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    Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum



    I have a question/issue.. I desperately need advice.


    I adopted a guinea pig from PetsMart about a month ago. (Yes, I know this is frowned upon.... but he was so adorable and I felt bad for him and wanted to take him home!) ( His name is Richard - est. to be about 5-6 months old)

    Last Thursday I got 2 guinea pigs from a rescue
    Elliot aprox. age 8-9 months
    and Roofus (my daughter picked the name ...) aprox. 4 months old

    The 2 that I adopted from the rescue were paired and bonded

    I introduced the trio at the rescue (took mine to meet them) and they have gotten along great...
    Until this morning- they youngest one -Roofus is trying to fight the others... Every once a while they'd teeth chatter at each other but he is trying to lunge/fly attack the others - even the dominant male he was paired with before..
    I do not know what to do... should I separate them or not?... I currently put a divider up (in my midwest cage) until I could get some insight from you guys..


    hellllllllllllp!

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    A Midwest is too small for three pigs, especially males. That could be a big part of it. The general rule is not to separate until you see blood, but you might want to look into a bigger cage before trying them together again.

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    A Midwest cage is too small for three boars. You will need to expend the cage if you want to keep all of them together. I'd recommend adding another Midwest, or make a C&C cage, at least 16 sq.ft.

    Roofus could be going through his teenage stage and trying to challenge the others.

    To keep the peace, all hidey houses should have multiple entrance/exits so no one gets trapped.

    Footstools, fleece forest, or fleece tents work well.

    Footstools:


    Fleece forest:


    Fleece tents (in each corner of the cage, also footstools in the middle of the cage):

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    I originally had intentions on getting 1 pig from the rescue and she assured me that my cage size would be fine for 3 and that a trio would be better than a pair (in case 1 dies,etc.) ! (I assumed she was right w/ 14 years of experience)...........that's frustrating! .........

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Very nice set up! ...
    I guess I will have to get the midwest attachment.. I wonder if it would be a possibility to add a C&C second level to my midwest?

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Don't do re-introductions until you have a larger setup. Or you may have to give one of them back. Who did you separate, the youngest one?

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhi View Post
    Don't do re-introductions until you have a larger setup. Or you may have to give one of them back. Who did you separate, the youngest one?
    Yes

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    I have taken the divider out... seems to have made a huge difference in size...
    Isn't a midwest the same size as a 2x4 C&C?
    on the cage store it says 2x4 is good for 2-3 guinea pigs?

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Midwest is 8sq.ft. 2x4 c&c is 10.5 sq.ft. Grids are 14" not 12".

    Males do require more space than females.

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Quote Originally Posted by lissie View Post
    Midwest is 8sq.ft. 2x4 c&c is 10.5 sq.ft. Grids are 14" not 12".

    Males do require more space than females.
    ahhh that makes sense! thank you!...
    Do you suggest adding a midwest addition? is there a possibility of a 2nd floor? Should I just get a new C&C all together?

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Whichever you do, you'll want to make sure you have at least a 2x6 C+C size (about 16.5 square feet) of contiguous space. You could do that by getting a C+C or another Midwest to add on, but if you do the Midwest, make sure it has one big space instead of being connected by a ramp.

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    If you get another Midwest cage, you can leave one side of the flaps down and connect the cages side by size. It should be one combined space, with nothing in the middle.

    See this thread. Not sure how they connect them.
    http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...-Appx-17-sq-ft!

    Edit to add: I personally prefer C&C though. Midwest is kind of narrow. With multiple boars, a 3 grid deep cage would make a huge difference. A 3x4 might work better than a 2x6.

    You could probably connect the Midwest to make them square, instead of a long rectangular cage.
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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    One warning about C&C cages - remodeling can be addictive My kids roll their eyes when my rubber mallet comes out, along with the zip ties. Getting those connectors to work properly is part art, part force. Hence the mallet. Ultimately, C&C cages will give you soooo much flexibility, based on the number and personalities of your piggies. I bought my Rubbermaid grids at HomeDepot (available in white only, I believe), and the various coro bases thru the online store (plus the support bars etc). Really helped getting the bases cut properly as coro is an interesting material to work with....
    ~ Princess Buttercup and Princess Anna, now joined by Teddy and Gracie ~
    Enjoying remodeling C&C cage for these two girlies!

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    Question Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Quote Originally Posted by lissie View Post
    If you get another Midwest cage, you can leave one side of the flaps down and connect the cages side by size. It should be one combined space, with nothing in the middle.

    See this thread. Not sure how they connect them.
    http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...-Appx-17-sq-ft!

    Edit to add: I personally prefer C&C though. Midwest is kind of narrow. With multiple boars, a 3 grid deep cage would make a huge difference. A 3x4 might work better than a 2x6.

    You could probably connect the Midwest to make them square, instead of a long rectangular cage.


    Would it have to be modified length and/or width wise? would an equal sized second level be adequate for my 3 boars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe_s_mom View Post
    One warning about C&C cages - remodeling can be addictive My kids roll their eyes when my rubber mallet comes out, along with the zip ties. Getting those connectors to work properly is part art, part force. Hence the mallet. Ultimately, C&C cages will give you soooo much flexibility, based on the number and personalities of your piggies. I bought my Rubbermaid grids at HomeDepot (available in white only, I believe), and the various coro bases thru the online store (plus the support bars etc). Really helped getting the bases cut properly as coro is an interesting material to work with....
    what lucky piggies!
    it sucks c&c cages are so expensive!!!!!

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    C&C cages are not expensive to build. The kit is expensive to buy altogether but a box of grids at Bed, Bath & Beyond is $18. Coroplast can be found at sign stores. Some will even give away their extra pieces. Alternately you can use a shower curtain and cover with bedding.

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Quote Originally Posted by NewCavyMomma View Post
    Would it have to be modified length and/or width wise? would an equal sized second level be adequate for my 3 boars?
    Second floors or levels don't really count as square footage. Mostly because there's not a large uninterrupted area of space. Personally I would make a whole new C&C Cage.

    Be aware, though, that there's a possibility that they won't ever get along as a trio. You might need to keep them permanently divided, and a C&C Cage has more possibilities to do so.

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    C&C cages are not expensive. If your cage will be on the floor, with no stand or lid, one box of grids is more than enough.

    You can buy grids from these places:

    Sears: 23 grids for $21.99
    http://www.sears.com/stor-floor-stan...1&blockType=G1

    Kmart: 23 grids for $16.99
    http://www.kmart.com/stor-floor-stan...1&blockType=G1

    Walmart: 16 grids for $16.96
    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Whitmor-Wh...locked/5005200

    Bed Bath & Beyond: 19 grids for $19.99
    http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/stor...bes/1016719773

    Amazon: 16 grids for $19.99
    http://amzn.com/B000LRBSFI


    Coroplast:
    You can buy from this warehouse for $10 - $20 (depending on the location, you'll have to call and ask)
    http://www.sabicpolymershapes.com/po...r/branchus.jsp

    How to build the cage.
    http://www.guineapigcages.com/howto.htm

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Quote Originally Posted by lissie View Post
    C&C cages are not expensive. If your cage will be on the floor, with no stand or lid, one box of grids is more than enough.

    You can buy grids from these places:

    Sears: 23 grids for $21.99
    http://www.sears.com/stor-floor-stan...1&blockType=G1

    Kmart: 23 grids for $16.99
    http://www.kmart.com/stor-floor-stan...1&blockType=G1

    Walmart: 16 grids for $16.96
    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Whitmor-Wh...locked/5005200

    Bed Bath & Beyond: 19 grids for $19.99
    http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/stor...bes/1016719773

    Amazon: 16 grids for $19.99
    http://amzn.com/B000LRBSFI


    Coroplast:
    You can buy from this warehouse for $10 - $20 (depending on the location, you'll have to call and ask)
    http://www.sabicpolymershapes.com/po...r/branchus.jsp

    How to build the cage.
    http://www.guineapigcages.com/howto.htm
    Thank you this is SO helpful!
    I think I'm going to do a C&C. My midwest is not very sturdy - I've read the C&C are!
    Thank you so much!!! This totally beats the $120+ for what I was looking at for premade ones!!!

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    Re: Fighting- NEED ADVICE

    Home Depot also carries coroplast (along with the Rubbermaid grids), both in white. And the necessary (I think) zip ties
    ~ Princess Buttercup and Princess Anna, now joined by Teddy and Gracie ~
    Enjoying remodeling C&C cage for these two girlies!

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