surgery which would cost thousands of dollars it was a 99% chance that she would still die and also put her through lots of stress in the process so we had to make the decision to put her down. :(

It's all just really stressing me out. I don't want another one of my guinea pigs to suddenly be dead so I wish I could know what is wrong with the other guinea pig. Is it possible that she also has kidney disease? My other guinea pig who was confirmed to have kidney disease never urinated blood though and there were never any signs until it was too late. She deteriorated extremely fast.

Thanks if anyone can help, I am so paranoid now.
 
I am very sorry you are going through this. I don't have any good advice for you, but I think you should also post this on Guinea Lynx and see what answers you get from them.
Hopefully someone else will chip in soon with some ideas.
Good luck with everything, and please keep us updated.
 
I am so sorry about losing your pig :( I lost mine on Monday so I definitely know how you feel.. I too went from 3 to 2.. :-/
But that is really bizarre.. I went through the same issue with mine sort of, she was pooping/peeing blood for about a week and was definitely in pain, so I took her to the vet and she was suspected of having either a Bladder Infection, Bladder Stones, or a Uterus Infection. I was told having an x-ray or a ultrasound would be able to veto the Stone or Uterus Infection but I never had it done because my vet was terrible and never did it... I know the Ultrasound was more expensive than the x-ray (for me, I was told it was $120) because it would have shown more clearly, so perhaps an Ultrasound instead of an xray if you decide to go back in?

But reading through I would tell you it was one of the 3 things my pig possibly had, but your vets already told you they aren't so I really have no clue... Maybe prowl the medical threads to read up on ANY illnesses people here have experienced and written about? you might be able to stumble upon something there.
Really sorry, at least she seems happy and healthy despite the blood. Best of luck to you and your pigs!
 
I am very sorry you are going through this. I don't have any good advice for you, but I think you should also post this on Guinea Lynx and see what answers you get from them.
Hopefully someone else will chip in soon with some ideas.
Good luck with everything, and please keep us updated.

Good idea I'll post there too to try to get as many responses as I can.

I am so sorry about losing your pig :( I lost mine on Monday so I definitely know how you feel.. I too went from 3 to 2.. :-/
But that is really bizarre.. I went through the same issue with mine sort of, she was pooping/peeing blood for about a week and was definitely in pain, so I took her to the vet and she was suspected of having either a Bladder Infection, Bladder Stones, or a Uterus Infection. I was told having an x-ray or a ultrasound would be able to veto the Stone or Uterus Infection but I never had it done because my vet was terrible and never did it... I know the Ultrasound was more expensive than the x-ray (for me, I was told it was $120) because it would have shown more clearly, so perhaps an Ultrasound instead of an xray if you decide to go back in?

But reading through I would tell you it was one of the 3 things my pig possibly had, but your vets already told you they aren't so I really have no clue... Maybe prowl the medical threads to read up on ANY illnesses people here have experienced and written about? you might be able to stumble upon something there.
Really sorry, at least she seems happy and healthy despite the blood. Best of luck to you and your pigs!

Sorry to hear that you recently lost a guinea pig too. :(

Anyway, there's another thing....my guinea pig that sometimes pees blood NEVER acts like she's in pain whenever it happens(and for the record she is a very vocal pig, more so than any I have ever owned...so you'd think she'd make some pain noises if it really did hurt her).

It's all just very strange considering that the first time there was blood was in November 2010 and over the months she has done it on and off and I don't know how it could go on without her being dead yet since it's apparently always very serious whenever guinea pigs pee blood and over all those times she's been to the vet a bunch of times and had various things ruled out here and there.

I am honestly wondering if it's possibly kidney disease, like my guinea pig who just died, even though the symptoms weren't the same.

I just really don't know. :( And it freaks me out. The not knowing is even worse than knowing what it is because it's the unknown....it's like I don't know if I'll wake up one day and she'll just be dead even though she's a little less than a year and a half old.
 
I'm sorry. Until you get some answers, just make sure you give her lots of love and attention. Keep researching and asking different vets and specialists.
 
I'm sorry about you other piggy, loosing them suddenly is difficult. However, unless they are related (and even then it might not be an issue) you likely need not be too worried your other piggy has a similar genetic issue. Considering the other had a tumor they'd likely have notice it by now as well if your girl had one, unless its very small, but it sounds like the symptomoloy is quite different. I'm not an expert but here are a few suggestions:

It may very well have been something to do with her being in season and spotting. Its odd she's continuing to spot after 5-6 months but I suppose depending on the surgery she might be having some sort of residual cycle. You say the spotting isn't constant. Have you tried tracking it and seeing if its got any sort of pattern? If so it's likely something hormonal and possibly still tied to her cycle. I'm not sure how the fixing was performed, but if her ovaries are left she'll still cycle her hormones normally and depending on the way the hysterectomy was performed she may be spotting still. The irritation of the stump also is possible. This'll likely be chronic but not a huge issue.

It may still be something related to stones, but not overt stones, such as bladder crystals. You'd likely be able to see that under microscope though. Apparently more vitamine C can help with that, as well as avoiding calcium rich or oxalate rich foods (though you'll still want to get adequate values).

Other options include infections that are not bacterial. Anti-biotics targeted at bacteria will not work on viruses or eukaryotic infections (such as fungus or parasites). I'm not sure if Encephalitozoon cuniculi causes spotting though it can damage the kidneys which I'd imagine could lead to spotting, but would likely resist your antibiotic being a fungi. If it wasn't sporing at the time it could be missed, but it generally isn't symptomatic in guinea pigs... If your piggy shows neurological issues (tilted head, weak back legs, trouble walking etc) definitely get it checked for E. cuniculi.The fact that you're seeing spotting rather than continuos dark urine makes it sound like its more on-off and likely not from the kidney's themselves in form of a kidney or blood disease. Spotting is normally more from irritation or something acute (uterine bleeding from the period, iritation, damage to the ureter and urethra from stones/crystal etc) and likely not processed blood coming from the kidneys (ie. blood leaking into the urine from issues in the kidney anatomy or damage to the kidneys which is resulting in continuous bleeding).

The piggy isn't showing obvious signs of distress and your vets do not seem especially concerned so it's likely not a pressing emergency (if a problem at all). Watch as your vet recommended of course (generally good advice). Ultimately reading how your piggy feels (behavior) and body condition (weighing her weekly) is probably your best way for determining how serious something is. Your other little one stopped eating, a sure sign of something wrong (and quite possibly resulting from the kidney problem rather than the teeth- if the kidneys were shutting down or she was simply feeling ill she may not have been hungry/wanting to eat so she'd not been chewing and her teeth were getting overgrown as a consequence- clipping the teeth then was just treating a symptom rather than a cause and why she didn't start to eat, I'm of course just working on speculation).

Again, sorry about your loss, hopefully your other girl isn't suffering from anything serious.
 
Are the pig that is currently having bloody urine related to the one who died of kidney disease? I'm sorry if you answered this and I've missed it, but has bloodwork been done on this pig recently?
 
As a RVT who treated a cat (which I know is not a guinea pig) with kidney disease everyday for four years, and also had a grandmother who died of the same disease, I'm quite familiar with the signs. Increased drinking can definitely be one of them. What happens with kidney disease is that the kidneys aren't functioning properly, so toxins build up in the body, which make you septic and feel nauseous and generally icky as hell, from the gunk in your bloodstream as well as the chronic dehydration. That can be later in the disease process, though, as you (and many mammals) can manage quite well with decreased kidney function, until you hit a certain point, after which maintaining quality of life can get very hard ): Increased drinking is definitely a sign, though. The cat I took care of drank practically 24/7, and that was with me giving subcutaneous fluids three times a week.

So, general signs to look for with kidney disease: Increased drinking, dehydration, decreased appetite, nausea, fatigue, increased urine output with pale/dilute urine or decreased urine output with dark urine, bloody urine, swelling (kidneys help remove excess water from the body, which can build up if kidneys don't work), ammonia breath.

If you can comfortably afford it, I would definitely recommend bloodwork. Have you submitted a urine sample yet? Is it possible to keep your cavie in an empty carrier or plastic tub for a few hours until it urinates? You can draw it up in a syringe (ask your vet for one) or just dump it into a clean container or baggie. It's also possible that there are stones that just aren't showing up on the x-ray. Not all stones are radiopaque, or there could just be so few stones that they aren't showing up. A urinalysis can be helpful if that's the case, as there are usually crystals in the urine that can tell what type of stones there are. It's also possible that she is passing crystals now and then, which just cause mild irritation and occasional bloody urine.

Some animals also get occasional idiopathic hematura, which is a fancy way of saying that now and then, they have bloody urine and no one bloody knows why!! :)

So yeah, cost wise I'd do a urine sample and bloodwork at the same time, as all of the labs I'm familiar with (I work at a veterinary lab, btw) will let a vet submit bloodwork with the urinalysis as an add-on, so it's cheaper overall.

Best of luck, and keep us updated!
 
It may very well have been something to do with her being in season and spotting.


Guinea pigs don't spot blood when they are in heat.

How experienced is your vet at reading xrays? It's possible that she has problems with sludge, or very small stones are being formed and then passed. I believe xrays will show sludge in the bladder.

I recommend posting this at www.guinealynx.info in the medical section. There are cases there of pigs who have cystitis.
 
Are the pig that is currently having bloody urine related to the one who died of kidney disease? I'm sorry if you answered this and I've missed it, but has bloodwork been done on this pig recently?

There's no reason for me to suspect that she would be related to the other one....I didn't get them at the same time or from the same location and they don't look like each other either.

Anyway, I've never had bloodwork done on this particular guinea pig.

As a RVT who treated a cat (which I know is not a guinea pig) with kidney disease everyday for four years, and also had a grandmother who died of the same disease, I'm quite familiar with the signs. Increased drinking can definitely be one of them. What happens with kidney disease is that the kidneys aren't functioning properly, so toxins build up in the body, which make you septic and feel nauseous and generally icky as hell, from the gunk in your bloodstream as well as the chronic dehydration. That can be later in the disease process, though, as you (and many mammals) can manage quite well with decreased kidney function, until you hit a certain point, after which maintaining quality of life can get very hard ): Increased drinking is definitely a sign, though. The cat I took care of drank practically 24/7, and that was with me giving subcutaneous fluids three times a week.

So, general signs to look for with kidney disease: Increased drinking, dehydration, decreased appetite, nausea, fatigue, increased urine output with pale/dilute urine or decreased urine output with dark urine, bloody urine, swelling (kidneys help remove excess water from the body, which can build up if kidneys don't work), ammonia breath.

If you can comfortably afford it, I would definitely recommend bloodwork. Have you submitted a urine sample yet? Is it possible to keep your cavie in an empty carrier or plastic tub for a few hours until it urinates? You can draw it up in a syringe (ask your vet for one) or just dump it into a clean container or baggie. It's also possible that there are stones that just aren't showing up on the x-ray. Not all stones are radiopaque, or there could just be so few stones that they aren't showing up. A urinalysis can be helpful if that's the case, as there are usually crystals in the urine that can tell what type of stones there are. It's also possible that she is passing crystals now and then, which just cause mild irritation and occasional bloody urine.

Some animals also get occasional idiopathic hematura, which is a fancy way of saying that now and then, they have bloody urine and no one bloody knows why!! :)

So yeah, cost wise I'd do a urine sample and bloodwork at the same time, as all of the labs I'm familiar with (I work at a veterinary lab, btw) will let a vet submit bloodwork with the urinalysis as an add-on, so it's cheaper overall.

Best of luck, and keep us updated!

Well she's always drank more water than my other guinea pigs. It hasn't increased recently or anything, she's just always drank more.

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Anyway, UPDATE:

I did take her to the vet on Monday. I did ask if maybe I should have bloodwork done or a urine culture. This guinea pig of mine flails and squeals a lot at the vets though and they said they'd probably have to sedate her in order to take the blood without hurting her and sedating always has a risk involved so it was suggested that as long as she acts normal and doesn't change, we shouldn't really need to have it done. With the urine thing there was no urine in her at the time and they would have to stick a needle directly into her bladder to try to get some.

I was afraid of hurting her when she acts pretty normal, so I didn't do these things. Especially because the vet said this time that it probably is cystitis and that I might be able to deal with it by taking certain things out of her diet.

I read up on it some places and apparently I shouldn't give her carrot or stuff like banana and strawberry(which I only ever gave in small amounts to begin with) but now I have removed them from her diet and haven't noticed blood since really in the last few days.

So I'm going to see how this goes for now.

Is there anything you guys can suggest that I feed her to replace the stuff she can no longer have? I still give her romaine lettuce, cilantro, cucumber, zucchini, and green bell pepper. Those are all the veggies/greens I still give her along with of course timothy hay, Oxbow pellets, and water.

I'll attach a few pictures of her.
 

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She's gorgeous. I'm very sorry for you recent loss as well. No matter what, she's lucky she has a cavymama who is so caring and vigilant.
 
I recommend going over to www.guinealynx.info and joining the forum. Or at least read the information people have posted on pigs with cystitis.
 
I would cut out the romaine lettuce. It can be a problem for some pigs. You can substitute green leaf lettuce. I am doing this as well as trying bottled water as our own well water is very hard. Please follow foggycreek's good advice and read up at guinealynx !
 
I hate to say that it sounds like a stone/stones, because I certainly don't know everything about stones. That being said, it took a whole year for my piggy's stone to be diagnosed. He was on antibiotics off and on (because it made the blood go away). He had 2 xrays with 2 different vets and both showed no stones, then finally (6 months since last xray) we took him to UC Davis ( we live nearby) and they found a large stone and removed it.

Unfortunately after only 6 months it has returned, and there is nothing left to do. He is on antibiotics for the infection stones cause and a small dose of pain meds to make him comfy, and he's doing really well. He won't live long, once we can't help him be pain free and happy, we will have to make the ultimate decision (which I don't want to think about right now).

Keep trying to find the answer, I will keep my fingers crossed for you that it's something treatable!
 
I just had to register myself and reply to this thread, since we have excactly the same problem! Our two piggies just turned 1 and Fio has been peeing blood every now and then for at least 5 months :(
We have taken her to different vets and last time couple months ago we had x-rays taken, investigation of an urine sample and ultrasound... And result was nothing. We have given her two different types of antibiotics, but they are no good.

Fio is very energic, eats and drinks well and has gained weight like a normal young piggie. But now we're starting to think that the blood is related to to pooping. She suddenly starts peeing blood, sometimes bright red or just pink - and after one or two days the urine is normal.

But today I heard little squeaks while she was pooping. The poopies were normal looking (sometimes they have been sticky or shapeless), but soon after that I noticed she was peeing blood again. But the peeing itself is always without visible pain or squeaking.

It's frustrating, not knowing the reason for sure. :/ i'm thinking about taking her to the vet again to see if there would be any news, but highly doubt it...
 
Have they take a urine sample to look for bacteria? Is the one with kidney disease related to this one? Cedar bedding and pine that has not been kiln dried contains aromatic oils that can cause kidney and liver damage. Have they come in contact with any toxins?
 
My piggy is having this SAME problem. She's only about 1 1/2 years old, acts/eats totally normal. Does not drink more than normal or act in pain when she pees. The blood come and goes. We did 2 rounds of antibiotics and the blood would celar up for a few days then come back each time. They did a urinalysis and found blood present and bacteria but not a significant amount (i.e. probably NOT a UTI). I just this week had an ultra sound done and they said there are no stones, and the kidneys look fine. She has some sediment but not an abnormal amount. I hadn't seen any blood for the last week or so then today after floor time I noticed a few spots on the towels when I cleaned up. So I have no idea?! It's very frustrating.

I'm going to look into more info about cystitis. Otherwise I'm not sure what to do. I do give her some of those tiny petite carrots every other day but I will cut those out for now and just keep a diary of when I notice the peeing. If anyone gets some answers please post!!!
 
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