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gigiroxstar
04-20-13, 04:07 am
So, here's the situation.

My pigs were inside (which my parents weren't happy about in the first place), in two home made cages, that are as appropriate as it gets for outdoor living (which, yes, I know and agree is not good AT ALL!). So long story short, I go camping with friends for a week, come home and find my guinea pigs in the cages in the backyard! I was furious, asking mum why she moved them outside. She simply replied, "I don't won't these rodents taking up space downstairs, I believe they stink" (to which I replied, "I just have to make the fleece bedding up and it will not smell anywhere as much as shavings, which, don't smell at all!") and she finished with, "I don't like the idea of "outdoor" animals inside." I have tried to compromise by saying that they can stay in my room (which I would loooooove!) and I would try to make more room so their cage can fit, I have said that we can fill the large storage area on the bottom of the cage with a cage for the other pigs, which means we will only have one cage but separated. I can't find anything that will convince my parents, I made up a folio of info and everything.

I have psychological issues and them being outside is causing me a lot of anxiety, and seriously stopping my recovery. My parents think it that bringing them inside won't improve my situation, but ever since I expanded their cage and added two more to the herd, I have been so much happier. They give me something good to focus on, rather than the bad things. I literally get up at night and go cuddle with them. I love them so very much, they are my world and I would be so upset if anything were to happen to them. I JUST WANT MY PIGGIES BACK WHERE THEY BELONG, INSIDE WITH MEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get them back inside and how to fit their cage in my room?

pigsNblanket
04-20-13, 04:55 am
Well I agree, I think they should be inside with you. Did your mom agree to let them inside the house originally? Maybe she just got stressed out when u where gone. Try and talk with her let her know its not safe for them out side especially in the heat and maybe you could get them back in the house on a conditional trial, meaning you keep their cage clean and smelling good and keep them in ur room where ur mom does not have to deal with them at all. Explain to ur mom that they make u feel better and calm u down, I'm sure ur mom will give it another go if u take on the responsibility. Good luck :eye-poppi

grace&piggies
04-20-13, 07:00 am
I feel as though I read these kinds of posts all too often. Unfortunately parents of children who have pets don't understand appropriate care of said pets. It's disappointing that your parents have allowed you to take on pets without allowing you to care for them well. As the adults in this situation, they should be the ones showing you how to care for you guinea pigs, teaching you the responsibility of pet ownership - not the other way around.
You're going to need to be persistent, fund low odor bedding and coach your parents on why they need to be inside. It's awful that they don't understand. Working initially towards middle ground with the pigs being allowed inside at night and when the weather isn't appropriate may be a good way to start.

cavy_jdas
04-20-13, 07:11 am
Show us some pics and dimensions of your room and cage, and perhaps we can offer some options.

For your mum, begin with a good, clear plan for how you will make it work inside. Take steps to make that happen. Get the fleece ready, write down a cleaning schedule you can stick to, perhaps offer some other bit of good will if she says yes (that you can realistically stick to). The clearer the expectations, the easier it will be. For example, don't say "I'll keep it clean" because that is open to interpretation and you mum may feel you won't clean it as well as she wants. Instead, say something like you will sweep twice a day and will change the fleece every Tuesday and Saturday, so that you both can agree to what will be done. Try to explain, as calmly as you can (write it down if you need to) that having them close to you helps your anxiety and happiness. Be careful not to argue, but keep to a good and respectful conversation. Good luck!

pocketmonster
04-20-13, 08:03 am
I agree completely. While my heart hurts for your struggle, I think its sad that your parents let you have pigs at all if they didn't want them inside. I know that's so harsh, but all of this undue stress on you and your piggies because your parents won't let them inside isn't fair, either. Unfortunately, your parents own your house and as much as it sucks and as hard as it is, there's nothing you can do in the very end to "one-up" them.

My advice to you, since you already have piggies and now that you're attached I know there's no way they're going anywhere, is to (continue) being incredibly mature about this. I don't know how old you are, but my parents wouldn't listen to anything I said when I was young because I was constantly being dramatic and upset. I'm not saying that's what you're doing (because I don't even know you), but it's easy to forget our deportment and behavior when you are young and upset. Believe me, I know. At 22, I still have to sit back sometimes and take a breath, when I really just want to scream and kick the ground and cry.

I think that if you're persistent, you can make this work. But you have to be persistent AND act like an adult. I bet your mother doesn't want them inside because she doesn't think you're responsible enough for them. What if you offered to take on more chores in return for having your pigs inside? Or better yet, what if you just DID the chores and then compromise afterwards? Or rearrange/organize your room as if your piggies are going in there, but say you just wanted order to your room.

Also, I don't know the temperature there, but it has JUST been getting into the 50s at night here, and I live in Southern USA and even that is WAY too cold for a pig to be outside. I would suggest considering a new home for these guys if your parents just won't back down... I'm so sorry you're going through so much stress and anxiety, but it is downright cruel to keep a piggy outside in the early spring....

Just my opinion...

gigiroxstar
04-20-13, 07:02 pm
Thanks for your answers everyone! Luckily, its quite nice weather around here at the moment, however, as I am in Australia, it will get cold soon and is unbearable in the summers. Just so you all know, I am nearly fifteen and am very responsible. I don't think my mum trusting me to be responsible is the issue, I think it's more just how she wants things to go. I know right now it sounds like my parents are being unreasonable, but I think they just don't understand the importance. All their friends that have piggies have them outside, so they automatically think that it is ok. I have a good feeling that better education may be the key to win them over.

Last night, I devised a plan of action. See what you think-

1. I will show my parents this forum, show them the importance of having the pigs housed inside. I'll tell them about all the diseases they can obtain from being outside, and talk to them about the vet bills we could save if they were inside. As we are short on money, this could be the point where they agree, but I doubt it.

2. I will write a letter telling them about how anxious and sad it makes me feel to have them outside. I will tell them that I believe that having them with me will help me take my mind off things.

3. I will make a spreadsheet of how I will clean and reduce smell in my room. Mum loves organisation so maybe if I lay it out out in front of her, she will see the light.

4. I will make up several plans of how my room could be with the cage in it. I'll give mum the choice of which one she likes better, and will fund all the costs. I am about to post the floor plan of my room, so can you guys possibly help?

5. I will prepare the cage for indoor use, putting the fleece in, telling Dad about how the bottom can be upgraded. He doesn't mind if the cage is inside or not, so maybe a new task will help him convince mum.

That's all I have so far, but does anyone have any ideas on something that can help my room smell really good, even with pigs in it?

piggiepigpigs75
04-20-13, 07:29 pm
I had a situation like this with my dad. I finnaly convinced him but have you tried litter training

stray hares
04-20-13, 07:39 pm
If your parents are worried about smell, you can always keep a little open dish of bicarbonate of soda near your piggies' cage to help absorb odours. Also, one tip I really like it keeping potted herbs like basil near your pigs' cage. Not only do you get the lovely scent of basil but as an added bonus if your pigs like eating the stuff you can pick some off and feed it to them whenever you like.

That's the two tips I can think of off the top of my head. Good luck!

piggiepigpigs75
04-20-13, 07:44 pm
At Petsmart they sell little air fresheners

jubespiggies
04-20-13, 08:35 pm
@piggiepigpigs75 (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/member.php?u=26343) the OP lives in Australia & we don't have a Petsmart... Anyway, gigiroxstar I've heard that there are air freshners at IKEA but they're quite expensive. You could put extra towels in corners of their cage where they go to the potty & change those towels frequently. You could also try litter training but it doesn't always work with alot of pigs, but good luck with your parents on getting them inside!:D

grace&piggies
04-20-13, 08:53 pm
I have a couple of these around active airŪ Gems - Pure (http://www.dusk.com.au/products/dusk-collections/active-air/active-air-gems-pure.aspx) they help a bit, but for the most part keeping the cages clean is effective enough.

gigiroxstar
04-20-13, 10:26 pm
Does anyone know a good website to make floorplans of my room? I am thinking of getting a loft bed if I really can't fit the cage, but I love my bed so much so I would prefer not to.

Also, I love the idea of planting basil or something next to the cage! It sounds cheap and easy!

And finally, dad is on my side! He has agreed to give me a trial of the cage being in my room! Now we just have to convince mum, but i'll brave that task tonight...

SheWolfSilver
04-20-13, 10:35 pm
I am so sorry you're going through this! When I found out my son wanted guinea pigs I immediately started researching what they needed and what they could eat. It's what a responsible parent would do. We now share the responsibility of taking care of them. You've gotten some good advice so just try to follow it and maybe your mom will come around.

T1ggerPigLuvur
04-20-13, 10:48 pm
Does anyone know a good website to make floorplans of my room?

Here are two online websites to create floorplans

Create floor plans, house plans and home plans online with Floorplanner.com (http://www.floorplanner.com/)

Create House Floor Plans Online with Free Floor Plan Software (http://www.homestyler.com/designer)


Also, getting a loft/bunk bed would be a good idea if you realize that space is tight. You can buy a basic bed from IKEA here (http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/50161774/) and then create a cage on one of the beds. It would also allow you to create bigger cage. Good luck!

gigiroxstar
04-20-13, 11:14 pm
My Room in Bedroom, Office Room (http://www.homestyler.com/designprofile/f189dc36-6d7f-419d-ab5b-c70fe170a339)

Here is the link to the design of my room. I hope it works. Also, the program makes it look like I have more space that I actually have. And I have to fit the home made cage in which is about the dimensions of the wardrobe, but a little shorter length wise. So the cage is about 1.3m by 60cm, equivalent to 4 and 1/3 by 2 grids.

grace&piggies
04-20-13, 11:24 pm
Didn't you say that you have four piggies? That might not be enough room for them.

gigiroxstar
04-20-13, 11:27 pm
Yes, I have four piggies but they are separated due to having a huge fight in introductions. So there are two in each 2 x 4 cage. One pair on the top level and one pair on the bottom, with a big space in between. The cage is actually a converted desk, so imagine one 2 x 4 on the ground, and one at desk level :) grace&piggies

Fairy_Dust_1437
04-20-13, 11:29 pm
Maybe some kind of contract that you and her both agree and sign?Also when making items for the piggies you and her could do it together like mother daughter time....

gigiroxstar
04-20-13, 11:57 pm
Maybe some kind of contract that you and her both agree and sign?Also when making items for the piggies you and her could do it together like mother daughter time....

Could do! Maybe she will start to love them if she sees them enjoying stuff that her and I have made.

gigiroxstar
04-21-13, 12:08 am
Does anyone have any ideas for the floor plan? I am stuck!

piggiepigpigs75
04-21-13, 02:15 am
Does anyone have any ideas for the floor plan? I am stuck!

Have you tried a stacked 2x3 cage?

gigiroxstar
04-21-13, 02:25 am
I already have a cage built that is the same as a 2 x 4, my problem is fitting anything in my room. My current cage is fantastic, and I love it, I just need a layout that will fit.
I might get a new, larger wardrobe that I can fit more into so that I can sell my shelve unit.

gigiroxstar
04-21-13, 04:04 pm
Mum is thinking about having a trial period! I would keep that cage so clean that it shined if she let me!

pigsNblanket
04-21-13, 04:57 pm
Oh I'm keeping my fingers crossed for u:p
I kind if know where ur moms coming from, because my little boy Carl used to belong to my son's but they did not clean good enough for me so I took it over and pretty soon he thought I was mommy. And now I am! But I adore him to pieces, he would sleep with me if he could and if hubby would let me :heart: I am actually getting him two brothers next week :cool:

gigiroxstar
05-14-13, 01:23 am
Ok, so my parents backed out on the trial period. They won't give me any decent reason why I can't have them inside, so I really have nothing to work with. Pretty much all my mum gave me was, "We don't want that type of animal in the house because they will attract rats, ants and cockroaches." I have considered rehoming, but that would be really hard for me to do. I want to leave that as a last resort and maybe try a new tactic this time. I am so frustrated at the moment, I don't see the problem with them being inside. Please help, what can I do?

pinky
05-14-13, 06:51 am
I have three cages in my dining room. I don't have rats, ants or cockroaches. It all has to do with good housekeeping.

lissie
05-14-13, 12:40 pm
Does anyone have any ideas for the floor plan? I am stuck!

Do you still need help with your room? I have 2 designs for you.

Room in Bedroom, Office Room (http://www.homestyler.com/designprofile/6fb4ea20-7832-4b8d-bd31-956dc98ec046)

Room 2 in Bedroom, Office Room (http://www.homestyler.com/designprofile/e7acf262-0fe5-4be7-b168-3fcdf25f31ff)

gigiroxstar
05-15-13, 03:18 am
I think I am ok with floorplans now :) Thanks anyway though, I will consider them.

gigiroxstar
05-15-13, 03:19 am
They are reconsidering again! Yaaaaay!

koalamissy
05-15-13, 06:38 am
I really, truly pray that things work out for you and your piggies!!! Please keep us posted!! :heart:

pinky
05-15-13, 06:49 am
Ask them to read this thread. There are a lot of adults on here who keep their guinea pigs in the house. I had guinea pigs when I was still at home, got them again when my kids were young and have had them since. I remember how much I loved them when I was young and what a wonderful pet they were for my kids. My college student son is 22 and still brings one or two out for lap time when he's need a break from homework or is tired from work. Guinea pigs are great stress busters. Good luck. I hope your parents reconsider. Just make sure you live up to the bargain and keep the cage really clean.

Aertyn
05-15-13, 06:56 am
Many, many years ago when I was in a similar situation to yours with my pigs living outdoors we had a terrible mouse problem. We were catching 2-3 a week in humane traps. Funnily enough, as soon as we moved the pigs indoors...the mice went away. Why? They had a food source outside (the guinea pig food!) as soon as that disappeared, so did they. So, in fact...having them indoors didn't attract mice. Having them OUTDOORS did. Having pigs outdoors will also attract predators into your yard such as feral cats and dogs (and even foxes) along with snakes.

Renea and Lexi
05-18-13, 06:41 am
I hope there was a positive outcome to this. We live in Texas and I would never expect my daughter to keep Buddy outside. Even our dogs are inside animals and we installed a dog door so they could come in and out to the backyard whenever they want. Sometimes is parents can be ridiculous. I think if you stay on too of your cleanings it shouldn't be an issue. I agree with some of the other posters though, I would never allow my child to obtain an animal if I wasn't willi g to allow her to properly care for it.

gigiroxstar
05-19-13, 01:29 am
The original plan was that I got the pigs, and did whatever I had to do to take care of them. Then my parents started going back on that, and said that i could only do what they said with the pigs. It frustrates me so much, I wouldn't have got them unless I was absolutely sure that I could provide them with the right care, and I believed I could and that my parents would support me. Obviously not.

Having a 'family meeting' with them tonight about it. Have my Powerpoint, information booklets and evidence ready. Wish me luck!

everydaylou
05-19-13, 09:19 am
I am about as smell sensitive as they come, so when we decided to have guinea pigs I had to come up with something that wouldn't bother me smell wise. I bought seven piece of fleece, and I have them all layered in the cage at the same time. Each day, I (or my daughter) roll up the top layer, removing the bulk of the urine and poo, and they have a fresh layer to enjoy. At the end of the week, I toss it all in the wash (hidey houses too) and scrub out the bottom with vinegar until it is super clean. I never smell anything bad- just the scent of hay and clean piggies, which is inoffensive :-) I don't know how fleece is priced in AU, but I just used 40% off coupons at our local fabric shops and did quite well. I got 2 yards free on craigslist- I just put out a plea for fleece and had good response. Maybe if you were following a schedule like this for cleaning your mom would be more satisfied.

I can't stand the scent of shavings and urine soaked fluff makes me want to gag lol. This works for me, and I get to see my girls popcorning about every day because they are happy to have a clean cage and fresh hay :-)

RandomCavy
05-19-13, 12:50 pm
Here, I just found this page on here;
Cage Safety - Cat, Dog, and Kid Proofing (http://www.guineapigcages.com/safety.htm)
It has a paragraph about pigs being inside.
I hope your parents let you bring them inside!

gigiroxstar
05-22-13, 06:43 pm
Yay finally a breakthrough! Well, the piggies are not allowed in my room, BUT, they are allowed in our downstairs lounge! More high traffic than my room, better insulated, more room for floortime AND they will have an awesome view of the TV! I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier! So excited, the move begins this weekend. Going to go sew some celebratory fleece liners and cozies.

Hmmm need Dad to begin on the cage upgrade to convert my bottom storage area to a cage for my other two girls. My cage (when it's finished-only half done at the moment) will be as follows-

Level 1- 2.5 x 5.5 cage for Layla and Mina
Level 2- 1.25 x 5.5 loft for Layla and Mina
Level 3- 2.5 x 5.5 cage for Siska and Bagel
Level 4 (penthouse!) 1.25 x 5.5 loft for Siska and Bagel

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO CAN'T WAIT!

pinky
05-22-13, 06:52 pm
Yay finally a breakthrough! Well, the piggies are not allowed in my room, BUT, they are allowed in our downstairs lounge! More high traffic than my room, better insulated, more room for floortime AND they will have an awesome view of the TV! I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier! So excited, the move begins this weekend. Going to go sew some celebratory fleece liners and cozies.

Hmmm need Dad to begin on the cage upgrade to convert my bottom storage area to a cage for my other two girls. My cage (when it's finished-only half done at the moment) will be as follows-

Level 1- 2.5 x 5.5 cage for Layla and Mina
Level 2- 1.25 x 5.5 loft for Layla and Mina
Level 3- 2.5 x 5.5 cage for Siska and Bagel
Level 4 (penthouse!) 1.25 x 5.5 loft for Siska and Bagel

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO CAN'T WAIT!

Great news! Make sure you give your dad a BIG hug.

izzys parents
05-22-13, 07:26 pm
you could do what I do, and bring up that fact that its against the law to have a guinea pig outside(where I am anywhere Idk about where you are) my aunt doesn't like rodents but is slowly warming up to Izzy and Choco.

gigiroxstar
05-22-13, 07:41 pm
you could do what I do, and bring up that fact that its against the law to have a guinea pig outside(where I am anywhere Idk about where you are) my aunt doesn't like rodents but is slowly warming up to Izzy and Choco.

They are coming inside in three days! We just have to get it all ready :)

gigiroxstar
05-22-13, 07:44 pm
Great news! Make sure you give your dad a BIG hug.

Already have! I think he's getting attached to the piggies now, he mentioned making two cages instead of one...... That means double the space! :D I have soooooo much fleece sewing ahead of me.... but I'll loooooove it!

izzys parents
05-22-13, 07:54 pm
Sweet ok ^^

GuineaLoveer
05-22-13, 08:43 pm
Glad you won lol :)
Post pics

gigiroxstar
05-22-13, 10:03 pm
Glad you won lol :)
Post pics

When I get it all set up on the weekend, pics will come! Hmmmm i'll see if I can find the time to set it up this afternoon. I want the pigs inside ASAP

everydaylou
05-23-13, 07:14 am
That's awesome! Congrats!

UchihaMickey
07-25-13, 07:17 pm
ack! wrong post area!