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    Re: Humane Society Numbers Discouraging

    In a lot of these cases there are plenty of guinea pigs around, but people simply don't know they can take them to the shelters, or some shelters don't accept them. (There are many in our area that...
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    Re: I am building an outdoor guinea pig hutch.

    I am outraged at the thought of outdoor cats because of the slaughter they cause among wildlife. They are an unnatural predator which has an unnatural advantage over the wild animals. They often...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    I think that three cases of a child being strapped into a shock collar as corporate punishment is sadly way too many. Heck, one would be too much. Abuse of any type is one too many. So yes, that's...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    No, I didn't ignore you, I explained why I wasn't taking the thread seriously. If you're determined to get snitty about it you can, but I wasn't referring to you and never said that you said dogs...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    This case was in Wisconsin, so apparently a lot of folks like to use these things on kids.

    Can you explain the primary difference in fence collars vs. training collars? Because here they're made...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    It's difficult to take the conversation seriously when you look at the lengths that people are going to in order to convince themselves that a product could never cause pain to an animal. Even...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    Hrm, I seem to have missed that thesis paper I put out entitled "Live Morning Radio Programs: Definitive Proof That A Shock Collar Is Unbearably Painful Even Though They Are All Acting -- Even My...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    So, it seems to boil down to the fact that anyone or any animal that has ever shown a pain response to a shock collar is:
    1.) acting
    2.) too young
    3.) confused or scared, possibly by wind or...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    Well, it's a live show, and I've known people that were selected to play their various games, so I must know a lot of super dooper undercover actors and stuff. Also I am probably a paid actor by the...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    The zaps certainly don't improve their singing, that's for sure.
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    Well, maybe they thought it was just a mild aversive which didn't cause any pain! :D
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    One of the radio stations here partners with a local underground fence installation company to produce "Dog Collar Karaoke" every year. They start on the lowest setting and then ramp up. If you...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    Not basically anything that is painful, but basically anything that is painful which doesn't have any benefits to it. What's the benefit of getting smacked with a baseball from a batting cage? ...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    I appreciate the words put into my mouth, but could you please quote somewhere where I said that shock collars were "excrutiatingly painful"? Or would you like to continue just making stuff up that...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    I'm not sure what you're talking about since I affirmed that I did have experience with the product and had shocked myself (and others) multiple times over a long time frame? That was discounted...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    I'm most amused that whenever someone says "I disagree with using 'xxx' tool" the first probing question that comes back is "Well, have YOU ever used on on yourself?!"

    If you say yes, and that it...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    Have definitely known drama dogs, that's for sure. :) But I would tend to think that a neighbor would notice a dog that yelped at the slightest startle. Our neighbor's dog raises a row every time...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    I guess I should clarify, when I say "child", I don't mean a seven year old. We were all teenagers and could drive.



    I have established that in a group of multiple people who tried it, they...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    How sweet of you, I think of you too. You can always PM or email me if you miss me, Paula, you don't have to wait for a thread to come up and then sit around and wonder when I'll be here.



    I...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    So as long as the dog is not permanently harmed, the training is ok? Basically, the ends justify the means -- I am helping the dog in the long run, so pain in the short run is fine?



    Well he...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    It certainly wasn't a good idea. Though kids do lots of stupid things (myself included). It is a little different because a person can be told "Hey, this will shock you, do you want to put it on?"...
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    It's a good guess, but a wrong one. As young, stupid kids, we tried the collar frequently -- it was great in truth or dare. Nothing like watching your friends shriek and flail around for amusement....
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    Re: The Invisible Fence Debate

    We used one of these at my dad's house for our German Shepherds. They frequently got out, and only stayed in when there was nothing of higher value on the other side of the fence. Wildlife and...
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    Pet Stores: Re: Petland Employee

    Hopefully you're not misremembering, but they really shouldn't euthanize dogs for kennel cough if they're only doing it for deathly ill animals. Kennel cough is amazingly common, especially in...
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    C&C Alternatives: Re: Guinea Habitat Plus

    Pricewise, the "regular" model of the Midwest Guinea Pig Habitat is comparable to building a C&C cage. You can get it shipped free from Amazon for $38, and it typically costs us $35 to build a C&C...
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