Breeding Anti breeding?

[MrWhistles]

but for an example here where i live there are in huge demand i paid the same amount for my 2 piggy´s as a normal weekly salary then i don't see anything wrong in having a litter.

So, you don't see the health risks being wrong to breed guinea pigs? Most sows do not survive the births or pregnancies. Going off that 1 statement alone, it sounds like someone who is just in it for the money and not well being of the animals who are being forced to deal with the risks.

 

[Dee_E]

Its funny i was just told this is an anti breeding site hmm one has to be considered when breeding, but for an example here where i live there are in huge demand i paid the same amount for my 2 piggy´s as a normal weekly salary then i don't see anything wrong in having a litter. I am not into breeding them big time its not a money thing for me, but i do pity all those that would love to have a piggy but has no chance to effort one.
We don't have any piggy´s that are in need of rescue here. So please consider location before taking a stand on if they should be breed or not.

In a small way you do have a point. But do you know the ramifications of breeding? When? What do do when the Pups arrive.
However, that small way does not in my opinion does not justify breeding. Other pets can be had that will give the same joy.

 

[madelineelaine]

[MENTION=24807]asnnbrg[/MENTION] yes race is a social thing, but GENETICALLY, we could base it off that. Perhaps not so much geographically, but if we breed 'pure bred' dogs, why not take it a step further to humans? That was hitlers goal and to me breeding dogs for show is the same. Not taking into account personality or breed traits, but purely aesthetic stuff.

 

[seveneves]

I feel that dogs shouldn't be bred unless the result of the breeding is the IMPROVE the breed as a whole. THAT is a reputable breeder to me. One who has spent countless hours doing research on his or her dogs, finding the best matches, finding what traits to improve or what health issues to attempt to eliminate or lessen, etc etc.

I don't care if the pups are perfectly healthy, don't care if all your "customers" have been happy, don't care if you only breed each mother once her whole entire lifetime, don't care what you say about your "reputable breeding".(not directed toward anyone in particular) A dog's purpose shouldn't just be running around a show ring. A dog's purpose is to have a "job" to put forth his or her effort into it's breed. If it's a working dog, then it should do what it was originally bred for.

If I am going to put forth more than $300 for a dog then my dog better be an AWESOME dog. My doberman was that result. He is the key to improve 1 trait in his breed. He has also contributed to 4 litters so far and all are going on a great track to improve the breed. My type of dog is a working dog, but being an animal lover, I can't stand to turn down any dog(for animal for that matter) that needs help.

i love ppl like you who think breeding is a big no-no no matter what the situation is UNLESS they do it for the reason you are doing it - then it is totally legitimate

 

[Megaredize]

i agree that breeding dogs and cats is also unnecessary right now. there is an abundance of dogs and cats, if you would liek a dog or cat it is easy to find one without breeding or going to a breeder. iadopted my first cat from the spca and my second one i got from a kijiji add someones barn cat had babies and they were looking for good homes. so i got a 2 month old kitten for free just had to bring him to the vet right away for shots and deworming but he is the crazies most vocal cat i have ever met. lol he is quite the character, unfortunately my adopted cat has always been nervous. i adopted him at around 4 months and it said he was a stray so i think that might play a part in his stand offish nervous behaviour.

 

[seveneves]

my .02. I breed dairy goats. Any male that is born is available for sale at 4 weeks of age. If not sold by 6 weeks of age will go to livestock auction. Doelings that i do not plan on retaining are the same. Iif they end up sold for slaughter - so be it - it's a better life than being kept by someone who cant afford to feed them or think what most ppl think and that they are living garbage disposals and feed them, well, garbage.

I dont believe in breeding dogs. Pure breds usually have so many genetic disorders that they are a waste of money and when you rescue one they know you saved their life and they are the most loving and loyal animal you could want. Dont like cats so wont go there. They serve NO purpose. Guinea pigs / small furries - etc - whatever - depends on the situation.

Breeding to feed snakes or whatever - fine - breeding for human food - fine - breeding because you're too lazy or stupid to stop it or because you think babies are cute - WRONG. There's a time and a place for everything - and I agree with Paula - ppl are the ones that need to stop breeding for at least 5 decades.

Not scientific thought so dont ostrasize me. I just pulled a number out of the air. Personally, i think that by the time a child reaches the age of 5, if they are handicapped in anyway, they should be sterilized - oh hell - lets say anyone with an IQ less than 90 should be sterilized.

There's all the media hype about gingers so lets sterilize red heads. Blue eyes are known to be weaker than brown eyes - lets sterilize them too! Hey - ya know - maybe Hitler had a good idea after all... hmm... (being sarchastic in case you cant tell).

But Mr Whistles and all you others are the Hitlers of the animal world - breed to IMPORVE my lily white back side! pah! Just a way to rationalize. I think it is wrong to breed dogs, that part is true. Especially the twits out there breeding puggles and all those other "designer" breeds and selling them for $500 +.

Instead of jumping on the person that is breeding papered dogs, why not jump on the "designer" mutt bandwagon and stop that stupidity! (ps) i have 4 dogs - 2 rescues - 2 bought and paid for - all altered.

 

[MrWhistles]

i love ppl like you who think breeding is a big no-no no matter what the situation is UNLESS they do it for the reason you are doing it - then it is totally legitimate

That is my opinion. There's no reason to be rude like that.

 

[YourSoJelly]

That is my opinion. There's no reason to be rude like that.

I'm with MeWhistles on this one. If the breeding is to IMPROVE the breed and to prevent stereotypical attacks, by all means go Shea and do it but don't have your dog sire 20 litters! Im sure Whistles wouldn't do that but that is just a point I'm trying to make. That was very rude of you to reply like that. MrWhistles was just trying to giver her 2 cents like very one else Nd your going to ounce on her for trying to improve a breed of dog that could use improvement( I don't mean this negatively. I mean for the weird and funky genes that make some dogs snap)! MrWhistles, you have my full support on this matter.

 

[YourSoJelly]

Ahead not Shea. It's my autocorrect. Sorry.

 

[foggycreekcavy]

Dont like cats so wont go there. They serve NO purpose.

Maybe in your limited experience.

 

[MrWhistles]

Some cats have a hunting instinct. God forbid something happens that we have to hunt on our own, household cats that hunt could help us with that. My cat used to always bring me headless squirrels. Not sure what she did with the head, but in such an event, it could prove useful.


Besides that, some people find them very therapeutic. And if you find cats useless, then guinea pigs are useless as well. I myself, do not find animals useless. They all serve a purpose in this world. I don't like birds very much(bad experiences as a child) but they serve their purpose to people who love them.

 

[MizzyMiz]

My cat used to always bring me headless squirrels. Not sure what she did with the head, but in such an event, it could prove useful.

My old man cat is not that skilled xD he brings me socks.... he has a lot of pride in his sock hunting skills.

Anyway, about being "useless," I think that thats why there are so many guinea pig breeders, they are small, simple animals that are easy to care for and come in a variety of breeds and colors. They are perfect for breeders. But it also makes it harder to justify breeding them, because other then being lovely pets they don't have many uses. When there is an animal with a variety of uses in our society it becomes more acceptable to breed them. (not saying I agree with it though)

 

[Wildcavy]

my .02. I breed dairy goats. Any male that is born is available for sale at 4 weeks of age. If not sold by 6 weeks of age will go to livestock auction. Doelings that i do not plan on retaining are the same. Iif they end up sold for slaughter - so be it - it's a better life than being kept by someone who cant afford to feed them or think what most ppl think and that they are living garbage disposals and feed them, well, garbage.

I dont believe in breeding dogs. Pure breds usually have so many genetic disorders that they are a waste of money and when you rescue one they know you saved their life and they are the most loving and loyal animal you could want. Dont like cats so wont go there. They serve NO purpose. Guinea pigs / small furries - etc - whatever - depends on the situation.

Breeding to feed snakes or whatever - fine - breeding for human food - fine - breeding because you're too lazy or stupid to stop it or because you think babies are cute - WRONG. There's a time and a place for everything - and I agree with Paula - ppl are the ones that need to stop breeding for at least 5 decades.

Not scientific thought so dont ostrasize me. I just pulled a number out of the air. Personally, i think that by the time a child reaches the age of 5, if they are handicapped in anyway, they should be sterilized - oh hell - lets say anyone with an IQ less than 90 should be sterilized.

There's all the media hype about gingers so lets sterilize red heads. Blue eyes are known to be weaker than brown eyes - lets sterilize them too! Hey - ya know - maybe Hitler had a good idea after all... hmm... (being sarchastic in case you cant tell).

But Mr Whistles and all you others are the Hitlers of the animal world - breed to IMPORVE my lily white back side! pah! Just a way to rationalize. I think it is wrong to breed dogs, that part is true. Especially the twits out there breeding puggles and all those other "designer" breeds and selling them for $500 +.

Instead of jumping on the person that is breeding papered dogs, why not jump on the "designer" mutt bandwagon and stop that stupidity! (ps) i have 4 dogs - 2 rescues - 2 bought and paid for - all altered.

Are you being sarcastic all the way through? As in, you do or do not believe that we should sterilize "handicapped" children? It's hard to tell whether it is sloppy writing or just a vile belief system.

You note you are being sarcastic on one paragraph, but it is not clear whether that pertains to the entire entry.

 

[Wildcavy]

Bit of a knee-jerk reaction, don't you think? Yes, I do remember your family situation and suspect that this hit a hot button for you. Not everyone knows your story and may make blunders. Maybe some very poor analogies, but it seems that she is being sarcastic to prove a point.

My suggestion would be for people to not use that level of hyperbole unless they have a really good command of the style. I would also suggest that using references to Hitler, Nazis, and so forth be avoided.

No one needs to know my "family situation." It's a matter of decency. There are plenty of other folks on the forum with special needs relatives / personal challenges. I don't think that someone has to have those same situations to be able to get why this entry should be called out.

People do have those beliefs, and a lot more commonly than we may be willing to believe. I'll risk putting the "jerk" in knee-jerk if it forces people to clarify their positions, particularly in The Kitchen.

 

[Wildcavy]

You're right..........and a "stay at home gram" (seveneves) should have the wisdom to know better!

[MENTION=26703]seveneves[/MENTION] can clarify. The post was unclear, going from a defense of breeding to the uselessness of cats to eliminating the "weak" to ... etc.

People should consider what they are writing if it is passionate. I considered what I wrote and stand by it, not the least because I have asked Seveneves to clarify.

 

[asnnbrg]

Holy bananas, what did I just stumble into? I'm nauseated. How about you keep your reproductive tract to yourself and leave everyone else in control of their own? You don't get a say in who reproduces whether you think they should or not, red hair, blue eyes, special needs or anything else that makes them somehow "inferior" in your eyes.

As for the purpose of cats, fine that you don't like them. Not only are there plenty of people who do, but different types of cats most certainly can and do help play a role in maintaining balance in nature (in those places where they belong -- not where they've been introduced).

I feel like I need a bath.

Sometimes sarcasm is the appropriate tool to get the point across. Sometimes it absolutely is not. This was one of those times when it was not.

 

[2198lindsey]

I have an interest in opinions about "types" of breeders. I'm seeing a lot of extremes on the spectrum.

What about people who breed/rescue?

I think I mentioned this at the beginning of this thread, but this has taken an interesting turn and I'm curious.

Very dear friend of mine, breeds Rottweilers, shows Rottweilers, and fosters Rottweilers. She has a female that she'll be breeding in Spring, who had a litter 2 years ago. The last litter she had was 3 pups. All 3 left her, with microchips and contracts stating that she takes back all dogs that could no longer be taken care of for whatever reason. And that's what happened. A friend of hers was having some personal issues and Leslie had to take the dog back. She's one of her personal dogs now and will live with her for her entire life.

While doing this, she had a little over 10 Rottweilers that she pulled from shelters stretching as far as Miami go through her house and into their new forever homes. She cares.

Now, excluding the hours of genetic testing/health testing/research, thousands of dollars in vet bills ect. she spent on that litter and the maybe 2,000 she turned out of it, how can you put people like that into the same category as people who breed 2 dogs in the hopes of cute babies?

I believe that breeding for pure breeds is perfectly acceptable, in the right circumstances. I also believe that you can't give the right and put restrictions on it like that, so we should stop breeding all together. If everyone doesn't follow the rules, than no one get's the chance to.

 

[CanadianComforts]

I want to add something about Cats.

I am a cat lover and it always pisses me off when people say cats "serve NO purpose". My Spook serves many purposes. He is a welcoming face for my family when we come home, he is a nurse when my kids are sick, he is my faithful friend when I was recovering from my surgery last year. He is there when I am so mad I can't see straight and always calms me down. He makes me laugh when he see's birds outside and does his little "I want those sooooo badly" meows. He keeps me warm at night when my husband steals the blanket. He cries when the kids go to school and lastly he is the best secret keeper ever. Now if that is a "serves NO purpose" animal, explain to me what is. Frankly anyone who says any animal "serve NO purpose", no matter what the animal is, is wrong as there will always be someone somewhere that can give you many reasons why that animal is amazing.

 

[Carissa6729]

My suggestion would be for people to not use that level of hyperbole unless they have a really good command of the style. I would also suggest that using references to Hitler, Nazis, and so forth be avoided.

No one needs to know my "family situation." It's a matter of decency. There are plenty of other folks on the forum with special needs relatives / personal challenges. I don't think that someone has to have those same situations to be able to get why this entry should be called out.

People do have those beliefs, and a lot more commonly than we may be willing to believe. I'll risk putting the "jerk" in knee-jerk if it forces people to clarify their positions, particularly in The Kitchen.

What I think a lot of people don't realize, especially ones who aren't in the situation, is that families of special needs children (especially the ones with low IQ's, behavioral issues, etc) are CONSTANTLY having to defend their children against people. Whether they be, people in the media, people in positions of power, in their local schools, "friends", family, random people at a park and perfect strangers on the street who can't keep their damn mouths shut.

Unfortunately, as mentioned, people DO think like this and DO want our kids/family members locked up in an institution to be "tested" and away from causing "harm", out of sight out of mind and to be sterilized. Not just average Joe Shmoe sitting on the side of the street with an opinion, but people who are respected in communities, religions, political and media positions and when you are constantly fighting against the opinion people have of trying to take your child away and have them sterilized and locked up, then ridiculous statements like what was made can and will be questioned and brought up. Many people don't realize the horror that we go through as well as our loved ones with special needs, from people telling them to their face they should have been aborted to teachers physically, emotionally and mentally abusing our kids when they are to be in a "safe" environment at school.

Personally, I saw red when I read that as well. The latter statement obviously was sarcasm, but starting the statement with "In my personal opinion", was what set myself off. It should have been made clearer that it was sarcasm, if it was.

PS- You may add this to the list of people with a knee-jerk reaction as well. I usually let things go but sometimes, things really need to be said.

 

[Rach84]

As I have worked with animals for most of my life mainly in various rescue venues! I've always thought they should bring back dog licences an licences for other if not all animals. This would deter some people who don't get pets for the right reasons an make people think harder before taking a pet on. This in turn would take some if the money attraction away from aimlessly breeding to earn a few extra quid. Pets are a blessing in our lives they love us unconditionally an most deserve so much more than they get xx