Simple Question

[PiggieMamaKelly]

Slave to the wheek, you had me laughing out loud. I was expecting you to say something deep and pet store related... that was funny. For me that's right up there with when people say "I could care less", which is actually saying you DO IN FACT CARE. If you didn't care you would say "I couldn't care less". See, we all have something little that gets us every time!

But more on topic, this really isn't an issue that you can be so myopic about. If you don't see the bigger picture, you will end up doing more harm than good. The attitude of saving "just that one poor petstore pig" does nothing positive for animal welfare as a whole. And it really does take conviction and strength to live with the big picture in mind. I was so disappointed this week. I'd been going to this cute new petstore in town that is only a quarter mile from my house. No animals, lots of supplies (including oxbow), and a nice store owner. A few days ago I walked in to see turtles, lizards and snakes. Ugh. Now, despite the convenience I will be going back to another shop across town.

 

[Slave to the Wheek]

more OT..

A few days ago I walked in to see turtles, lizards and snakes. Ugh. Now, despite the convenience I will be going back to another shop across town.

If it were me, I'd make sure the pet store knows that I'm taking business elsewhere too...

 

[Ruftybear]

This consideration probably takes us slightly off topic, but to me the ethical treatment of animals and the ethical treatment of humans really shouldn't be separate issues.

I couldn't agree with you more!!

 

[Ruftybear]

I am sorry but I am one of those who would have taken the piggy, so shoot me if you want. I would however have been tempted to go to the newpapers to ask if they would run a story about the appauling condition pet store animals live in, and the breeders who contribute to the problem.

This piggy would have been a perfect example, and opportunity to highlight the down side of buying from pet stores, and educated others about what actually happens. It would also have been a great time to let people know about the shelters and adoption option. I am only new to owning piggies, and I had no idea these places existed for animals other than dogs and cats.

We got our piggies from someone we knew, and took them because I didn't feel they looked after them properly. I continue to be proven correct as the animals they have continue to breed, and either 'run away' or are at risk from other animals at the home. I have been offered another 2 boys, but don't have the room for them unfortunately. It really upsets me to think what is going to happen to them.......

 

[fourbwabbys]

There's no need to close the thread. Anyone who doesn't wish to post on this thread anymore of course doesn't have to.

 

[exsNohs]

The person that starts the thread should have the right to close it if they want to, though.

 

[standuprookie]

Why? No other forum I know does that. Like wabbys said if they don't want to post they don't have to.

 

[exsNohs]

How do moderators become moderators, anyway??

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Why? No other forum I know does that. Like wabbys said if they don't want to post they don't have to.

I use other forums that allow only the person who created it [[and mods, of course]] to delete it. This is the only one [[that I'VE used]] that doesn't allow you to. It'd be great if they did. Yes, they don't have to comment, but basically people just continue to talk about her story and if she wants them to stop talking about her or refering to her, I think she should have the right to stop it. I mean, the mods delete things all the time.. I understand why, but still..

 

[daftscotslass]

That's right, close a discussion so that the opening poster can't hear what they don't want to hear. If you don't want to hear any more about it, don't post. It's simple.

The moderators became the moderators because they know their stuff when it comes to cavies, respect the values of what this forum stands for and are trusted greatly by the person that owns it.

 

[VoodooJoint]

If someone is going to post something controversial on a forum, and they don't like the feedback they get, then that's their problem.

We do not close threads unless necessary. We do not delete posts and threads without good reason.

This thread has brought many good points to light. It gives people something to think about and may cause them to change the ways they do things. The information is invaluable and if this thread was closed when it was requested then a lot of that info would not be here.

What is done, is done. If a difference is truely wanted to be made then either the petshop should be made to pay for any vet bills and/or a letter to the editor or article should be written highlighting this store's bad practices.

In short SOMETHING should be done. One animal was gotten out of that situation. Does anyone really think that any of the other animals will be treated better? It's obvious then no one can "rescue" all of those animals by buying them. That would accomplish nothing. So what are you going to do? Ignore them? The only way to change things is to make it stop. Get the media involved, picket the store, put up fliers, whatever it takes but without a follow up your "good deed" in getting this one animal out of there means nothing and your conviction doesn't go far.

 

[CBrewton5]

There's no need to close the thread. Anyone who doesn't wish to post on this thread anymore of course doesn't have to.

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No there's no need to close the thread, let's just let the bashing continue until someone that actually matters is the one getting bashed. Reasonable debate and discussion ended a few pages back *sigh*

 

[Percy's Mom]

Nope, threads don't get closed just because someone asks for it. They might get closed because they've becomes really offensive or if someone is spamming. This thread meets neither of those criteria. What goes on on other forums really doesn't matter here.

The moderators became the moderators because they know their stuff when it comes to cavies, respect the values of what this forum stands for and are trusted greatly by the person that owns it.

In a nutshell, this covers it. More for the second two reasons than the first though. I'm still learning things daily around here.

 

[exsNohs]

That's right, close a discussion so that the opening poster can't hear what they don't want to hear. If you don't want to hear any more about it, don't post. It's simple.

The moderators became the moderators because they know their stuff when it comes to cavies, respect the values of what this forum stands for and are trusted greatly by the person that owns it.

No, I never said to close it so she couldn't hear all the good information. I said that she should have the right to close her OWN thread or have it shut down if she wanted to. She ALREADY got the information she wanted and needed. When there starts being a lot of negative energy though.. it makes people not want to use the site anymore, which i dont think the people who run it want that. And that ecspecailly sucks for the people who actually are here to use and need that information. A lot of sites ask people for feedback from users just to see what people like or how to make things better. There's nothing wrong with me mentioning that that might be a nice thing to add. I NEVER said they didn't have good knowledge or anything. I was just talking to percy's mom in chat and she explained it for me, anyhow.

 

[PiGgIeCrAzYBaBy]

Ok, I asked this thread closed because I'm sick of people acting like I'm the devil because I did what I thought was right. I think some of you people are absoulutely crazy. I joined this site for help on cages and feeding and care and I am a fool for even asking about this pig, I should have gone with my gut on this, not waste time. I am happy with my choice and trying to tell me what I did was wrong isn't going to help. I heard what you had to say and I took it into consideration. But he's not going back to that store and I'm not buying from there. The pig is almost a year old and they've had him for several months, I don't blame them for asking for some money, because no matter how poorly they cared for him, he was still fed and given water and feeding him and the few cage cleanings he had still cost money. So really the 5 dollars I "spent" on him went to the fees of the mediocre (sp.?) care he was given. I'm not an idiot and I would appricate it if everyone would stop treating me like one. I posted in the Kitchen because I didin't know where else to post this, and I figured that the Mods. would move it anyways even if I had posted it in another place as I had the feeling that the discussion would become heated. I don't know why I bothered asking.

 

[fourbwabbys]

Being a member for 5 months, you know what this forum stands for. Did you expect a different response when you tell us you're buying a pig from a pet store that still sells animals? Most of this thread didn't even have anything to do with the original question, it turned more into a debate of other issues.

 

[standuprookie]

This forum is anti-breeding and anti-petstore, you knew this when you posted, you asked what we thought and we told you. And you only waited for 6 replies until you bought the guinea pig.

 

[PiGgIeCrAzYBaBy]

It was then or never. I didn't have time to wait for more people to answer me. Yes, I know what the forum stands for and I made a mistake posting about this (how many times must I say it?). I knew what was going to happen and I still opened my big mouth. Maybe you have a right to treat me like an idiot, it was idiotic to say anything. I'm done justifying what I did, what's done is done and I'm offically done posting on this topic (even though I started it), unless someone makes a jibe at me then I will be forced to defend myself, so as long as you don't talk about me or to me I don't care what you say.

 

[standuprookie]

piggiecrazybaby, I have one question, has the guinea pig you bought gotten any vet care yet?

 

[PiggieMamaKelly]

piggiecrazy, I think you are a very caring person who just wanted to help a guinea pig you thought needed you. This thread turned into a discussion that was less about you in particular and more about this topic in general. I think it is unfair of you to be getting so upset about the answers you've gotten. Don't ask a question that you don't want to hear the answer to. If I ask my husband if I look fat in my pants and he says yes, I have no right to be upset with him for answering.