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Vet Ovarian cancer in my 4 year old pig

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Anyway, for those who are interested. He is now an inpaitent and does have blockage, so he is being treated for that and on a different anti biotic. What has completely upset me though, is that the vet asked if I had gotten a new guinea pig recently from I pet store housed with a rabbit...I said yes in November and she said thats most likely the reason they all got sick. I feel like a horrible person, if I didn't buy that guinea pig...my family of older guinea pigs would be in perfect health right now :( and one would still be alive. And that's not something I would've ever done either, I'm anti pet stores...but I had a manic episode and was impulsive and because of that I feel like I've killed my own guinea pigs. I'm sorry everyone, I'm just distraught.

I believe the illness your vet is referring to is called Pasteurella multocida, which is transferable to Guinea pigs from rabbits. Your time frame of Nov 2012 to now (May 2013) does not add up to any medical information I have found on the illness. Usually the incubation period is 24 hours, meaning they would have shown illness pretty soon but sometimes it can not show up for up to 6 weeks, though from what I have read this is not the norm.

Health Canada has this to say on it (though mostly geared to human interactions with the illness): Pasteurella spp. - Pathogen Safety Data Sheets - Public Health Agency of Canada

Your guinea pigs need you, not us. My advice is the following:

Get a second opinion, doctors, even vets, are just educated guessers, the key is to fine one educated in guinea pigs so you can get a more accurate guess to what's wrong. The vet suggested that your pigs caught something over 6 months ago is a warning sign to me that they don't know much about guinea pigs, since, to my knowledge, there isn't anything that can stay incubated that long in their systems with out causing effects (minus cancer and tumors).

Hand feed your guinea pig, the lack of pooping scares me as a guinea pig owner.

Get yourself some probiotics. This will usually counter the effects of the antibiotics when it comes to digestive issues, which is the main issue when it comes to reactions. Loose poop, called Diarrhea, is a killer if you do not control it and stop it.

Here are some links I think you should read:
http://www.guinealynx.info/handfeeding.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/emergency.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/dangerous_medications.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/uri.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/antibiotics.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/probiotics.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/diarrhea.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/ovarian_cysts.html
 

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@canadiancomforts is correct. At the long end, pasturella would show up after 6 weeks which, from November, would have put you at mid-December or perhaps January, if the exposure was toward the end of November. Clearly it's well beyond that time frame.
 

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They've been on pro biotics since the start. I really think baytril doesn't sit well with them, since its happened to three of them (no poops, mucus) I told the vet but he did not stop the baytril...and I was so frazzled I didn't question him on it. I'm seeing a second opinion tomorrow. Hoping they'll be okay until then.

From reading those articles...I'm thinking maybe I should stop with the anti biotics for one of my pigs with the mucus poo. He's infection isn't as severe as the others but his poos are the worst.
 
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Sorry guys, I need to vent. Went to a guinea pig hospital today were they specialize and was told to stop all medications until the poo is better. I'm so conflicted because two of my guinea pigs almost died and the medication is the only thing that saved them.
 

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What is the name of this guinea pig hospital, maybe someone else can weigh in with their level of experience with the place.
 

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I called them and asked them not to do an x ray and if I can bring her home and they said the only way I can take her home is if they have proof I've made an appointment with another vet. I really would feel better with her at home too since they don't even have anyone there from 12am - 8 am whereas I stay up until 3 am with my pigs and they sleep in my room where its warm. But they keep telling me she NEEDS an oxygen tank...I have made an appointment with a specialist guinea pig vet for tommorow so hopefully the let me bring her home today.

And no they aren't 100% sure it's cancer, she wasn't an exotic vet....it was emergency, so just any vet on call.

I didn't see this earlier, but they have no right whatsoever to keep your guinea pig. You don't need to give them proof. She's your pig for pete's sake. I would never go back to this vet.
 

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I am getting very confused. Do your pigs still have the respiratory symptoms? Or just the poop issue?
 

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Hey guys, just giving an update. So yes, all my pigs had respiratory issues but also stopped pooping and eating completely regardless of the pro biotics. I took the specialist vets advice and took them all off anti biotics, she thought it was probably a viral infection so the anti biotics weren't actually helping them at all but doing the oppisote. She especially said the anti biotics they were on was a very high dose and would make their gut problems worse and the medication I got to help their guts actually wouldnt at all, its meant to help their appetite but thats it. It's been 3 days off the anti biotics and they are all pooping like very healthy pigs... Their respiratory issues have decreased by 80% (no runny noses or laboured breathing). Their is still sneezing but not as frequent. She just said to keep a very close eye on them and to keep them in a ventilated room at the same temperature which I have done. I am incredibly relieved even though I'm not 100% out of the woods yet but I really thought I was going to lose them all.

Oh and in terms of the possible ovarian cancer, I'm waiting until she is 100% and then tackling that.

Thank you everyone for any advice you gave to me. I'm so glad I went to see a second opinion or else I'm pretty sure they would be dead by now on those anti biotics. It feels like a miracle almost...
 

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I'm very curious about something. Your guinea pig that possibly has ovarian cancer - do you find that piggy has more of a runny nose than the others? Or worse symptoms in general? I hope your piggies are all feeling much better ... waiting anxiously for an update!
 

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She actually seems to be doing the best out of all of them, no runny nose and no sneezing anymore. It's interesting because my sister and mum said she's always had that lump since she was a few months old and the vet once thought she was pregnant and it turned out she wasn't...but it may be something different, I'm not sure...I will have it looked out soon. I took my oldest boy to the vet again today because he is taking the longest to recover (runny nose, watery eyes, faster breathing) but they just mentioned because of his age it may take him a while longer so hopefully that is the case because he did not do well on anti biotics. It's still quite stressfull everyday, monitoring them...making sure no one is getting worse but they seem to be out of the worst of it.
 

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Ovarian cancer is usually very quick-growing, and causes a lot of fluid to accumulate in the abdomen. If that's truly what your pig has, it would likely be dead by now. Ovarian cysts, not so much. They can be around for a while before causing any problems.

There is absolutely no connection between runny noses and abdominal growths.
 

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Just an update: They remaining four made it through, they are all okay. I'm thinking more and more my other guinea pig got a heart attack not because of her illness but because of stress...she was always a very frightered pig, so I'm never going to leave a pig over night at a hospital again, not worth it.

I haven't gotten the cyst/cancer checked out yet and I don't think I'm going too. The vet said since she is 4 and a 1/2, surgery wouldnt be a good idea and could hurt her more than help her. The golf ball size lump they are talking about she's had since she was about 5 months old...thats when the 1st vet noticed it and she's never shown signs of it being an issue. So hopefully she can live out the rest of her natural life without it becoming one.
 
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