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newcavymom

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Hello all!

I've been trying to find out as much as I can about guinea pig ownership...please orient me as to the following:
  • Do I need to create a separate "potty area"?
  • Can you train the pigs to "go" in that area?
  • What is the fastest bedding change/set-up option? (my pig will be in the classroom during the school year-4th grade students will be cleaning cage)
  • Most economical feed/treats?
  • Why do they need hay? (this might be a stupid question, but remember I'm very new at this)
Thanks to all who respond :)
 
Are you going to be taking the piggies home every weekend and night? And holidays/ vacations? Most rescuers are against classroom pets, but there are exceptions.

1) Most piggies choose a corner or two to go in, but sometimes leave stray poops. You can try litter training them. It's easier with some than others.

2) I use towels and fleece, or recommend carefresh. It is dusty sometimes though. If you don't mind laundry, you can do towels and fleece. How big is your cage? If you use carefresh, it'll cost more. Some people are allergic to certain litter and hay (and even piggies).

3) Pet store treats are not good for them. You can give them fresh veggies and small pieces of carrot or fruit. You need plain pellets too. Oxbow is very good. It isn't cheap though. The cheaper ones are usually pretty cruddy. You can buy in bulk to save money, but if you only have 2 pigs, it isn't recommended as they can get stale and the vitamin c de stabilizes over time.

4) They need hay because they're grazing animals. They need to be constantly chewing and eating. It is good for their teeth (because they are constantly growing and wear them down) and for their digestion. In males, it helps decrease impaction too.

Do you already have the piggies? If not, look for a local shelter on www.petfinder.org.
 
Yes, you can train piggies to use a litter pan but not all piggies will. It takes time and patience.
 
newcavymom said:
Hello all!

I've been trying to find out as much as I can about guinea pig ownership...please orient me as to the following:
  • Do I need to create a separate "potty area"?
  • Can you train the pigs to "go" in that area?
  • What is the fastest bedding change/set-up option? (my pig will be in the classroom during the school year-4th grade students will be cleaning cage)
  • Most economical feed/treats?
  • Why do they need hay? (this might be a stupid question, but remember I'm very new at this)
Thanks to all who respond :)
Hi Newcavymom!
I'll try to answer some of your questions as best I can.
1. Whether or not you create a potty area depends on what bedding you use. If you use carefresh (a paper-based litter product), aspen or kiln-dried pine bedding (PLEASE do not under any circumstances use regular pine or cedar, as the oils from the wood can give them fatal Upper Respiratory Infections as well as the possibility of liver failure.) then it won't matter if you "designate" an area-they will go potty indiscriminately. If you decide to use fleece or towel bedding, then you can find out if there is a corner they prefer to use to potty and fill a corner litter pan with carefresh or aspen and place it in that corner. They can be taught to pee there, but will still leave poops EVERYWHERE! (carefresh is easier to keep off the fleece than aspen.). -BUT- since this will be a class pet, I would reccomend a disposable bedding above fleece or towels. If you are interested, there are tons of threads in both Cavy Chat and Cage Chat/Bedding.
2. Kind of covered this already. Yes, you can teach them, to a certain extent. Many will be able to learn to pee in that pan, but will still leave poops everywhere. They can't help it. Just remember, if you are using carefresh, aspen, or kiln-dried pine, then it is really pointless to make a seperate litter pan. They will just use the bedding anywhere they feel like it. Just remember to spot clean the wet spots every day and do a full clean as often as possible (every 5 days-ish).
3. Probably the fastest would be a fleece pad bedding (usually a combination of newspaper under crib pads/incontinence (sp?) pads/puppy pads/towels/ under polar fleece. However, you would have to change this every 2-4 days, and would have to carry stinky fleece home and have several changes prepared. The best option in your situation would probably be aspen, as it is less costly than carefresh. Kiln dried pine is more absorbant and a tad less messy than aspen, but can be expensive and difficult to find. Regular Pine can be used if you place it in a large open container to air out for a few days until there is no "piney" smell, PRIOR to using it in the cage. Less convenient, but also less expensive than aspen.
4. "Economical" is not as important as nutritional when it comes to feed. Make sure they are getting "the best of the best" to ensure proper nutrition and prevent illness- cavies hide illness very well, and all too often, once an illness is noticed, it is too late. You will need a plain timothy-hay based pellet to feed your pig daily. An excellent choice is the one made by oxbow, found at (broken link removed) . Any sort of seed-pellet mixes shoud NOT be given to cavies as they are too fatty and actually risk choking the pigs. Also, you will need to feed your pig 1 cup of veggies per day. Pigs cannot manufacture their own vitamin C, and require a daily supplement of 10-30 miligrams per day. Good choices are any lettuce except iceberg, cilantro, bell peppers (non-spicy), cucumber, celery (cut up into small pieces) and celery leaves, dandilion greens, etc. Feed foods like carrots and apples sparingly (one baby carrot 2-3 times a week) as they can cause mouth sores. Also, fruits are high in sugar content and should be fed as a treat, and not as a staple, as it is difficult for the pigs to digest sugars. Veggies high in calcium (like spinnach, parsley, etc) as they can cause bladder stones. Foods like cabbage, broccoli, and cauliflower can cause gas. Here is a link to a veggie chart (scroll down) and info on what and why to feed: https://www.guinealynx.com/nutrition.html#lists .
Store-bought treats are a big no-no, as they are fatty, lack nutrition, and unneccessary to your pigs diet. Let veggies and fruits act as these treats! Don't forget fresh unlimited WATER!
Also, your pig will need UNLIMITED amounts of a grass hay, such as timothy hay or bluegrass hay (also readily available from oxbow), or if they are under 4 months old, alfalfa hay. Which leads us into our next question...
5. Pigs need hay (unlimited amounts:)
-to keep fibre in their diet and prevent loose stools
-to help grind down their molars (pigs teeth are constantly growing and must be worn down in order to preven mallocusion, or overgrown teeth, preventing them from eating, and requiring immediate veteranary care to trim the teeth, or else they will become "anorexic" and can easily die.

Make sure you have a wooden house in the cage as well for the pig to chew on so they can keep their teeth properly trimmed. Also, you may want to seriously consider constructing a C&C cage of at least 2x3, properly 'kidproofed' (i.e. with a lid that can be secured shut to keep the kids from handling the pigs unsupervised and improperly.) They are VERY inexpensive (about $30) and will make your pig enourmously happy! If at all avoidable, do NOT buy a pet store cage as they are too small and will make your pig nervous, especially considering he/she will be around so many people ALL the time. They need their own space and plenty of places to hide if threatened.

Also, you may want to consider two pigs, either a same sex pair, or a neutered male with a female as pigs are herd animals and do better in pairs or herds (never have more than one male with 2+females as they will fight over them). If you do decide to do this, please read CavySpirit's page on introductions; you cannot just "plop" a new pig into an existing pig's cage...believe me it's not pretty T_T... https://www.cavyspirit.com/sociallife.htm (scroll down about half way for introductions, but I would read the whole thing :O)

Have a good EXOTICS vet lined up, as illness can come at any time. Be prepared to have this precious pig for at least 5-7 years, and do your best to adopt rather than buy.

Hope that's everything, good luck and welcome to the forum!!!
 
Oh boy that was longer than I expected...

I guess I got carried away...sorry!!
 
Wow! Thank you, Miko. To respond to rabbitsncavyluv, I will take the piggie home each weekend, and of course holidays. Don't have the piggie yet, but a student from last year is giving me one of his babies.

I intend to build a 2x4 c&c cage for the classroom and my house. Got a great deal on the coroplast and I'm getting the grids tomorrow. So glad I found this site before wasting my money on those teeny, sad little houses they sell in the pet stores. I'm going to be able to build 2 houses for under $60!!

The kindergarten teacher in my school has pigs in her room and uses a recycled paper bedding with aspen and newspaper. Anyone use this stuff before? It is called cell-sorb.

One more question...If my student is able to give me 2 piggies, should I start out with one to get my feet wet, or dive in and get 2?
 
Two is deffinatly easier than getting one and adding another, I wish I knew that when I started.
 
No problem, hey, I thought I was just going to turn you off pigs for good! (kidding!)
Glad to hear you are building such a big cage for the piggers, they will be really happy! I can't really help you on cellsorb, it sounds familiar but I can't remember whether I've heard good or bad things about it o_O. Maybe try searching the forum for it or typing the name into google and see what you come up with.
I would go ahead and get both together, especially if they are young. There can be advantages and disadvantages, especially if they are young. Growing up together might make things easier, and if they were born in the same litter, then it should eliminate the need to quarantine (anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong...). If you get one pig now then wait to introduce a new one, you will need to quarantine the new one for 2-3 weeks in a seperate room to make sure they are not ill. Then, it is a matter of matching personalities and taking the risk the two may not get along. This can be a reality, for boys and girls, but most will be happy just to have a pal.
If you do get two right away, just remember that around 8 monts the pigs will go through "piggy puberty" and may fight more than usual as they attempt to decide the pecking order of the pair. The link I gave you to cavy spirit's introductions shows "normal" behaviour and aggressive behaviour. In the end, though, they really are happier in groups, and if you can bring them up together from the start, it makes your job that much easier as introductions later on have the potential to be lengthy processes (although pigs may take to each other right away, it's really a craps shoot!).

Just make sure the piggies REALLY ARE the same sex!! Here is a link to CavySpirit's page on sexing pigs (This can be done within a week of birth I *believe*, again, anyone correct me??) https://www.cavyspirit.com/sexing.htm .

Good luck! And post pictures when you get your new friends!
 
Wow newcavymom that is awsome that you are building a C&c cage for at home and at school! I would answer your questions but it looks like Miko answered all of them for me. Good luck, PooH
 
Looks like I'll be picking up 2 piggies from my student today. Should I get two males or two females (or does it matter)?

I'm in the midst of building the cage, i'll post pics when all is complete with piggies :)

Thanks again for all the help!
 
It doesn't matter at all, whichever you prefer
 
I would Suggest females. They are most of the time smaller and get along better. No always but moslty.
 
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