Upper Levels Should I Add A Kicthen??

Do you have a C&C cage?
We add a "kitchen" because it's easier to have all food together and it localizes most of the poos and pees into 1 area.

Picture or link to cage pic would be helpful.

I would love to see a picture of the cage first, but,
I love my kitchen!
It really makes things easier cleaning wise, and my pigs seem to like having a second level.

MrWhistles said:

Do you have a C&C cage?
We add a "kitchen" because it's easier to have all food together and it localizes most of the poos and pees into 1 area.

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No, I don't have a c&c cage It was the biggest store bought cage though and since im new I still don't know how to upload picureslol

GuineaPigster said:

Picture or link to cage pic would be helpful.

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Im sorry, im so bad at compputers I don't know how to link stufflol

brownthepiggie said:

No, I don't have a c&c cage It was the biggest store bought cage though and since im new I still don't know how to upload picureslol

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Welcome!
How large is this cage? (Inside measurements)

HannibalLecter said:

Welcome!
How large is this cage? (Inside measurements)

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The cage is l=140cm x 71cm and h=51cm

brownthepiggie said:

The cage is l=140cm x 71cm and h=51cm

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Are those the inside measurements down where the pigs walk, or just just the measurements provided by the manufacturer?
(They measure the very outside lip of the cage, not where the pigs are.)

HannibalLecter said:

Are those the inside measurements down where the pigs walk, or just just the measurements provided by the manufacturer?
(They measure the very outside lip of the cage, not where the pigs are.)

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Sorry, that's the outside! The reason is I have a pet store cage is because I cannot get a c&c cage. Pet store cages are very small, I do understand, but I don't really think they're as bad as people say. ~thanks x

brownthepiggie said:

Sorry, that's the outside! The reason is I have a pet store cage is because I cannot get a c&c cage. Pet store cages are very small, I do understand, but I don't really think they're as bad as people say. ~thanks x

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But how large is the inside? There are actually a few pet store cages that meet the minimum recommendations (especially in europe), that's why I want to calculate the square footage for you.

The main reason people add kitchen areas is when they use fleece in the main cage area, basically to keep most of the hay off the fleece & pigs go potty where the food is. If you only use loose bedding then there is no real reason to add a kitchen really, as you can't potty train them.

HannibalLecter said:

But how large is the inside? There are actually a few pet store cages that meet the minimum recommendations (especially in europe), that's why I want to calculate the square footage for you.

The main reason people add kitchen areas is when they use fleece in the main cage area, basically to keep most of the hay off the fleece & pigs go potty where the food is. If you only use loose bedding then there is no real reason to add a kitchen really, as you can't potty train them.

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Ok, well inside is roughly the same l= round about 130 x 67

brownthepiggie said:

Ok, well inside is roughly the same l= round about 130 x 67

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That's about 9.38 sq ft, and falls right in the middle of the minimum 7.5 sq ft & the recommended 10.5 sq ft.
Boys may have issues with that size as they often need more space to get along, but a bonded pair of sows will do fine.
It doesn't matter if it's a C&C or not as a too small C&C is just as bad as a too small pet store cage, (the pet store cage is much more expensive as well) which is why we recommend homemade cages. As your cage is probably large enough, it's totally fine if your pigs get along.

HannibalLecter said:

That's about 9.38 sq ft, and falls right in the middle of the minimum 7.5 sq ft & the recommended 10.5 sq ft. Boys may have issues with that size, but a bonded pair of sows will do fine.
It doesn't matter if it's a C&C or not as a too small C&C is just as bad as a too small pet store cage, only the pet store cage is much more expensive as well, which is why we recommend homemade cages.

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Thank you so much! Sorry to bother you again but do you know how much my old cage would be , I think the inside was l=90 x 48
~ thanks x anna x

brownthepiggie said:

Thank you so much! Sorry to bother you again but do you know how much my old cage would be , I think the inside was l=90 x 48
~ thanks x anna x

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It's 4.6 sq ft, not large enough for permanent housing, but will work well as a transport & hospital cage so it's good to have on hand. (Like after surgery, when you need to check which pig is peeing blood, when you need to restrict movement due to a sprain & such)

HannibalLecter said:

It's 4.6 sq ft, not large enough for permanent housing, but will work well as a transport & hospital cage.

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Thanks, I was just looking at guinea pig cages. They all so expensive!

brownthepiggie said:

Thanks, I was just looking at guinea pig cages. They all so expensive!

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Where do you live?

HannibalLecter said:

It's 4.6 sq ft, not large enough for permanent housing, but will work well as a transport & hospital cage so it's good to have on hand. (Like after surgery, when you need to check which pig is peeing blood, when you need to restrict movement due to a sprain & such)

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I waslooking at this one ^^ its 100pounds and is 140cm

HannibalLecter said:

Where do you live?

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Scotland !

This is the largest pet store cage I've found in Europe (Inside measurements: 157cm x 77cm)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LITTLE-F...CAGE-HUTCH-160cm-NO-ACCESSORIES-/300873729185

I'll check if I can find it cheaper somewhere else, but why don't you want to build a C&C?