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momomiyamommy
12-10-12, 03:21 pm
I'm tired of spending money on vets who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. A so called "exotic" vet told me not to feed hay to my guinea pigs all the time because it will make them fat. I expect this person to care for my babies? NO I learned here that piggies should not be treated with shampoos for parasites, but another vet said I should, who should I trust?? I know no one wants to hear excuses but, I can't afford this anymore! How do I treat a guinea pig with sores on them, flaky skin, scratching, and missing hair (ripping out hair)? I thought we got rid of the problem with a skin treatment the vet did but it came back. The vet said it looks like a fungal infection but wouldn't perscribe any meds without a skin scraping, which I heard on guinea lynx not to do! Does anyone have a vet recommendation for the Delaware area? Or can help me? Please and thank you.

jangopop
12-10-12, 03:26 pm
Don't feed piggies hay!? What on earth D:
That is ludicrous!
I'm in the UK so I can't go and recommend any vets to you but I do swear by gorgeous guineas products. (No Idea if they ship to US though?!)
I suppose it depends how bad the condition is of course but for treatment of sores and scrapes, flakey skin and ears, urine scald etc etc they have never let me down.

momomiyamommy
12-10-12, 03:27 pm
Don't feed piggies hay!? What on earth D:

Exactly, how did they get their license??

MrWhistles
12-10-12, 03:35 pm
Have you looked through Vets in the Guinea Pig Zone (http://www.guineapigzone.com/vets) for an exotic vet near you?

I'm sorry you're having a hard time with uneducated vets. Most of us had to experience hopping through uneducated vets. It's a pain in the buns, but the great vets are out there.

CavyMama
12-10-12, 03:36 pm
Yup, another example of how not all vets are qualified to see guinea pigs. I had two separate vets tell me to use yogurt as a probiotic for my pigs. These were both supposed "exotics" vets but clearly did not have enough information or training to know that yogurt is exactly NOT what to use with guinea pigs.

momomiyamommy
12-10-12, 03:43 pm
Thanks for your help MrWhistles (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/members/mrwhistles.html), but there aren't any listed in DE. That's what happens when you live in a place that's so forgotten about, and never considered :/

MrWhistles
12-10-12, 03:55 pm
Bummer!!!
Maybe a google search will get you something. If you find some, I'd search reviews on them. I hope someone from DE will chime in if they know an educated cavy vet.

bpatters
12-10-12, 04:08 pm
Look at the Guinea Lynx vet list. They don't have any in Delaware, either, but there are a bunch in Maryland, New Jersey, and SE Pennsylvania. There are a group of women at GL that run rescues in that area, and if you don't find a vet close to you on the list, post your location in a query over at GL, and I'm sure one of them can recommend someone to you.

mufasa
12-10-12, 04:24 pm
Do you have a trusted vet for regular pets who can refer you to a good exotics vet? I take my piggies to one particular clinic for minor things because they treat a lot of piggies and know the basics. However, the doctors there are the first to admit they don't have enough experience for the complicated stuff. They referred me to an excellent exotics specialist when Borat was going through his eating/chewing issues. If you have cats and dogs, perhaps their vet knows of a good exotics colleague.

cavyluvr
12-10-12, 05:18 pm
OMG no hay that's like breaking the number 1 rule of the guinea pig diet (well besides water)!!!!!!! I'm sorry I don't know of any vets in Delaware but I hope you find a good one. Guinealynx is defiantly trustworthy so the fact that this vet is going against some things on that sight says a lot.

momomiyamommy
12-10-12, 08:53 pm
Thanks for your help, I'll try posting on GL! Does anyone know if flaky/scaily skin is indicative for mites?

Onetwo
12-10-12, 10:16 pm
I *think* its more likely a fungal issue. Some skin issues can be resolved without seeing a vet. You can order ivermectin online and that takes care of mites/lice. For fungal I did use a shampoo because thats ok to do, just not for mites because that is painful. Fungus isn't painful when washed. I used T-(something) a human Nozoral shampoo once a week for 6 weeks to get it gone (its what the people on GL told me to do to my piggy). But ringworm is contagious to to people and other animals so you are gonna want to take precautions. Personally I would do both. Do the bath with the antifungal shampoo and then do a topical of the ivermectin. Also since he was a texel I shaved his fur off and applied an RX cream directly to his skin after battling with it for 2 months. He actually liked being shaved so we made it a summer tradition which he LOVED!



Before
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii428/xealia_photos/Guinea%20pigs/P1030740-1.jpg



During
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii428/xealia_photos/Guinea%20pigs/P1030801-1.jpg



After
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii428/xealia_photos/Guinea%20pigs/P1030805-1.jpg



He loved it after the 1st time and would popcorn all over the cage like he was 2lbs lighter! LOL

SardonicSmile
12-11-12, 04:20 pm
A skin scraping can be very useful to see if it is fungal, for mites it is less than accurate.

with fungal, treating your other pigs with shampoo too is probably a good idea. They may not show signs but still be a carrier.

The most important thing is to keep treating even after all symptoms are gone, otherwise it may come back. I am not sure how long after symptoms disappear to keep treating, but I would do it for at least two weeks.

I was told that anything made of wood that is in the cage should be taken out, fungi like wood and it can keep reinfecting the pig(s).

MrWhistles
12-11-12, 04:47 pm
I do not believe a skin scraping is necessary to determined if it is fungal. Skin scraping is a very painful process and I think most times fungal is determined simply by just looking at the infected area.

pinky
12-11-12, 04:50 pm
I *think* its more likely a fungal issue. Some skin issues can be resolved without seeing a vet. You can order ivermectin online and that takes care of mites/lice. For fungal I did use a shampoo because thats ok to do, just not for mites because that is painful. Fungus isn't painful when washed. I used T-(something) a human Nozoral shampoo once a week for 6 weeks to get it gone (its what the people on GL told me to do to my piggy). But ringworm is contagious to to people and other animals so you are gonna want to take precautions. Personally I would do both. Do the bath with the antifungal shampoo and then do a topical of the ivermectin. Also since he was a texel I shaved his fur off and applied an RX cream directly to his skin after battling with it for 2 months. He actually liked being shaved so we made it a summer tradition which he LOVED!



Before
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii428/xealia_photos/Guinea%20pigs/P1030740-1.jpg



During
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii428/xealia_photos/Guinea%20pigs/P1030801-1.jpg



After
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii428/xealia_photos/Guinea%20pigs/P1030805-1.jpg



He loved it after the 1st time and would popcorn all over the cage like he was 2lbs lighter! LOL

omg...That's so cute; it makes me want to shave my texels, too..

pinky
12-11-12, 04:52 pm
I do not believe a skin scraping is necessary to determined if it is fungal. Skin scraping is a very painful process and I think most times fungal is determined simply by just looking at the infected area.

Ringworm can be diagnosed by looking at it under a special black light.

MrWhistles
12-11-12, 04:54 pm
Ringworm can be diagnosed by looking at it under a special black light.

Couldn't the vet just aim a black light at the infected area instead of the skin scrapings?

SardonicSmile
12-11-12, 05:45 pm
Not all fungi are created equal are they? With a skinscraping they can grow it and see what it is and determine the best medication? Most people just treat pigs with nizoral shampoo (ketoconazole), but there are different sorts of anti fungal meds out there.

Quinten29
12-11-12, 05:47 pm
top tip, none of these products actually hurt the piggies or make them anywhere near upset or cross with you if you treat them with it, I still have yet to find a exotic vet anywhere near me (within a hour's drive) so i use my vet as a guinea pig, take em in and explain what i've noticed, what i've found out on the websites, on her and gl, and see if they agree with my diagnosis or can offer any other ideas, we then go ahead and treat with the suggested items from here and guinea lynx, and to date we haven't gone wrong, not only is my vet learning but i'm able to notice things and do preventative treatment, ie i give all my boys a monthly dose of beaphar anti parasite spot on, same as i do for the dog (and not the same spot on, i buy special for the piggies, the dog gets superstore brand, lol) which i think helps as i havn't had any outbreaks now since i've got em and the boys are eternally gratefull, also once a month i do the parasite shampoo (which actually smells nice) so for me it goes week 1-mon, spot on, week 3 mon, shampoo. none of my boys have any hassles with their grease glands, are all soft and shiney, and after their bath they popcorn infront of the hair dryer, lol.

miconazole shampoos
Shampoos:
http://www.guinealynx.info/dt.gif Nizoral (a human antifungal, dandruff shampoo), active ingredient Ketoconazole 2%
http://www.guinealynx.info/dt.gif Pharmaseb Shampoo (http://www.anmpharm.com/?page_id=289) , active ingredients 2.0% Chloroxylenol, USP, 1.0% Ketoconazole, USP

Topical Creams:
http://www.guinealynx.info/dt.gif Miconazole cream (Monistat 7, Femizol-M – human OTC med), active ingredient: miconazole nitrate 2%
http://www.guinealynx.info/dt.gif Clotrimazole (Gyne-Lotrimin, Mycelex, Lotrimin, Lotrisone), active ingredient clotrimazole 1%

SardonicSmile
12-11-12, 05:56 pm
Beaphar spot on (over here) is a way way low dose of ivermectin. You need three tubes for a 1kg pig! (3 tubes is 0.45 mcg ivermectin, recommended is 0.5 mcg per kg). I hate the stuff as it makes the pigs wet and oily and they lick it off each other. I am stuck using a similar product but that one only requires one tube per kg pig.

CourtArtanis
12-11-12, 05:57 pm
Beaphar spot on (over here) is a way way low dose of ivermectin. You need three tubes for a 1kg pig! (3 tubes is 0.45 mcg ivermectin, recommended is 0.5 mcg per kg). I hate the stuff as it makes the pigs wet and oily and they lick it off each other. I am stuck using a similar product but that one only requires one tube per kg pig.

This is true. It's also ridiculously expensive. Just buy generic stuff, works just as well :D

Quinten29
12-12-12, 01:06 am
Beaphar spot on (over here) is a way way low dose of ivermectin. You need three tubes for a 1kg pig! (3 tubes is 0.45 mcg ivermectin, recommended is 0.5 mcg per kg). I hate the stuff as it makes the pigs wet and oily and they lick it off each other. I am stuck using a similar product but that one only requires one tube per kg pig.

see ours is 150mcg, and 1 tube does 3 piggies, 25 drops ea, and even when i give the boys zeno 450 (the real expensive invectermin {cheapest i could find around here £22 online}) they give one another a licking and chewing,

SardonicSmile
12-12-12, 01:28 am
Okay, so maybe my reasoning was a bit off yesterday, I posted way past my bedtime (1am had come and gone).

The Beaphar is the same as we have over here and the one tube you use for three pigs is doing nothing against mites. It contains 150mcg ivermectin and you need 500mcg (0,5mg). I mixed up the mcg and mg in my explanation!


The stuff I buy has three tubes with 450mg each and costs about 10€, just not sure it can be bought in the UK. I think it is called Animec Spot on Maxi.

SardonicSmile
12-12-12, 01:44 am
I should be getting ready, leaving in ten minutes and only just had breakfast! Ooops! ADHD! Lol

Animec Maxi (http://www.vetark.co.uk/Shop/Cage--Aviary-Birds/Health/Animec-Maxi.aspx)

momomiyamommy
12-12-12, 08:21 am
I should be getting ready, leaving in ten minutes and only just had breakfast! Ooops! ADHD! Lol

Animec Maxi (http://www.vetark.co.uk/Shop/Cage--Aviary-Birds/Health/Animec-Maxi.aspx)

So I should use one tube per pig? How manY times?

foggycreekcavy
12-12-12, 09:00 am
Mono, that looks like a UK product. Have you yet treated your pigs for mites?

I would get some ivermectin locally (or online from a US company since shipping would be faster) and treat right away with ivermectin orally for mites. It requires at least three treatments a week apart.

With oral ivermectin treatment you can treat for fungus at the same time. If the patches are small enough you can apply an over the counter fungal cream.

SardonicSmile
12-12-12, 09:06 am
So I should use one tube per pig? How manY times?

I do not know if you need to use one tube, depends on what product you use and how much the pigs weigh. The recommended dose for topical ivermectin is 500mcg per kg that your pig weighs. So you have to take into account how much your pigs weigh. I am lucky, two weigh around the 1kg mark, the third one weighs 850grams, so the Animec I use should be good enough for all three, two get a bit less than recommended at 450mcg per tube, the other gets a bit more than recommended.


if your pigs have mites, or you think they do, you should treat them about once every 7 to 10 days, for at least three times. So you dose them on day one, then again 7 to 10 days later and once more another 7 to 10 days after that.

regular treatment is not really necessary, but there are people who prefer to do it.

momomiyamommy
12-12-12, 09:23 am
where can I find a scale that measures small weight? I can always stick them on the grocery store fruit scale, i guess

spy9doc
12-12-12, 10:02 am
where can I find a scale that measures small weight? I can always stick them on the grocery store fruit scale, i guess

Good luck getting them in a grocery store. =:o (I'm assuming that you are joking)

I've tried several different scales and I prefer the Taylor "Biggest Loser" Scale which is $20 at Bed, Bath, & Beyond.....even less with a 20% off coupon. It is inexpensive as compared to lots of others, weighs in both grams and ounces, and the battery lasts forever.

The Biggest Loser® Digital Kitchen Scale - Bed Bath & Beyond (http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=15947047)

You can put any type of container on top and just zero out the scale. I just use a couple of heavy paper plates on top. Be sure to weigh your cavies at the same time of the day, and preferably before meals. I weigh mine about every 7-10 days and keep track on a calendar program on my computer.

T_Licious
12-12-12, 10:20 am
I use this one: Amazon.com: Weighmax Electronic Kitchen Scale - Weighmax 2810-2KG black: Kitchen & Dining (http://www.amazon.com/Weighmax-Electronic-Kitchen-Scale-2810-2KG/dp/B000P1PJL4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1355329183&sr=8-3&keywords=kitchen+scale) I put the piggies right in the bowl and can easily wash it after.

spy9doc
12-12-12, 05:46 pm
I use this one: Amazon.com: Weighmax Electronic Kitchen Scale - Weighmax 2810-2KG black: Kitchen & Dining (http://www.amazon.com/Weighmax-Electronic-Kitchen-Scale-2810-2KG/dp/B000P1PJL4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1355329183&sr=8-3&keywords=kitchen+scale) I put the piggies right in the bowl and can easily wash it after.

Ahhh......looks better than the one I suggested......and less expensive too! My only concern would be whether or not it can handle a large cavy?

If you just gotta' have it, then the one from BBB is good. If you can wait a few short days, then by all means go for the one from Amazon. Good lookin' out, T_Licious. ^_^