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Really do wish I had read up on the c&c cages before I got our girls, but for now their cages will have to do. I am however still glad I didn't listen to the pet store lady and put them in either an aquarium or one of the smaller cages they had there. As it was I had her special order the one I got first (Living World Deluxe Habitat XL) and had to find the second one on Amazon (exact same LW cage) after being woken up in the middle of the night to screaming and Wednesday going after Lucy. Lucy got a pretty good bite on her leg with a little blood from that and I had to borrow a smaller Super Pet cage while waiting on the new one to be over nighted. I am not entirely sure if the fighting was due to Wednesday being grumpy while super pregnant or space issues. They seemed to play well enough when I had them out to clean the cages yesterday. I'm almost wondering if, at some point, I can figure out a way to join together the 2 cages safely and perhaps ramp them. It would turn the two 46 x 22 into 92 x 22. Is this a somewhat viable idea or is this a total no no?
 

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That would be 14 square feet (if it's the inside measurements?), slightly larger than a 2x5 C&C. It's definitely large enough, but a bit narrow.
 

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If you think they will get along in the future, I'd personally just sell/ return the living world cages and get a C and C. If you ramp to smaller cages you are not giving them long running room, which is always preferred over segmented smaller areas. You can also just add a simple divider to the C and C cage if you have to continue to separate them.

I would actually just return the second cage and get the appropriate cage. Then you always have the option to add on if they need to stay separated. Do you have the male too? Are you planning on breeding them in the future?
 

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I'm stuck with the ones they're in for at least another couple of weeks, and in all honestly may end up having to save for a c&c, the extra money I had went into getting the two girls for my son for Christmas and into the 2 cages.

They seemed to get along well when I had them both out of the cage and together the other day and had never fought until the night I had to separate them. No, I don't have the male, I bought them from the pet store which I know now was a mistake. And I haven't got a clue who the father is for either of the girls litters. And no, I don't plan on breeding them. To be honest I'm scared to death about them being pregnant. The one I had as a child died giving birth in the middle of the night when one of the babies was stuck in the birth canal. I fully intend to separate the males around 3 weeks to insure that it doesn't happen again. I've spent most of the last month that we've had them reading up on anything and everything I can find on guinea pigs to try and make sure I can give the girls a decent life.
 

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You can make your own C&C for WAY less than the two pet store cages (let alone one pet store cage). If you got the cages from PetSmart or PetCo return them. Even if they've already been lived in you can return them for up to 60 days and get your money back (with a receipt). If you don't have a receipt, but paid with a credit or debit card, ask them to look it up. Be REALLY nice, and they should. Actually, they should anyway, but some managers will say they can't.

You can get coroplast for $20-$25 from sign stores. Call around and figure out who is cheapest. You can get the cubes for $20 a box at Bed Bath & Beyond. Get two boxes of them. For $60 you can have a safe large cage. Also, try Craig's List. I've seen people post C&C's on CL before for $30-$40.

If your pigs are pregnant you need to get a bigger cage. It's unfair to the pigs, and the babies to be in a small cage.

ETA: You said you got one from Amazon. If it is a brand PetSmart or PetCo sells return it without a receipt for store credit. You can stock up on pellets and hay with it.
 

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I don't know if PetsCo or PetSmart sells them, to be honest. I come from a small town and have an hour drive to get to any kind of store like those. One of them I got from Amazon and the other I had to have the local mom and pop pet store order before I got the girls. Said mom and pop pet store was trying to get me to just buy a glass aquarium or a very small mouse / rat cage and thought I was insane to order the biggest possible cage they knew of.

To be honest I won't try cragslist at all since I got ripped off twice from it and one of those was a creepy guy who followed me for 2 weeks after until I involved the police.

I've got about an hour drive to get to a Bed Bath and Beyond, but I may try and check the Home Depot here when I get paid. I can try the sign shops here locally but I'm not sure what luck I'll have. Looks like come payday I'll be winging it trying to pull together enough extra $ to get together a c&c or to just straight up buy one.
 

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For the pregnancy and delivery etc, the size you have isn't horrible, it's probably a little narrower than a midwest cage. But if both girls successfully deliver and have boys, you will need a minimum of 3 cages anyway. We can help you build a temporary C and C cage for very cheap and you can return the living world cage to Amazon freeing up funding to finish the C and C cage. I figure at the very least you need enough grids for a 2x8 cage. (if you have the room) but a 2x8 cage divide up into (2) 2x3's and (1) 2x2 nursery cage (temporarily for the boys until they find homes) then this could then be turned into (2) 2x4s for the two girls, plus if you decide to keep any of the female babies. If you are lucky and they start getting along again you can always remodel into a different size to hold them all. That is the beauty of using C and C cages.

Do you happen to have a sears near you? They have the best deal on grids (6 cube box for 22.)
 
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No local Sears, There is a Home Depot and an Ace within about 20 mins from here. Wal-mart maybe? I'm in process of seeing if I can perhaps find a family member to loan me some money until payday. Here's hoping it works out.
 

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Definitely walmart, if they are not at the store, you can order the grids online and have them shipped to the store or you can have them shipped to you directly. But Amazon would be much faster. Athough on amazon the black ones are 19.76 and the white ones are 29.95 so it would also depend on what color grids you like better.
 

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Also, are you considering fleece bedding or are you using disposable bedding like shavings/carefresh etc.
 

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If you check Walmart for grids, make sure to check on the forums for info on which grids are unusable due to the squares being too large. I saw someone on here recently debating buying theirs from Walmart, but only half or so of the package would have been usable. Especially now since you'll be expecting babies! (it sounds like you'll have fun baby proofing the cage for that.) But if that is the case, you may wind up spending twice as much just to have usable grids...

Another option is ordering online from Bed Bath and Beyond. I believe there shipping for a thing of grids is around ~$6, which isn't bad if I believe you said that would be an hour drive anyway. It may be possible to find a coupon online (I know they have lots of in-store ones) that could help with the base cost.
 

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If you can't find grids and coroplast, you can use wire closet shelves and vinyl flooring from Home Depot. See the alternative cages gallery for ideas.
 

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Thank you everyone for the advice, I'll research more into that in the morning. Just got home from spending most of the afternoon and evening in the emergency room with the kiddo, so I'm beat. @ Traysea, right now I'm using the carefresh bedding, though I'm thinking about fleece. Couldn't do the wood shaving bedding even if I wanted to since I'm allergic to it.
 

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Rather than using a 2x8 *if space is limited* you can make stacked cages *cages on top of each other* Would work much easier than a big long cage IMO. Especially if mamas have boys. It's confusing at first but c&c cages are easy and fun to remodel. If you get bored, you take apart and upgrade! Lol I WISH I had known about C&C when we got our first two girls. We bought the biggest pet store cage then we bought from the guinea pig store THEN I found out about making your own. Altogether we spent $500+ before learning about diy c&c...good thing we sold the old pet store cage lol
 

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The reason I suggested a 2x8 pen style cage on the floor is because funds are limited right now. You can lay plastic, vinyl or shower curtains on the floor and put the grid pen on top to make it a very large temporary cage (until the other cage gets back to amazon and the money gets refunded) Stacking the cages would require more grids and two coroplast bases. Which would more than double the initial layout cost.



Rather than using a 2x8 *if space is limited* you can make stacked cages *cages on top of each other* Would work much easier than a big long cage IMO. Especially if mamas have boys. It's confusing at first but c&c cages are easy and fun to remodel. If you get bored, you take apart and upgrade! Lol I WISH I had known about C&C when we got our first two girls. We bought the biggest pet store cage then we bought from the guinea pig store THEN I found out about making your own. Altogether we spent $500+ before learning about diy c&c...good thing we sold the old pet store cage lol
 

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Is everything ok with your kiddo? I spent the day in the ER a couple of weeks ago with my toddlers (they got into my husbands old pain killers and I didn't know if they swallowed any). 8 hours in the ER for observation. Horrible, terrible day.

Allergies are the worst, I have horrible allergies and asthma. Fleece presents it's own set of challenges but it will very quickly save you a ton of money after you buy the fleece and padding (7.95 per pad, you would need 2) If you do end up doing a pen style cage it will be very, very helpful cleaning the cage using fleece rather than bedding. This is how I would do it temporarily since this would be the absolute cheapest way to do it. You can always add on the coroplast and add a stand etc layer on as funds allow.

How I would do it in a temporary situation:
lay down a liner. (A sheet of vinyl -you can buy vinyl by the yard at joanns OR shower Curtain OR thick plastic OR a blue tarp. Anything big enough to protect your floor)
lay down 2 layers of uhaul padding on top of the liner.
lay down one layer of fleece on top of that.
put the C and C pen on top of that.

To spot clean:
use a dust pan and broom to sweep up loose poops (daily) It will be easy since the fleece will be taunt because the grids will hold it down flat.

To fully clean:
put the piggies in temporary cage/bin etc.
lift the grid pen off the fleece.
shake all the mess into the middle of the fleece.
sweep it up with a broom
take the fleece outside and brush it off with the dust broom or a stiff scrubbing brush
Or take the uhual pads away and brush the fleece onto the plastic liner and sweep up the mess.
If you need to wipe down the bottom of the grids with vinegar (if they pee heavily in that area)
throw the fleece in the wash.
If you need to wipe down the liner with vinegar water.
Put new uhaul and fleece back on the liner.

It's easier than it sounds. I wouldn't want to deal with cleaning this cage/cages forever but many people do do it this way. You can also do it this way on a table/stand (would need to split the cages into separate cages).

Another option would be to put in cat litter pan kitchens in each cage, put the food bowls in there and hang your hay over it. That will keep a good amount of the mess in the kitchen area.



Thank you everyone for the advice, I'll research more into that in the morning. Just got home from spending most of the afternoon and evening in the emergency room with the kiddo, so I'm beat. @ Traysea, right now I'm using the carefresh bedding, though I'm thinking about fleece. Couldn't do the wood shaving bedding even if I wanted to since I'm allergic to it.
 

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Kiddo is still having a rough day, he's got the stomach flu wicked bad. ER was packed yesterday so it took us ages to get in. Wednesday had her babies last night so the $ I do have left at the moment I'll be spending at the vet tomorrow afternoon getting mama and babies check to make sure all are good and healthy. So it looks like I'll have to wait a wk or 2 to start in on the c&c, but this also gives me time to research on which grids are best and to try to order them if need be.
 

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The set up you have is fine for now or the future, you might need to get something smaller if you end up with boys to separate. Maybe you will get lucky and have all girls!
 
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