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[Adorable]

but I truly think sometimes it does more harm than good.

I wholeheartedly agree but I think you can still be blatant and straightforward without telling people to take a hike or keep their mouth shut.

If these things are never spoken about and discussed openly, how is the person who signs up tomorrow going to learn? What about the guest reading now that sees certain things they may not fully understand off limits? Will they take the plunge or move on to a site where they feel more accepted but get really bad advice about GP care?

Isn’t wanting the best for GPs what this is all about? Sort of like at your job, sometimes there’s a certain amount of crap you have to put up with to accomplish the goal. That doesn’t mean you have to be “accepting” but you can (and should) occasionally tolerate a little bit of BS for the greater good.

Carry on though, because I have no horse in this race.

 

[BubuCandyBlue]

Really if you believe this rules should be followed so closely why is it that they are NOT there why you go to register? Instead hidden away?


I did not in any way whine about any rules. I pointed out to you that I did not break any registry rules. If you plan on having these rules followed so closely then why is it that they are not in the registry rules?

Don't put words into my mouth about what I believe or not.

All I am saying is that you are welcomed on the forum, but if you don't like the rules, just get your info about proper care for your piggies and that's it. Do not start an argument about what the founder of the forum stands for. You are free to go on other forums that share your believes if you don't accept this forum and post within its guideline.
You might know also that breeders are welcomed too here, as long as they stay in the shadow of course and don't show off (it is an anti-breeding forum after all and all the bad results the action brings, still not an anti-breeder forum, as a person I mean), but learn what they need to know, and that's it.

As far as where the rules are or not, you are questioning the wrong person darling.

 

[AnimalHouse36]

She has taken them to the vet, she would pay the money for a cab.

So go adopt. Do the right thing and open up room for more pigs to bo saved. Don't try to justify what your doing because there is no justifying. Your sentencing pigs to either death, or a mother to risk her life again. Thats the ONLY thing your doing.

 

[purple_kiwi]

So go adopt. Do the right thing and open up room for more pigs to bo saved. Don't try to justify what your doing because there is no justifying. Your sentencing pigs to either death, or a mother to risk her life again. Thats the ONLY thing your doing.

so if you beleive this so strongly is it right for this guinea pig to be left with the breeder? and be forced to breed?

you are so agianst the breeder it self you are not taking the time to think what should happen the the guinea pigs.

and of all the bashing and critizing the care i give my guinea pigs you have not answered one question i have asked back. WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THIS GUINEA PIG? Maybe IF you can answer that question i would have listened to you better and not freak out so much but until you can give me a good answer I intend to give her a good home.

Also when i first posted this i only intend to just say i was getting a cage mate for my female I DID not say "so what is your opinion on breeders?" So you DID not have to sit there and waste your time trying to tell me all that you have.

 

[AnimalHouse36]

so if you beleive this so strongly is it right for this guinea pig to be left with the breeder? and be forced to breed?

It's not right per say. But it's what should be done.

and of all the bashing and critizing the care i give my guinea pigs you have not answered one question i have asked back. WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THIS GUINEA PIG?

Okay. I'll give you the cold hard truth. She'll probably be forced to breed just like her mother. But you'd be helping all future guinea pigs. She won't make a profit and that guinea pig will take up more room. If nobody buys from her (it's a long shot), she'll stop.

And, when you dopt a piggie instead, you'll open up more room for another piggie to be rescued.

Maybe IF you can answer that question i would have listened to you better and not freak out so much but until you can give me a good answer I intend to give her a good home.

Tell me, whats a good answer to you? One that's sugar coated and a load of bull? As hard as the truth is, it's the truth. You just have to live with it.

 

[rabbitsncavyluv]

Are you going to buy out this breeder then, if you really want to 'save' them all? Taking one guinea pig from her isn't going to change anything. She's just going to breed more to replace her.

Why can't you wait until one shows up in the shelter or on craigs list?

Buying one guinea pig from her isn't going to make a dent in what she is doing but you will be making a difference if you rescue on from elsewhere.

 

[5guinea5pig5]

because i did not follow your rules



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Wow.....
You could save all those pigs from the breeder if they have no water or food(there are some others I think) by calling the cops. That would save them all instead of the one who could be replaced with up to 8 pigs. Also there are many pigs in shelters who came from breeders.
Wikipedia is a HORRIBLE place to get information. Anybody can post on there. A 19 year old or a drunk 87 year old could have written that. Have you read OUR definition of a troll. It's a person who joins a forum to cause trouble. And look! You're causing trouble.

 

[Ly&Pigs]

Again, it's not for the MEMBERS to decide if anyone is a troll. It's for us mods to decide. I don't want to see anymore troll talk on this thread. I'm unapproving or editing all the "troll" talk posts in this thread.

i was going to buy a cage. i was selling my own PSP to pay for a cage from here. but now im not going to because of how insulted i feel and i hope that how ever owns this site sees this and relises that it is losing customers because of this.

The forum in no way benefits from the sales of Sue's cages. So whether you buy a cage or not, it doesn't in any way affect the forum, it just takes away a potential sale of a cage from a forum member.

 

[purple_kiwi]

Again, it's not for the MEMBERS to decide if anyone is a troll. It's for us mods to decide. I don't want to see anymore troll talk on this thread. I'm unapproving or editing all the "troll" talk posts in this thread.

The forum in no way benefits from the sales of Sue's cages. So whether you buy a cage or not, it doesn't in any way affect the forum, it just takes away a potential sale of a cage from a forum member.

Well then stop the members of this site from harassing others because of one choice.

JUST because YOU have certain definition of a TROLL does not mean anything. On the internet a troll is a what I had said it was. It is not what you define it as. If you decide to use the internet use it properly and learn the proper definitions don't go around making your own up.


I did not kill a bunch of guinea pigs by buying this one. I had looked for weeks and found none to adopt, I believe that getting this one it is having one less breeding and dying. INSTEAD of going by your standards and leaving it there to breed and die.

Also if you are so against breeding why do you even have a guinea pig? or why do you even have dogs or cats? animals were taken out of the wild originally and breed by BREEDERS to relay on us. So no matter what you do just by owning an animal you have supported that foundation, that is unless you plan to go out and tame a wild guinea pig? which you wouldn't because that is wrong right? Because you have taken a wild animal which could bite you and give you diseases out of the wild and tried to tame it.

 

[rabbitsncavyluv]

Not really. She is just going to breed more to replace her. You haven't answered whether or not you are going to buy those too? Or all of them to 'save them?'

There is a pet overpopulation problem, that was not created by people like me. When there are no more homeless animals, then maybe we can have the breeder discussion.

 

[purple_kiwi]

Not really. She is just going to breed more to replace her. You haven't answered whether or not you are going to buy those too? Or all of them to 'save them?'

There is a pet overpopulation problem, that was not created by people like me. When there are no more homeless animals, then maybe we can have the breeder discussion.

No me buying that would fund her one buying twice as much as you would believe? You may think all I did was open up more room for her to get more guinea pigs but in the end I keep one guinea pig from breeding which I think is a good thing.

Also you people stereotype so much. Just because she is a breeder does not mean she does not care for her animals. She had quizzed me and asked me the size of cage I was using and many more things.

There would be no pet over population problem if people had not wanted to own pets. You happen to own/wanted to own a pet this causing the over population. To get your one guinea pig it had to born and in that litter there could be more then one do you know what happens to the rest of the litter? Where did you guinea pig originally come from or where did its parents come from? It is all from a breeder originally so no matter what it is supporting a breeder. Just because about a 100 people on this website do not buy from them it will not make the business die out. Some places eat guinea pigs should they stop breeding and starve. It is wrong but they will not stop because they don't have to.

 

[rabbitsncavyluv]

My guinea pigs were all unwanted and adopted from shelters (4 of them right before they were going to be euthanized), so how did I add to the problem?

Your breeder friend is the one who is adding to it. And you're contradicting yourself. If she is a great breeder , then why are you "saving" this pig from being bred if that's such a bad thing?

And she may not breed that pig, but she'll just breed the mom or its sister instead since she needs more babies to replace that one.

 

[purple_kiwi]

My guinea pigs were all unwanted and adopted from shelters (4 of them right before they were going to be euthanized), so how did I add to the problem?

Your breeder friend is the one who is adding to it. And you're contradicting yourself. If she is a great breeder , then why are you "saving" this pig from being bred if that's such a bad thing?

And she may not breed that pig, but she'll just breed the mom or its sister instead since she needs more babies to replace that one.

I did not say she was a "great breeder" I said she takes care of her pets as in feeds them proper food and water, where you all seem to have this messed up idea that because she is a breeder she doesn't feed them or give them water.

You may have not added directly to the problem but any human who has ever wanted a pet and has bought one has contributed to the problem. Because in order to obtain that pet it had to be breed. Any one around you who has bought a pet in there life even a fish has contributed to it. It is humans fault that people are breeders. Breeders are only trying to meet the demands of the public. If no one ever wanted a pet there wouldn't be any demand for them so there would be no breeding. And even if you do adopt breeders don't think "oh they adopted they will never buy my guinea pig" they will think "oh that person has guinea pigs" because they do not know that you had adopted unless you openly advertise to them like yell it out or what ever but if you don't they only you see you as another person with a guinea pig and to them that is a increase in demand because they see people with guinea pigs and think they will be able to have business they do not care if you adopted.

Sure me getting this guinea pig may drive the demand slightly higher but it would also keep one guinea pig from reproducing.


And if you even took the time to stand back and think in a mathematical way you would see me getting her and keeping her from being breed which is making less guinea pigs. Because of her not getting breed there could be what 10+ less guinea pigs this breeder could ever produce. She may fill the spot with another sister but she could have used both sisters to have guinea pigs which would end up with maybe 20+ more guinea pigs.

 

[guineapigluver1]

We don't have a messed up idea that she doesn't give them food or water. There are some breeders out there that take proper care of them. Does that make it right? No. She is taking away homes with every guinea pig she breeds, that so many guinea pigs desperately need that are in shelters and rescues. And a lot if them die because of this. When it could have been prevented by just not breeding. Same with cats, dogs, and any other animal.
It frustrates me to no end when people don't see this.

 

[BubuCandyBlue]

There is a pet overpopulation problem, that was not created by people like me. When there are no more homeless animals, then maybe we can have the breeder discussion.

Ditto.
Purple_kiwi, this is why we are against it. There are too many out there, and till we have this overpopulation problem of piggies in rescues/shelters, we will be against breeding them. You contribute to that demand of breeding, and just like you, there are many other persons out there who will do the same. If people will adopt from the overpopulated piggies (in shelters/rescues) and the breeder will have no more demands, he/she will stop breeding. One person counts, because it can help another one to be aware of this problem, and another one, and so on. It will not happen over night, but we need to let them know of this problem, and make a difference in time.

 

[purple_kiwi]

Wow.....
You could save all those pigs from the breeder if they have no water or food(there are some others I think) by calling the cops.

Really you don't? This post proves what I am saying.

I am not saying breeders are good I am just saying that you do not seem to understand because even if you adopt or show just an interest in guinea pigs to a breeder YOU are just another potential customer. There are billions of other people in this world just because there is guinea pigs needing rescue they will not satisfy the population. I may have contributed to the demand but I also STOPPED one guinea pig from reproducing even MORE to add to the population. People buy for quality, showing, food, certain breeds, and other reasons.

There would be no over population if no one ever showed an interest. YOU are showing an interest even if you did adopt. Maybe you adopted a guinea pig some one else wanted. And because they wanted that certain look they could go else where and find a breeder or a pet store with a guinea pig just like that one. Not all areas have an over population problem so people are not just going to drive hours to find one, they will do what they want to obtain a guinea pig.

 

[kyllaa]

seriously' why are you calling her a troll shes not one, your the ones who think the world is over populated by guinea pigs so pretty much you think they should stop breeding. so pretty much to me if they stopped they would be an endangered species and your just gonna let them become that? your the murders here! not right away for eventually they could. and your willing to let them die because you think it's doing right, when its not its more guinea pigs dieing because of what you stand for. just because their from a breeder doesn't mean they shouldn't be given a good home,


YOU MURDERS!

 

[guineapigluver1]

Oh puh-leez. You need to think realistically. It will never happen. As nice as it seems that the over-population of animals will be solved, it won't happen, it just won't. We are not murders. I think you are going a little off the deep end.

 

[purple_kiwi]

Oh puh-leez. You need to think realistically. It will never happen. As nice as it seems that the over-population of animals will be solved, it won't happen, it just won't. We are not murders. I think you are going a little off the deep end.

Really? I was told to not buy the guinea pig and just let it be there to die. Because people here believe that, that will stop the cycle of breeders. It won't so I don't think it should have been left to die. One post you people say we are against the senseless death of guinea pigs the next you are pro guinea pigs dying just so you can justifies your self's as trying to save guinea pigs? Because even as you adopted more are being born and you still don't seem to realize they NEED homes too, BECAUSE you are to busy hating only the person for breeding and not looking at what to do with the guinea pigs being born.

 

[guineapigluver1]

When you pay that breeder for a guinea pig, you give them money to keep breeding, thus contributing more to the problem.
I have told you my reasons why I am against it, they make all the sense in the world, and I don't see why you can't understand it, for that reason I am not going to keep arguing.