Rest In Peace 34 guineapigs :(

[Leoseb27]

A lot of stones being thrown in this thread. Glad to see other people aren't aloud to have options without persecution. It's why I stopped adding to the forum.

But back to the subject. Sorry for your loss, and the attacks you probably didn't need today.

 

[CavyMama]

Ok guys from what im gathering they werent living outside it was just grazing time.

So you're saying she keeps over 34 guinea pigs inside? It's been said here that houses in the UK are smaller than in the US so how in the world is she supposedly keeping over 34 pigs inside?

No she has more then 34 guineapigs and disaster struck again this morning. Another 12 guineapigs were killed as they werent fast enough, 2 of the 12 were another cavy studs piggies. 29 being pedigree.

OMG are you seriously telling us that after the last attack, she continued to put the pigs in harm's way and lost MORE because of it? And you call her a responsible pig owner??? I thought maybe she had learned her lesson after last time. Apparently not. Not sure why it was important to mention that 2 were studs and 29 were pedigree. A loss is a loss, regardless.

Why does she have so many guineapigs? Because she is an actual breeder. She doesnt backyard breed she breeds pigs to get them to the best and she does a real good job at it.

Really. So she has studied genetics, has she? She's aware of what traits to look for and what to avoid? She knows about roan and lethal pigs? Is she also aware of how many homeless pigs there are in shelters and rescues that are euthanized because they weren't adopted and space was lacking? Is she at all concerned about those pigs?

Sure, she's a breeder but why does a breeder need 34 pigs? What can she possibly gain by having so many? Is she planning to sell them? Breed them more? How many will be too many? What is her ceiling for pigs?

This is a horrible day but she tracked the dog to the owner and today council will be putting the dog down hopefully. I feel sorry for the dog but the owner did not secure him in his backyard and so its the owners fault IMO.

Sure, the dog owner's fault. She should keep in mind that even if the dog had gotten loose, had she been keeping her pigs indoors, they would have been safe from the attack. So whose fault is it...really?

So for the sake of all 46 guineapigs that died in the last 2 days, back off! I dont want to read anymore do this do that its their fault.

For the sake of the rest of her pigs, she needs to move them inside. It's her own fault if she doesn't learn a lesson from this tragedy.

You dont know the whole story

What more could there possibly be to the story? She is a breeder, has an inordinate number of pigs, kept outdoors, they were attacked by a dog because of it.

From now on, you dont like this page then leave. This was made for the guineapigs that are now gone nothing can bring them back.

It sounds a little like you're the one who doesn't like this page. You start a thread announcing that 34 pigs died needlessly because a woman kept them outdoors and don't like that people have a problem with this? Am I missing something here?

 

[piggypuppylove]

Her comments about the dog(s) anger me to no end. I am the owner of dogs and guinea pigs... the guinea pigs are kept safely away from the dogs. If I were to put my guinea pigs where my dogs could get to them, and they were killed... I would not blame my dogs. I would blame myself and my dogs would not be punished. To threaten to kill an animal because it acted according to instinct is complete foolishness. Should the dog(s) be allowed to run loose? Absolutely not! But these guinea pigs (prey animals) should not have been outside where dogs and other animals could harm them.

 

[Cavycuties]

I feel really bad for the piggies but I really hope the dog is not put down, it is in dogs instinct to hunt rodents. I understand the accident happening one time and they did not know the habitat for the pigs was unsafe but then a SECOND time! are you kidding me?! if you got 34 piggies killed why would you still keep them in harms way!!??!!?! rip, poor piggies

 

[Leoseb27]

Let's bring down the companies who make hutches for small animals to live outside!! Clearly there sending the message that these animals could live out there. And let's get PETA involved! There extreme and would take the proper action!

 

[CavyMama]

This article was posted on this forum yesterday. Another great reason and more evidence that housing pigs outside is a bad idea. (broken link removed)

 

[Lord_aperture]

Let's bring down the companies who make hutches for small animals to live outside!! Clearly there sending the message that these animals could live out there. And let's get PETA involved! There extreme and would take the proper action!

Can't tell if you meant this as sarcasm, but thats actually what a lot of people want. To get the companies to stop making hutches and to stop sending the massage that hutches are fine.

But you know with out the crazy PETA people...

 

[Leoseb27]

This article was posted on this forum yesterday. Another great reason and more evidence that housing pigs outside is a bad idea. (broken link removed)

Is this relevant to the story? Sounds completely different.. Or is this just to give more horror for people to complain about?

 

[CavyMama]

Is this relevant to the story? Sounds completely different.. Or is this just to give more horror for people to complain about?

Well, it's relevant in that the pigs were housed outside and were killed just like the 34 mentioned by the original poster. What is "completely different" about it? It's the same scenario.

 

[F1uffy]

Wow, I sure as hell kicked a hornets nest in here huh?!!

I was going to leave this forum last night but thought maybe stepping away and sleeping on it would calm me down. However - after reading how ridiculous this thread has become, I am more and more irritated by how blind some people can be!

I joined this forum for support and advice, infact, after being here a few weeks, I get a notice that pops up saying

"You are seeing this message because you are a Cavy Slave member of this forum, that is, you've been online for a while and have been active........

.......We want to ENCOURAGE new people to participate and stick around......

......we need to give our new members a chance to explore the forum without being put into a defensive or offended frame of mind.....

So, LET IT GO. Back off. Encourage them in positive way, but don't dig for dirt. Do NOT ask them where they got their guinea pig(s) so that we can start to get them to see the light right away! You certainly don't need to encourage practices we don't support either, but let them get comfortable on the forum, first.

Your support in making the forum a friendlier place to participate is GREATLY appreciated!"

What a joke!!! There is no compromise on this forum, you are so convinced that your way is the ONLY way that you cannot imagine that anyone else could possibly be right and quite frankly that is sad.... I do hope none of you fall from your pedestals as its a long way down and it's really gonna' hurt!

As for the 'treating your furbabies JUST like children.... PLEASE!!!! They are ANIMALS!!!! Yes I love my animals, but you cannot compare their existence with that of a child.... That's just nuts...let me just scratch the tip of your double-standards iceburg - You'll house, love and treat your piggies like your kids....really, so how many of you are going to have your children 'fixed' or ensure you keep them in single-sex communities for their entire life..... Instinct is to procreate after all... You are denying your piggies that basic urge!... Nevermind piggies, we all know there are far too many humans on the planet, and quite frankly, we are messing the place up, so c'mon, get your kids booked in.... no??? I didn't think so!

I shall be leaving this forum now (funnily enough, I am not the only person who has done this recently...and as for forum-members attacking a new joiner yesterday to the point he joined and left in one day - you should be ashamed of yourselves!!)
I have no more time to waste on a bunch of anonymous keyboard-warriors.... Have a lovely day, I'm outta this nut-house!

Ciao

 

[HannibalLecter]

Is this relevant to the story? Sounds completely different.. Or is this just to give more horror for people to complain about?

A sad reminder of how often it happens, and to not disregard humans as predators.
It's very relevant in the discussion of housing & proper care & safety.
And yes, unnecessary & easily prevented deaths of innocent animals is something to "complain about".

 

[CavyMama]

Wow! @F1uffy , if you are through with your tantrum and have gotten it out of your system, we can continue.

First, we did not "dig for dirt", it was posted for us right out in the open in the very first post. How should we react to the news that 34 pigs were attacked and killed and then 12 more died the same way because they were housed outside? If by "our way" you mean keeping them housed inside and out of harms way, then yes, we support that this is a good way to care for pigs.

Where did we say that we fix our pigs? If we keep them with same sex pigs, there's no reason to have them fixed. Of course, we could take your suggestion and allow them to procreate at will and end up with over 34 pigs like the woman in the original post. Then where would we be? Adding to the overpopulation problem.

As for "denying them their basic urge" - you talk about not treating them like people. You way of thinking, that not allowing them to procreate at will is "denying them" anything, is humanizing them in the purest form. If we allowed them to just have at it as they would, do you realize how much worse the overpopulation problem would be? We are trying to be part of the SOLUTION, not the PROBLEM.

 

[Leoseb27]

Well, it's relevant in that the pigs were housed outside and were killed just like the 34 mentioned by the original poster. What is "completely different" about it? It's the same scenario.

My point is its a completely different story..

 

[Leoseb27]

You all are just as bad as PETA. I'm outta this forum, peace

 

[CavyMama]

My point is its a completely different story..

How so? In both situations, pigs were kept outside and were killed. The fact that it was a person and not a dog that attacked them, makes no difference. It's a lesson in why keeping them outside is a bad idea.

 

[HannibalLecter]

My point is its a completely different story..

Every death is a "completely different story" according to you then. Shall we all close our eyes & ignore the root of the problem, which is how outside housing every year kills hundreds of animals?

 

[traceyennis]

I'm also from the UK and have to say how shocked I am that a lot of members have spent time on this thread criticising a good guinea pig owner for housing her pigs outside and someone even going so far as to say bullocks to cultural divide! Sorry but I think that's a terrible attitude to have!

In the UK it is common practice to house guinea pigs outside. I have chosen to house my pigs indoors but I would never disrespect or tell someone who chooses to house guinea pigs outdoors that they are bad pet owners!

This thread has really concerned me with the negative attitude of some pig owners - how do you justify insulting people and making them leave the forum?!?! Surely the whole point of this forum is to educate people and to give advice?! Giving someone advice and expressing your own opinion does not mean that the other person should then follow your advice and that if they then don't that they are automatically bad pet owners!!!

 

[pinky]

My grandmother winces at me holding a rat or guinea pig, so yes, I'm sure she'd wince at witnessing a declawing, or any other surgical procedure. I honestly doubt that declawing will ever be completely banned, as there is no hint that even docking will be banned in the near, or far, future.

As far for it not justifying, it may not for you, but it does for her. And if you carefully check my posts above, you would have seen that it said that I would not have done it if it was me. It is not for pleasure, either, as I have told you multiple times now.

Also, I did not say it was "only" phalanges. I was correcting you saying that it was part of a bone. It is not part, it is all of one the bones in a paw, the distal phalange in all digits. It would seem that you, not myself, don't understand what declawing truly is, and how it is performed. I have seen declawing done, I know how it is.

Yes, it's like taking off the top digit of one of our fingers. That's my point! Thank you for acknowledging what it really is. It's legal but it is very cruel and inhumane. There are still a lot of declawed cats that you can find in shelters or rescues. Once they're declawed and in a shelter, their future is more at risk because they are dependent on a new, unknown owner that might not keep them indoors. Until the procedure is outlawed, it would be better to adopt a declawed one instead of inflicting that torture on another one. I believe there are quite a few cities in CA that have banned declawing. I do believe the ban will spread as more people understand that declawing doesn't only remove nails. There's now a $20,000 fine for declawing cats in Israel. It's a sad statement that we continue this horrific practice in this country.

 

[PigPandemonium]

Again, just because something is "Common" doesn't mean it's right. If it was common to go around robbing people, would you do it if you knew it was wrong? I hope not! We've told this member that even though it may be common, it's bad for her pigs, yet she has done nothing. Opinions are welcome, however once someone talks about putting their pigs' lives at stake by housing them in an unsafe environment I'm not just going to let that go.

 

[NarwhalsRock]

Declawing is HORRIBLE! My family doesn't do it. My mom had her cats declawed before she knew what happened, and she never did it again!


Rest in peace, little piggies! Whistles will be there to welcome you and show you there the best peppers are!