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    Simon's Medical Thread.

    Well, here we are again.

    Some of you may remember that when I first picked Simon up, his former owner told us that she'd given him a bath, and he got a faceful of water. He was very congested sounding, and after a period of waiting to see if it would clear on it's own we took him to the vet.

    At that time, he was prescribed Sulfatrim as a precaution, and it did seem to improve.

    Fast forward until now.

    The congestion never did seem to go away. Occasionally, when he sneezed there would be a line of white mucus coming from one nostril. His weight was always stable, his eyes were a little crusty from time to time and he always had an appetite. The day he came to live with us, he was 967 grams. He has gone as high as 1030, about a week ago.

    He was taken again to the vet a few weeks ago, because I just wanted him to be better. He was put on Baytril (which immediately put me on guard, considering every single pig I've ever had on Baytril has reacted poorly to say the least).

    Simon seemed to thrive. He never lost any appetite. The congestion seemed to abate, while never completely disappearing. His weight was stable. When he went back to the vet for checkup after being on the Baytril for 10 or 11 days, he had GAINED weight from the previous visit. This shocked me AND his vet. I was hoping for the best.

    Simon finished his Baytril Monday night this week. Since that time, his weight has continued to slide. His eyes have been crustier. The congestion has returned, and doesn't seem to abate. It's not in his lungs. His heart and lungs sound clear. This morning, I weighed him again. Friday last week he was 1030 grams. Today, 973. The water bottles were untouched during the night last night, and this is NOT normal. There is always a noticeable decrease in water from evening to morning.

    He has been eating hay and pellets today. I gave them a couple of fresh toilet paper tubes and I actually saw Simon playing with one and throwing it around a short time ago. This is new for him.

    I am trying to get him back in to the vet for Monday. Needless to say, I am at my wits end. Is it too much to ask for two happy, healthy pigs?

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Oh man. So sorry there's yet another one with issues! I think they know you'll stop at nothing to help them? Animals choose us as much as we choose them. Bella, Bianka and I will be praying for him especially Monday. Xx

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    I weighed him just before bedtime. 954. So he's lost even more weight. He nibbles at hay and takes the odd sip or two of water but that's all. I gave him a full 12cc syringe of Critical Care, also offered him a nice cucumber slice which he ate all of. He ate some of the bedtime veggies. He seems rather lethargic tonight. Doing everything I can.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guinea Pig Papa View Post
    I weighed him just before bedtime. 954. So he's lost even more weight. He nibbles at hay and takes the odd sip or two of water but that's all. I gave him a full 12cc syringe of Critical Care, also offered him a nice cucumber slice which he ate all of. He ate some of the bedtime veggies. He seems rather lethargic tonight. Doing everything I can.
    Praying for you all, sending you all strength and positive energy! Xx

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    So, I had some Sulfatrim left over from Simon's first vet visit at the beginning of June. I'm really not sure of the shelf life of this stuff, but at the rate Simon was deteriorating I had nothing to lose. I believe he would have been critical by this morning.

    I started the Sulfatrim again yesterday morning when it became apparent that this was serious. He got two doses 12 hours apart yesterday, and a third this morning. I gave him a full syringe of Critical Care yesterday evening, along with some water. I laid in bed watching tv with him on my chest for some time last night, and he just collapsed there. It brought back some very painful recent memories indeed.

    I didn't sleep well. I checked the piggie camera several times, and saw that Simon was up twice, at 1230 and around 330. He was eating pellets, some hay and drinking water. I got up and weighed him at 0430 and he was holding stable at 954 grams. He was still 954 at 0630 when I started my day.

    He got his meds this morning, some supplemental vitamin C and a slice of red pepper. Simon has never been very big on peppers, but he IS coming around. Today, to my surprise he ate almost half of his slice. Good start.

    I weighed him again just before 9 when I left, and he was at 948. I kept checking the camera while I was gone and he seemed to be eating and drinking roughly every two hours. When I got home at 230pm, he was STILL at 954 and I was told that he pooped up a storm this morning. Good news! Seems he's eating and drinking enough to stabilize himself.

    Will update again either tonight or tomorrow, hopefully post vet visit.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Just out of curiosity, has anyone else ever had a pig with a stubborn sinus infection? Any suggestions on what helped their pig, and duration of antibiotics needed to finally get rid of it? Two weeks on .25ml of Baytril is what he just finished Monday night last week, and 5 days later he was terribly ill.

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    I had one that we had to nebulize with gentamycin and a steroid to get cleared up.

    It's as much the particular antibiotic the pig is on as it is how long. If the AB isn't effective against that organism, they can take the med forever and have it do no good.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Well, so far we tried Sulfatrim in June. Helped but didn't get rid of it. He just had two weeks of Baytril. Again helped but back 5 days after finishing. He has improved with the Sulfatrim again, but don't know if I trust it now.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    He may need a combo, like Doxycycline and Baytril. Or they may need to be pulsed -- first one, then the other, then back to the first again.

    Nebulization may help. It's very hard to get rid of an infection in piggy sinuses, and inhaling the med may just be enough to overcome the infection.

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    I took what you said to heart, and I am now looking at nebulizers online. Unsure if I can get one from the vet if need be, and if I never need it so be it. Having one would be better than not.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    If you can make do for a few days, I have one I'll sell you very cheap. I only used it about dozen times before my last pig died, and it hasn't been touched since.

    I have no idea how long it would take for the strangled post office to get it to you, though. If you're in a hurry, Amazon delivery would probably be much quicker.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    @bpatters, I appreciate that very, very much. Our postal system is in tatters right now. I have a parcel I've been waiting for from New York State, the flew out of JFK to Toronto on June 23rd. It has yet to arrive. It may take awhile to get to me, but just with the 3 doses of oral Sulfatrim he's had there is a marked improvement. He may be able to go on the oral antibiotic.

    Please get in touch with me whenever you're ready!

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Just a small update:

    In my travels this morning I managed to determine that the oral suspension of Bactrim (or Sulfatrim in my case, also has many other names) has a shelf life of 5 years. So giving him 2 month old Sulfatrim is fine. In fact, I have Leo's Sulfatrim from February, and Punkins from October on hand as well. To the tune of 45ml worth.

    Until just now close to 2pm, I was unable to get through to his vet only to find he isn't in yet. They won't be there until close to 4.

    On the positive side, Simon's weight went UP overnight, from 940 at bedtime to 950 at 6am. He has been up and around eating and drinking more, and when I got home again at 11am he was at 963. He's going in the right direction. He's also pooping though not as much as usual which is to be expected.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    I'm so sorry you're going through health troubles with one of your boys again. I can't even fathom the frustration and worry you have to be dealing with.

    It may not be much help, but a couple years ago I brought home a 12 week old baby who had gone through an elongated and I imagine stressful move. She started coughing and having difficulty breathing 2 days after coming home.

    Long story short, it took almost 3 months of on and off antibiotic courses before she cleared up. We did different combos of sulfatrim, doxycycline and baytril until she finally was better. If I remember correctly, her final treatment ended up being a 28 day course of pulsed with some overlap of doxy and baytril. It's been about 2 years now and she hasn't had a respiratory issue since.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Thank you for that, @sallyvh. I appreciate the info!

    I did manage to get Simon in to the vet today. He is remaining on the Sulfatrim at the same dosage I've been giving him for now, with a recheck in two weeks. He did conveniently display his symptoms at the vet office to boot, at first seeming fine and then getting congested and having to be rechecked lol.

    The Sulfatrim is DEFINITELY working. This afternoon, he shocked the hell out of me. He was running laps of the pen. All by himself at first, then with Leo. This was before his vet visit. He's been eating more, his water consumption has gone back up and so has his poop production.

    Tonight, he's been more active than he's ever been. Considering the level of dyspnea he displayed on Saturday (Here is a link to that ) I'm shocked at the level of energy and activity in him tonight. His weight at the vet was 960 grams and I expect that to at least stay the same or increase by bedtime.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guinea Pig Papa View Post
    Thank you for that, @sallyvh. I appreciate the info!

    I did manage to get Simon in to the vet today. He is remaining on the Sulfatrim at the same dosage I've been giving him for now, with a recheck in two weeks. He did conveniently display his symptoms at the vet office to boot, at first seeming fine and then getting congested and having to be rechecked lol.

    The Sulfatrim is DEFINITELY working. This afternoon, he shocked the hell out of me. He was running laps of the pen. All by himself at first, then with Leo. This was before his vet visit. He's been eating more, his water consumption has gone back up and so has his poop production.

    Tonight, he's been more active than he's ever been. Considering the level of dyspnea he displayed on Saturday (Here is a link to that ) I'm shocked at the level of energy and activity in him tonight. His weight at the vet was 960 grams and I expect that to at least stay the same or increase by bedtime.
    Good to hear! Cute little guy! Go Simon! Bella, Bianka and I are rooting for you!! Xx

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    @GPP, so glad to read of Simon's improved health. I've been reading this thread but have no recommendations or experience to offer. Sending positive thoughts and energy to Simon and you. I'm looking forward to continued updates on Simon's improvements. He is a super sweet piggy!

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Woke up this morning to find rearranged pigloos. Only Simon does this, Leo can't be bothered.

    I picked him up to bring him out for his meds. Plunked him into the tupperware to weigh him, and noticed the water bottles were lower and the pellet bowls were disturbed.

    Simon is back up to 983 grams this morning.

    Gave him his vitamin C, his Sulfatrim and a slice of orange pepper. He took two bites and ignored it. Typical.

    Put him back in the cage with Leo, and after some time he did something he's never done before. Well, two somethings. He ate almost his entire orange pepper slice, then ate a fair portion of Leo's as well.

    Spent an hour and a half or so eating, drinking, playing dodge the Leo, among other things. I heard no congestion this morning, and something I haven't heard from him lately. Happy piggy noises.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Wonderful news! Thanks for keeping us up-to-date.

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    Re: Simon's Medical Thread.

    Update for Simon:

    Simon is improving, little by little now. His weight has come up to about 980, from a low of 940. His appetite is fairly good, with or without probiotics. First pig I've ever had whose appetite is unaffected by medication.

    He plays with Leo from time to time, but he's always laid around a lot. Then again, hes never really been healthy since I've had him apparently.

    I was watching him lying down today. The congestion in his nose seems to come and go, as does the dyspnea. The last couple of days he seems to have had a little more trouble breathing than he has been during the week.

    He goes back to the vet on Tuesday the 25th at 5pm. He'll be re evaluated at that time and a decision will be made whether to continue the antibiotics, stop them or change them.

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