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FurryPal
07-27-05, 08:39 pm
Fluffy and Baby are from Hong Kong.

We love them like kids!

Wildjem
07-31-05, 02:35 pm
Nice blog! Your pigs are VERY cute! :cheerful:

FurryPal
08-07-05, 09:04 am
Thank you Wildjem. Do you have any G. pigs? The blog is more like a diary for our pigs and we set it up to share the news with our many nieces and nephews all over the world.

12 years ago, I got my 1st guinea pig and mistaken it for a hamster! At that time there was no internet and it was hard to get English books on pets here in HK - so I fed my G. pig lots of lettuce only! I had no idea what G.pigs eat - but once a piece of tissue paper fell onto the floor and my G. pig ate it up very quickly - it was fascinating. Little did I know that G.pigs are grass eaters and mine was lacking in fiber. Later, I did give my G. pig away because I had to leave HK for quite a long time.

Now my 2 G.pigs have lots of nutritious food to eat. They have Timothy grass/hay, Alfafa, chewables, pellets, and other G.pig food (looks good and appetizing :-) They have plenty of fresh veggies everyday and they are very healthy.

Wildjem
08-07-05, 12:39 pm
What a great way to share with little ones. Yes, I have 2 guineas that I rescued about a month ago from an animal shelter. They were taken away from their original owners because of cruelty-not sure of the details. I've named them Kiki and Lulu after Wakiki and Honolulu where I was fortunate enough to vacation for the past 2 summers. I think my girls are 2 American shorthairs. I have gained a lot of knowledge from this site and they eat very well. The 2 girls I had before were not so lucky. Pellets and the ocassional veggie treat. I've built a 2x3 c&c cage and almost have the 1x2 upper deck complete. Just need to make a ramp. I really enjoy being a pig owner again and can tell you do, too!:)

FurryPal
08-09-05, 03:48 am
Thanks for sharing. I can only admire and drool over all the fantastic cages and space others have in their living space for their G. pigs. In HK, we do not have such space even for ourselves.

KiKi and LuLu are very nice names!

Have you tried letting your G.pigs swim? I tried with mine because I read somewhere that they can swim and I was amazed mine really could float and swim! I have a picture of Fluffy swimming in my bathtub in my blog. Today, I'm quite nervous about photographing him because I wanted to watch him carefully. It's his first swim. The next time, I'll want to photograph him swimming in deeper water with another of my G. pig, Baby.

The Magic Taco
08-13-05, 07:49 pm
My friend's guinea pig was put in a little kiddy pool once and it pretended it was a dog and started paddling around!

FurryPal
08-14-05, 12:54 am
Hi Magic Taco. I think guinea pigs are born knowing how to swim. When I have both of mine in water for the 1st time, they floated. One took to water gracefully and seemed to enjoy swimming. The other one could swim but did not like to and always headed for the sides and tried to jump out of the water. It's just so fun to watch them. Different piggies have different personalities and talents.

kat_0521
08-14-05, 09:22 pm
Hi FurryPal. I think your blog is very nice and I LOVE the pictures of your piggies swimming! I had no idea piggies were even capable of that! My girls really don't like bath time and try to scramble out.
The one thing I would recommend is not to feed a seeded mix to your piggies. The seeds, colored crunchy bits and some have pieces of corn-piggies don't need any of those things in their diet. They're mainly just fatty. Not to mention they all present a serious choking hazard.
Keep up the good work on your blog and welcome to the forum!

FurryPal
08-14-05, 10:01 pm
Hi kat_0521. Thanks for your advice ... I was wondering about those seeds mixture too because my piggies do not touch them. I bought those for them because they were marketed as tasty treats for guinea pigs and oh how I love to spoil my piggies! My piggies much prefer to have grass/hay and fresh veggies than those mixtures and pellets.

At the very beginning, my piggies did not like taking baths and tried scrambling out of the water. Now they knew that bathing can be pleasant and are very cooperative! I always talk to them when bathing them and praise them when they are good.

Clover
08-28-05, 01:19 am
I may not be popular for speaking my mind, but I felt very uncomfortable seeing those bath photo's, the water is far too deep!. In the first photo the piggy is clearly struggling to stay above water! :eek:

Also, guinea pigs should not be living on mesh because they can hurt their delicate feet. Please think of your guinea pigs well-being.

FurryPal
08-28-05, 02:40 am
No problem. The first guinea pig does not like water but he swims, he just wants to get to the sides. The bigger fluffier one loves water and enjoys swimming we think he's a duck - he's a very graceful swimmer and never heads for the sides. Guine pigs can swim.

I have only 2 choices - they live together with their urine and droppings mixed with bedding (which is a huge amount a day ...and like how it was like in the pet shop where plastic mesh was not use) or they live in a clean dry environment like what you see now. They have many hours of floor time a day and a nice towel each to sleep on.

After floortime, I always wipe their feet and underside of the body so that they are not dirty. They never smell and we carry them often. They have the softest pink pads on their feet that looks very healthy - while they used to have crusty feet when they were on flat surfaces in the shop.

These 2 piggies are like our kids and we always have their best interest in mind. They respond to us like dogs more than like guinea pigs. They vocally respond when we call their names. They come to us when we approach them. We talk to them often and they are very active in their cage. There is no sign that the mesh is hurting their feet because they run laps and popcorn often. In other words, we have the most healthy and happy piggies. At one time, we lined half the cage with cardboard but it seems they have no preference for flat surfaces.

Clover
08-28-05, 07:15 am
Some guinea pigs may learn to swim, but that dosn't mean to say that they like it .Why have the water so deep? just for your benifit to see if they can swim? Of course the guinea pig is trying to reach the side, its terrified and its not surprising because the water is so deep!

As for the mesh,they can badly damage their feet or nails. You don't have to completly clean a cage out every day, you can just pick out the wet patches and most of the poop and do a top of woodshavings (whatever you use) and change any soiled hay everyday. That way they arn't living on their own waste. Throughly clean it out once a week. A few poops in the cage won't do them any harm and by removing most of them each day, they will stay clean.

stitsy&codyPig
08-28-05, 10:13 am
They are so adorable! I'v never heard of a swimming guinea pig, that is so cute!

Clover
08-29-05, 01:18 am
Its not cute when a guinea pig is fighting for its life and is terrified of drowning!

FurryPal
08-29-05, 07:20 am
Guinea pigs have preferences. Some like water some don't. But I truly believe that land animals like that (which cannot fly nor climb nor leap) are in danger of drowning in the wild during a flood and nature would never let it happen because that may spell an end to the species. So I have confidence that guinea pigs have the innate ability to stay afloat. Before I try letting them in deeper water, I supported them and only tried in shallow water. They showed me that they can float but one is scared of water while the other loves it.

I read somewhere that while mice can swim continuously for 50+ hours, guinea pigs can only do it for a short while - and so their swimming sessions are always watched by 2 adults. The one who does not like swimming will swim no more. The one who likes swimming now prefers swimming than be held in water.

I realized something interesting about my guinea pigs. Once they have learned to do something, they always remember how to do it. Like how to escape from the enclosure while having floortime, how to shift their ceramic feeding bowls so that they can have the corners - and for Fluffy, he likes swimming :-), that is without a doubt.

But I'm not suggesting everyone try to let their GP swim. Some GPs do not like water at all and bath time is a stressful event to them, not to mention swim. My little piggie who does not like to swim actually enjoys bathing.

Clover
08-29-05, 09:25 am
In a situation like a flood I can understand land animals trying to swim for their lives out of desperation. But under normal circumstances, why put a guinea pig through that awful ordeal when you don't have to? Household guinea pigs do not need to learn to swim, its not in their nature to swim, they arn't like Otters who have web feet. Why put them through such a frightning experience when you don't have to?

I can see from your blog that you have many aspects of being a caring guinea pig owner, but I think your views about guinea pigs swimming is very clouded to say the least. Most guinea pigs don't enjoy shallow water, so in deep water they must feel petrified.

I'm relieved to hear you won't try and force the guinea pig to swim again. Seeing that photo of Baby was very upsetting for me because he was clearly trying to escape and fighting for his life.

Please think more about whats best for your guinea pig and not yourself. They don't have a choice about being plungged in deep water, you do.!

I needed to give my opinions for two reasons, one because I thought it was cruel and upsetting and reason two, any inexperienced guinea pigs owners reading this thread may think its ok to plunge their guinea pig into deep water and watch it struggle to stay above water.

Its taken a while for you to say ' But I'm not suggesting everyone try to let their GP swim' This thread was made in July, so many vistors have seen the thread already. I found your blog at another forum that someone had posted, so thats even more visitors who have seen that awful picture.

pennick
08-29-05, 10:17 am
I can't understand how anyone can allow their piggy to endure such terror. To fill up a bathtub and plop a piggy into it without any way of escaping is just plain abuse. To say that a piggy is enjoying it or learning how to swim is hogwash.

I would concede to someone placing a piggy in a bathtub as long as there is an escape route for them otherwise its just plain wrong.

Ly&Pigs
08-29-05, 03:41 pm
Furrypal-your link to your blog has been removed and it will not be allowed to be reposted on this site as long as it contains those terrifying and horrendous photos of a pig that looks like it's fighting for its life. Do you not care for their safety? Because no responsible slave would have even dared do something that abusive to a pig. There are some pigs who may enjoy a bath, but they aren't just plunged into deep water where they have to fight to stay afloat. I don't even have the words to express how horror filled I was to see that photo.

The other reason your blog link was deleted is because of the photo showing the bottom of your cage. You are being irresponsible yet again to let your pigs live on plastic mesh that can endanger them. Their feet can get caught in the holes and they could break a leg, foot or even a toe, not to mention the possibility of them getting bumblefoot because of having nothing solid to walk on.

I know deep down you want what is best for your piggies. But that type of treatment is not what is best. You said and I quote, "I have only 2 choices - they live together with their urine and droppings mixed with bedding". What's wrong with that? Nothing. It's called give them a large cage and clean it frequently. Most of the slaves on this site have their pigs bedded on shavings, carefresh or similar bedding or fleece and we clean their cages to remove the excrement.

Merry
08-29-05, 07:22 pm
I have heard of other cases in which guinea pigs seemed to enjoy swimming, and I'm open to the idea. But they didn't plop their poor pigs in a full bath tub with no way to get out. Of course they're going to swim if you do that. Instead, why don't you just fill the tub so that one end is shallow enough for your piggy's feet to touch the bottom. That way she has a choice of whether to swim down to the deep end, or stay in the shallow end where it's safe. Then you'll know if she really likes water or not. Please don't stick her in such deep water again, there is really no reason!


They have the softest pink pads on their feet that looks very healthy - while they used to have crusty feet when they were on flat surfaces in the shop. I'm guessing that was probably due to unsanitary living conditions in the shop or beforehand at the breeder's or broker's. There is plenty of evidence linking foot problems such as bumblefoot to pigs being housed on mesh flooring, not to mention the obvious risks Ly has mentioned of their little feet or legs getting caught in the mesh. I've housed my pigs on shavings for nearly 4 years and the biggest foot problem I've run into is spurs (http://guinealynx.info/feet.html#spurs). And if you keep their cage clean, they won't be dirty. Only last week I brought my Shakira in to the vet and he commented on how clean she was, and asked if I'd bathed her lately. She hadn't had a bath in months!

I really do want to believe that you are trying to do what's best for your pigs, but part of that is being open to advice from people who have more experience, and also being willing to put your piggies' needs before your wants.

FurryPal
08-30-05, 07:27 am
Thanks for all your advice. For goodness sake, I did not just plop my GP into a bathtub full of water. I had my arms ready to support them - and I did read a posting about using hydrotherapy for GP, and it was quite a professional site ... try look for it yourself, I did not bookmark it.

Admin, Please then totally remove the link to my blog from your web site (there's still one right at the top). These photos aren't there forever, there'll be many new ones coming up about my happy piggies. If the picture about Baby is making all of you uncomfortable, I'll remove them from my blog. But he actually likes bathing!

Another point: I will never let them live in their own droppings and sleep with their own urine, and eat their own fur. I actually had hammocks, house, tunnels, and even paper shavings but they always emerged wet and dirty the next morning. There's a very huge amount of those stuff everyday - and only from 2 GPs!

No matter how huge a cage can be, it can never be as big as the "wild" and there isn't the natural bacteria to decompose their waste. In the wild, they are less likely to be sleeping, playing and eating in their waste -- so, I guess that if I do not want a sick GP, I really need to keep them clean.

Merry
08-30-05, 01:13 pm
No matter how huge a cage can be, it can never be as big as the "wild" and there isn't the natural bacteria to decompose their waste ... so, I guess that if I do not want a sick GP, I really need to keep them clean.

That's why you spot clean every day or two, and change all the litter every week. Putting lots of hay on top of the shavings will even allow the droppings and urine to fall through to the bedding so the piggies don't have to walk on them, and prevent the shavings from sticking to their veggies. Grids simply aren't acceptable for piggies to live on.

Cutecavy
08-31-05, 09:37 am
I agree with Merry and Clover and the admin. You are simply watching your guinea pig fight for there lifes!! This is animal abuse and i was horrified to see the photos of your guinea pigs. They certently dont 'love' swimming, they are TERRIFIED of it!!

And you shouldn't use wire mesh! That can damage your guinea pigs feet. It seems you just thinking of what you want, you want to not have to clean the cage alot, well think about the guinea pigs, animals come first.

FurryPal
08-31-05, 04:10 pm
Cutecavy: The Guinea Pigs can swim - that's a fact. So parents who put their child in the pool to swim are abusing their child even if their child can float and swim -- UTTER RUBBISH! We are not born swimmer and we were taught how to float but GPs are born swimmers. One day, if I can take a short video of my FLUFFY swimming and post it in my BLOG, anyone who sees that would be CONVINCED WITHOUT DOUBT that he likes swimming.

I clean the cage EVERY DAY! Again, the huge amount of waste makes me think how people can subject their GPs to living in conditions so dirty and the wire mesh is also cleaned eveyday - and I was also horrified to see the amount of urine stains and hair.

In big cages, waste is not obvious does not mean that they do not exist. In the cage, I have a bottom layer of bedding. On top of the bedding, I have a plastic layer to catch the urine. On the plastic layer, I have absorbent paper to aborb the urine. On top of the paper, I have more bedding. This are all discarded daily at one wrapping and the sides of the cage sanitized.

If your GP is not producing enough waste, you are not feeding them well. Our GPs have liberal amount of greens, fruits, pellets, Timothy grass, Alfafa and treats. they are fed several times a day and have never been ill. They are so clean that we never hesitate putting them on our bed or carrying them in our arms.

I can see all your point of views and I understand how you felt about the wire mesh and the swimming. Our pigs and yours are living in a physical environment that are controlled by the conditions of a person's living area. We all have the interest of our pigs at heart and we know that our pigs have different personalities and talents. Just do not impose what you think is right on others.

If you let your kid swim and I accused you of child abuse - how would you feel? To me this does not make any sense at all.

I visit this forum quite regularly and I can see that people who have big cages are trying to outdo one another for the sake of their GPs? Perhaps. This is good business for the petshop ... more beddings, more this and that -- but if you have the time, money, and space to maintain, that's wonderful. If not, it's not fair to your pets.

So my advise is those who cannot "catch up" with the big cages is to keep it simple and keep it clean. Feed your piggies well and you will be rewarded with a healthy and happy companion for many years. We have had rodents of all sorts the last 30 years and they were different from how others had kept theirs.

pennick
08-31-05, 06:14 pm
Cutecavy: The Guinea Pigs can swim - that's a fact. So parents who put their child in the pool to swim are abusing their child even if their child can float and swim -- UTTER RUBBISH! We are not born swimmer and we were taught how to float but GPs are born swimmers. One day, if I can take a short video of my FLUFFY swimming and post it in my BLOG, anyone who sees that would be CONVINCED WITHOUT DOUBT that he likes swimming.
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I am not disclaiming that your piggy cannot swim. Your piggy can swim from morning to night as long as he has a way of getting out . Your statement about "So parents who put their child in the pool to swim are abusing their child even if their child can float and swim -- UTTER RUBBISH". No adult will take a child and place them in a pool even if they can float and swim and leave them there without a way out. So what is your point.

Cutecavy
09-01-05, 01:52 am
I agree with pennick. No one would just plop there kid in the pool and expect her/him to swim and float. No way! No one would do that. However, you still need to relised you cavy baby is fighting for its life in the bath!!

FurryPal
09-01-05, 05:40 am
No need to argue. They were NOT "plopped" -- they were lowered and watched. Please read before you comment. They do not swim from morn to night ... they were there for 30s to less than 5 mins and every second there were 3 pairs of eyes and two pairs of hands at the other end of the tub. Understand??

pennick
09-01-05, 09:03 am
No need to argue. They were NOT "plopped" -- they were lowered and watched. Please read before you comment. They do not swim from morn to night ... they were there for 30s to less than 5 mins and every second there were 3 pairs of eyes and two pairs of hands at the other end of the tub. Understand??

You are missing the point and not understanding the posts. I said they can swim from morning to night, its okay if they do, no one here cares. And yes they may enjoy swimming, maybe even love it. Maybe they dream about it. No one here cares about that either. What we care about is the fact that because piggies cannot voice their objections and because you have no escape route for them just by the slim chance they actually hate swimming, that is the disturbing part. And because you keep quoting on everything except the issue at hand "ESCAPE ROUTES" is very disturbing. The very last thing I have to say on this topic is. As long as you continue to have your piggies swim without any chance for them to decide when to get out except to wait for you to take them out then that is disturbing and abusive. And if everyone here agrees which they seem to do, you would think that maybe, just maybe, there is something that we are saying that may be true. JUST GIVE THEM A WAY TO GET OUT ON THEIR OWN. Is that such a big deal.

salana
09-01-05, 12:00 pm
If you build a larger cage, it won't be nearly as dirty. Your cage is only 34"x16", which is about 2x1 in grids. This is 1/3 of the minimum recommended space for a pair of pigs. They're probably sleeping in their pee because they don't have any choice.

I have two boars, one of whom is the smelliest, sloppiest, poopiest pig I've ever had. He's quite happy to sleep in his pee so I have to move his pigloo and hidey houses around a lot to keep him from peeing and pooping in the same place he sleeps. But with a 2x5 cage, there's plenty of fresh spots to put his hidey houses to help keep him clean.

Cutecavy
09-02-05, 04:10 am
You are missing the point Furrypal. Your cavys cant speak. You say they 'love' swimming.. how do you know? They might and probally HATE it so much !! But they cant tell you cause they cant speak. Think about whats best for them! Not just entertainment for you!!!

gourihello
12-05-05, 11:14 pm
Furry Pal - if you're still watching this thread, email me. I'm in HK too. Be nice to have company discussing cavy problems!

[email protected]

Eolith
01-09-06, 11:50 pm
Alright, I can sense that this discussion has become dangerously opinionated, but I feel that I need to add my own two cents. If you look at the pictures closely, you can clearly see that the guinea pig is not frightened. If this were the case, the whites of its eyes would be showing and it would appear much more tense. FurryPal obviously has her own opinions on the cage conditions of the guinea pigs, and I think that she probably watches their condition better that a lot of people here. Put it in perspective. There are tons of people that couldn't care less if their guinea pigs had the correct selection of veggies or plenty of floor time and time spent being cuddled.

I'm sorry if some of you are vehemently against anything either FurryPal or I have said. I hope that you will not allow your anger or disagreement to cloud your judgement of our morality. I personally have a large flat-bottomed cage, and I rarely bathe my cavies at all, but I do not think that FurryPal is abusing her cavies in any way, shape, or form.