Guinea pigs as livestock

[VoodooJoint]

I am shocked Voodoo. That was a horrible thing to say. Just because someone doesn't have the same views as you do doesn't mean that they are oozing infection from the brain or need help from a psychiatrist! You do not know this person.

I believe my opinion that this person may benefit from a psychiatrist is valid. I'm not giving medical advice or encouraging them to take any particular medication but their words and stated deeds leads me to believe that this person has a very twisted sense of empathy (or severe lack of it) and could be doing great harm not only to animals but to the emotional well-being of herself, her children and family.

Regardless of whether or not there is something mentally wrong with Fillycate the fact remans that her sickening actions and plans are not welcome on this forum.

 

[catzeye21138]

You're making even more assumptions than anyone else has. What if? What if? What if? You are judging them yourself and, I assume, you're in no more of a position to do so than anyone else. Voodoo called them a monster, you're insinuating they're mentally ill. Pot kettle black.

Big deal. They post something deliberately offensive to the majority of people on here (while I'm not vegetarian I don't believe that guinea pigs are a viable source of meat to have as "livestock") then they need to deal with the consequences.

I stated that "As far as I know...". I had judging people because I hate being judged myself. For the most part I try to keep a baised attitute on forums and in real life. I only posted that because from what I have seen from voodoojoint's posts they seem to consist mostly of insults squished in with all the other stuff.

I personally think this thread should be locked, that way the other moderators can see it. I mean, she can't even post in here anymore. Why would she even come back to read replies, and we KNOW what the majority will say about breeding cavies for livestock. Even I agree, I think that is not a good thing. At all. I understand if it is in South America, they have their own culture and living styles but here in the US things are different and we have no need to breed and slaughter cavies for livestock.

 

[MCR_Rox]

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[I<3MyBabies]

Well guys -

I really don't want to get myself in trouble here, but after reading through the whole thread, I think I have something valid to say.

I have been a vegetarian for about 2 weeks now. I know, I know, big deal. But it is to me. I've made a commitment to something I believe.

Now, although the simple suggestion of raising our gorgeous little piggers for dinner is...well, I lack the proper word for it. Perhaps, revolting? I do not believe that the way we went about this ( and I say 'we' because I feel that we respond together as a group to issues like this ) was not quite right.

It started out somewhat on an "ok" track, but what it turned into was, in my eyes, somewhat disgraceful. We are passionate people here, yes. We have serious beliefs and we take them as such.

But, here's the thing. I started out on this forum I totally different person than the person who is typing this to you today. HowietheGreat will testify to this as she as been there along the way. I didn't understand such passion about animals and their protection, their provision. I didn't understand the vegetarians and the animal welfarists, but now I do. Thanks to so many of you.

But, had you responded the way many of you responded to the Filly who started this thread, I feel fairly certain that I would be eating chicken and steak right now, and making fun of all the animal rights activists, as I used to.

When someone, troll or not, comes onto this forum, my desire and my hope is that all of us, as a group of passionate, intelligent, awesome people, can respond as such. Calling names, throwing insults - that is simply childish. Would it NOT be better to respond in a way that may convince this person, TROLL OR NOT, of their error and perhaps in that way save hundreds of piggers? Think, if you could hold your quick tongue ( and I too must work in this area ) and instead of shout at the top of your lungs how terrible and disgusting they are, try to explain, discuss, and understand them? If you were to do that and earn their trust, could you not perhaps turn them around like you did me?

All I'm saying is I don't approve of this ranting and raving. I think it reflect poorly on all of us here. I know we can do SO much good. You already showed me that and convinced me there is a better way to live. I'm simply asking you take that into consideration the next time a situation like this occurs. Speak calmly, try to get to the bottom of it, argue intelligently, don't insult and name-cal.

Think, if we all could have responded in such a respectable, humble, and kind manner to ever person who ever steps foot on this site, think of all the people's lives we could touch. I'm not saying you aren't doing this at all, but not all the time.

I understand its enraging when someone does something, especially like this, where its truely disgusting. But, at the same time. We could have saved those piggies...the same way you save hundreds of animals by being patient with me.

Thanks for listening. Please know I'm not criticizing here. I simply am so thankfull for you guys, and it is my desire that we can touch every person who comes here and change them for the better. And I dont think this thread was the way to do it.

Heidi

 

[thalestral]

I think the fact is though that many people come here asking for advice or aware of their ignorance and those people can be helped.

Those who come to a guinea pig care forum and talk about how they are breeding guinea pigs to be eaten, and how they believe they love their animals because they kill the weak to eat them - this is not someone who comes here with an open mind. I can't think of any reason such a person would do this other than for some kind of perverse entertainment derived from the knowledge that they have upset people at some level.

The people of this community have much to teach those who are prepared to listen. Unfortunately this open attitude attracts those who want their fun at our expense, especially those "talented" enough to evoke such responses from even the most level headed (aka not me!) of our members.

 

[Calliso]

I'm not saying that I agree with this person but I am shocked Voodoo. That was a horrible thing to say. Just because someone doesn't have the same views as you do doesn't mean that they are oozing infection from the brain or need help from a psychiatrist! You do not know this person. They could be a troll, they could be a real person. You are not really in a position to judge someone you do not know personally.

And for all we know you could be oozing infection from the brain and already seeing a psychiatrist.

Sorry I've just had enough.

Well said well but for the last line that was unnecessary and hurt the great point you just made sorry. But some posts here have gone too far. I have no problem with people disagreeing with the opening and telling them why. I certainly donlt agree with their raising of Guinea pigs. Not because I donlt think guinea pigs are better then other animals, I donlt have a problem with killing animals for food. But I think that raising guinea pigs is an extremely ineffective way to get meat, especially for human consumption. Now if they had said something like I am feeding my cat a raw meat diet and raising guinea pigs for that purpose I would have less trouble with it, though would still think that there would be better animals to raise. But calling a person names and even going so low as to make personal attacks on a persons character is just childish and unnecessary. Not to mention unlikely to do anything to change a persons mind. If anything it is more likely to convince them that they are right.

 

[wickedrodent]

I agree with the above statement (I<3).. to a point. This person needs to know that what they are doing is wrong. I tried to make them aware.

However, I also posted some links on other energy resources and John gave some good feedback. It may have sounded harsh, but I was trying to help. Not to just rant and rave.

 

[crazywiggy]

Well here is my input as someone who is not veg*n...

I eat meat. That is my choice, and I will not waste my time defending it. This is a prowelfare, pro-rights, pro-veg*n forum... hence I would not come on here defending my eating habits or criticising other peoples. I avoid the topic because I do not wish to offend anyone, and because I respect the rules and views of this forum, where I am only a guest.

I think that the way Filly has been treated is frankly disgusting, and if I am honest I agree with many of the things she has said.

I agree that many people who eat meat are far too removed from it. They do not appreciate what is involved. I fully believe that if you are going to eat animal products you should be fully aware of what is involved, i.e. the lives and deaths of the animals. If people had to face the realities of eating meat many more would be vegetarian.

Filly understands these realities and still eats meat. This is her choice. I applaud the fact that she has changed her eating habits in order to support higher welfare produce - such as raising her own chickens. She is actively doing something to improve animal welfare in this instance.

I agree with her completely that how the animal lives and dies is more important than the fact that it dies. If she is willing to raise her animals in excellent conditions, prevent suffering and maintain high welfare, and finally slaughter them in a quick and painless manner - what is so wrong with that?

On the other hand I do not approve of her decision to include guinea pigs in this. This is partly because they are not considered livestock in the country she is living in, and because I do not see this as viable.

I am shocked and unimpressed that she chose to post such a decision on a forum such as this. Knowing that this site is about PET guinea pigs, and is pro rescue/welfare/rights etc it is inappropriate and disrespectful to come on here with such a post.

Overall - I do not agree with Filly raising GPs, or posting about it here. But I do not believe anything she has said makes her out to be a monster / mentally ill etc.

 

[Calliso]

*Points to Crazywiggy's post* That post right there basically sums up my feelings on this thread and my opinion of what the opening is doing in general. Well said

 

[socal805]

But I do not believe anything she has said makes her out to be a monster / mentally ill etc.

To understand why some people like myself think that some of the things said were monsterous you have to understand that as a vegetarian the idea of someone killing an animal with bare hands is no different than if they talked about killing a human with their bare hands. It's hard not to get emotional when reading about how someone plans to kill an animal. I cannot help the way I feel about this and I know that many people will not agree.

 

[Maisiepaisie]

If she is willing to raise her animals in excellent conditions, prevent suffering and maintain high welfare, and finally slaughter them in a quick and painless manner - what is so wrong with that?

Whats wrong with it is that she gives the impression from her posts that the animals are treated as pets. They have names and are loved by her children, then they are slaughtered. A life lost for a little meat that probably would do no more than one meal for her family when that life is a guinea pig. What a waste of a life. I cannot imagine how confused those poor children must be and what impact it may have on them. It really saddens me when children have to witness such cruelty.

 

[Ly&Pigs]

Apparantly some of you did NOT read this from post #38. I will post it again for you to read.

I will say to the rest of the members reading this- it's not your place to determine or state whether you think this person is a troll or not. It's the moderators place to determine that. I don't want to see anymore "troll" talk on this thread. If you think the person's a troll then report it to us mods.

Since I posted that last night, 3 people have mentioned troll in their posts. I don't know if you missed my post or if you ignored my post but following simple directions isn't that hard really.

 

[Calliso]

Whats wrong with it is that she gives the impression from her posts that the animals are treated as pets. They have names and are loved by her children, then they are slaughtered. A life lost for a little meat that probably would do no more than one meal for her family when that life is a guinea pig. What a waste of a life. I cannot imagine how confused those poor children must be and what impact it may have on them. It really saddens me when children have to witness such cruelty.

You know to be fair I donlt think we should assume her children are confused or that this will have a huge negative impact on them. I mean there are plenty of children who have grown up on farms before...and I am sure many of them made pets out of animals they knew were going to be killed. I am also sure most of them aren;t confused or scarred.

 

[John4216]

But I do not believe anything she has said makes her out to be a monster / mentally ill etc.

The killing your pet and feeding it to you is a red flag. Sorry but that is a bit disturbing.

And just for the sake of argument, I notice some people pushing the whole "meat is meat" thing and the animal type really does not matter. If you take that line of thinking to its extreme then you get Soylent Green.

 

[HowietheGreat]

The fact that she is willing to watch a animal "bleed out," a slow and suffering type of death, also raises concerns for me about his/her mental well being. I can see exactly where VJ is coming from. Does he/she get some type of pleasure out of watching a animal bleed to death? Maybe he/she likes the control. What a horrific way to die. Sure, if you want to humanely have animals so that you can get your own eggs/milk, go ahead but to say you are going to slaughter your childrens pet-there is nothing healthy about this mentality. I have read all of the posts before responding. First to keep my temper, second because I thought people have raised some very good points. All in all I do question what this person was seeking to gain by posting that here. I get the concept of good quality of life for farm animals (for those that still eat meat) but bleeding them to death hardly sounds like a "humane death," if any enforced death can be labeled humanely at all.

 

[Raisintosser]

*****WARNING********* Graphic details of slaughter

Just for your information: I am not stating my opinion on this topic, just posting what information is out there for educational purposes.

Taken from Judaism 101 Judaism 101: Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws
"Kosher slaughtering

The mammals and birds that may be eaten must be slaughtered in accordance with Jewish law. (Deut. 12:21). We may not eat animals that died of natural causes (Deut. 14:21) or that were killed by other animals. In addition, the animal must have no disease or flaws in the organs at the time of slaughter. These restrictions do not apply to fish; only to the flocks and herds (Num. 11:22).
Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root Shin-Cheit-Tav, meaning to destroy or kill. The method of slaughter is a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade with no nicks or unevenness. This method is painless, causes unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the most humane method of slaughter possible.
Another advantage of shechitah is that it ensures rapid, complete draining of the blood, which is also necessary to render the meat kosher."

 

[jshultz06]

>( That is the most horrible thing I have read on this site and can't even believe they allowed you to post that. We are not in a country that is ok with the raising and slaughtering of guinea pigs for food. And your delight that you are expressing in this post is appauling! Have you no heart...to be able to stand there and witness as well as contribute to the killing of animals and not feel anything for them after watching them grow from babies. I lived on a dairy farm when I was growing up and the few that would be sold saddened us all to no end to know what their fate was after watching them born and grow we grew to love each one of them I could never watch any animal be slaughtered.

 

[MCR_Rox]

I've read that they swing ducks or something around their shoulders.

 

[VoodooJoint]

This method is painless, causes unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the most humane method of slaughter possible.

I don't think you are getting the whole picture. If you think kosher slaughter is humane then you need to read this thread https://www.guineapigcages.com/foru...umanely-includes-videos.html?highlight=kosher and watch this video (warning, video is extremely graphic) PETA TV: Select Your Media Preferences: Mutilations at AgriProcessors Slaughterhouse--Full Version

 

[Raisintosser]

I never said kosher slaughter was humane, I posted just for educational purposes.