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Guinea_Gal
06-16-05, 03:53 pm
this is the account of the petstore "we love pets". I went there with my aunt, used to work in a vets office, today to buy pig supplies . . .waterbottle, bin feeder, hidey house. I have never been faced with anything like that until today. i have heard about it on the forum but never witnessed what it was like in person.

the pig cage housed 2 pigs and i rabbit, 2 x the size of the pigs. the cage was an aquarium. Kids were huddled around it for a good reason. One of the pigs was dead in the corner. I have never had that sensation in my stomache before. I felt like i was going to barf and choke at the same time.

I run for a worker whicch comes, takes the dead cavy out with his bare hands, says"he was alive just this morning", and walks away. I walked out came home, wrote a letter, printed cavy care packets and puppy farm articals, they sell puppies too, and mailed it.

What else is there to say, you all have heard this same story many times, some of you have witnessed it first hand. To those of you who have not, you most likely will oneday, and when you do, it is a cold, hard smack in the face. I am asking everyone to do something about it. To see a poor animal dead in a cage is the worst sight i have ever seen. I was so close to buying the other pig and bringing him/her to a rescue. He/she looked like it was so sickly and ill, almost about to die.

I can not explain to you what that was like today. Grown adults choose to work at a place like that. I can't understand it. I am 14 and i will never ever support that store, or work at any petsore.

VoodooJoint
06-16-05, 04:06 pm
You should call the SPCA or Humane Society and report this store. It sound like they could be breaking laws.

DocDolittle
06-16-05, 04:34 pm
^I agree with VooDoo. Chances are they're commiting a crime. We have a few pet stores like that around here, but there are no dead animals, so they aren't really breaking ay violations! Bunch o' BS, if you ask me.

Slap Maxwell
06-16-05, 04:54 pm
That is awful. Definetily report them, and don't shop at pet stores that sell animals again.

guineagurl
06-16-05, 06:55 pm
What a shame you couldn't get some proof like a photo or something.

Guinea_Gal
06-16-05, 07:31 pm
Do any of you know the laws that pet stores in PA must abide by? or where i can get them. I would really like to follow up on this!

John4216
06-16-05, 08:06 pm
One way to get their attention and force some changes is to get some media attention involved if you can. If you can convince some of your friends and or adults to do an informational picket outside the store and notify the media (papers and tv) that it is going to happen most of the time they will show up to it. Its a catchy story for them "14yr old organizes picket of local petstore over abuse".

Mot shopping there is good but does not have much "direct" effect if that is what you are after. The store doesn't even know they are losing business so it does not have a direct impact on them where as negative media attention tends to get their attention.

RubyPiggie2
06-16-05, 08:45 pm
I thought it was illegal to sell cats, dogs, and large birds in pet shops?

My Baby Mu
06-16-05, 08:58 pm
It's not illegal (at least in some states) to sel cats, dogs, and large birds in pet shops.

I went to this one pet shop and the pigs had a real good cage it was like a 3x3 and there were 2 pigs in it.

DaCourt
06-17-05, 10:06 am
They are opening a new pet store in my city. Like we need another one. We already have 3 and only one of them is good and sells no animals at all. Well this new one sells all animals, dogs, cats, rats, gp's, hammies, birds....etc...It iw one fo the worst chains. So I guess in CA it's not illegal.

Sabriel
06-17-05, 10:28 am
I thought not selling cats, dogs and large birds was a voluntary thing on Petco/Petsmarts part. They also don't sell bunnies, ferrets, chinchillas or degus at the Petsmart around here.

RubyPiggie2
06-18-05, 03:43 pm
Oh, I guess I thought I heard wrong then from others. I'm happy the pet stores here don't sell dogs or cats, but last time I visited (months and months ago), they had large birds.

tinkerbell
06-18-05, 06:20 pm
the pet store that I go to only has adult cats for adoption from the humane society there and no dogs at all. they do sell gps and bunnies and other critteres and for some the cages are no very big- like all the male mice they had in one and another had all the females (they had like a 1x1 cage each if you used cubes), the hampster there are good thought they only keep one per cage but they too are only 1x1. Superpet ( the store) they do have this cool part thought- they have a nursery for all the birds! one of the staff members takes each bird out at one time and they have this huge room filled with toys, learning things and stuff. I don't know bird language but they seem happy. They do have budgies and some other small birds that don't get to go in this room, but all the other "Big" birds do. Also they don't sell the big birds they are just they for show ( not in a bad way) if anyone wants to get on of the big birds then the people at the pet store tell you a respectaful breeder to go to (they usually have to sign a contract too get one too form the breeder).

Well sorry this is so long- just thought that I would let you know that their are still some decent petstore out there that do care about the well being of their animals.

Slap Maxwell
06-18-05, 06:29 pm
No pwt stores care about the well being of their animals- if they did- they wouldn't be selling them to anyone that could pay the money.

tinkerbell
06-18-05, 06:44 pm
well what about all the pets in the newspaper- they are just selling them to make money too. I mean if they have PUREBREED puppies for sale, no breeder that cares sells them in a classified ad. I work at a vets and from all the breeders that our clinic tends too NONE have to advertise there puppies, they are all sold to people that have researched that breed or have contacted them when recommened from friends/ family.

so really waht you are saying is that all the people that have pet ads in the paper should be punished too right for selling their pets- and that means that they don't care about them either?

Slap Maxwell
06-18-05, 06:50 pm
so really waht you are saying is that all the people that have pet ads in the paper should be punished too right for selling their pets- and that means that they don't care about them either?

I have no idea where you got that but I will try to explain it.

People that offer litters of puppies for sale, or people that have intentionally bred their pet should not be supported, and the animals should not be purchased.

Somebody who is trying to rehome their animal is not a breeder- therefore it is okay to rehome this animal- adoption fees are required so that somebody will think before the rehoming (I want a free puppy!) or to ensure that small critters will not end up as reptile food.

The latter generally always care where the animals are going. They look for good homes for their pets. Pet stores don't give a crap if their animals are going to a good home or even for reptile food- it is all about profit.

tinkerbell
06-18-05, 07:09 pm
I'm sorry now that I have re-read my post and yours I don't know what the hell I was trying to get across. I think that I just had one thing to say and instead rambled on about it. sorry but I think you kind or get my point and I respect yours to.

Sabriel
06-18-05, 07:37 pm
There is also the sitiualtion of an accidental pregnancy. They do happen and people do rehome animals on thier own. The paper is one way of doing it.

Lyndsay
06-23-05, 02:05 pm
Oy!!!! Wow ok, so we have a chain pet store in town, Super Pet. I'll do a run-down of what they sell: Skinny Pigs (many), Regular Guinea Pigs (usually have about 50 at a time), Rabbits (I know the breeder, but still doesn't make it right), hamsters, gerbils, ferrets, and chinchillas, hedgehogs, flying squirrels and Prarie Dogs, rats, mice, and some other type of animal they take off the Alberta Praires and breed, to make a semi-wild animal. This covers the 'Small Animal section'....
'Birds':
McCaws, Cockatoo's, Finches of all tpyes, Budgies, Canaries, Parrots, I know I'm missing many here. They sell alot of parrot, and mcCaw style birds...
Canary Singing Guarantee

We guarantee our male singing canaries to sing in your home. Since it often takes a while for the bird to settle in and become comfortable enough to start singing, the guarantee takes effect one month after your purchase date. Should the canary not sing after 30 days, but before 60 days, return it along with your receipt and we will be happy to exchange for another. A complete version of this guarantee is provided when the canary is initially purchased.

Taken off their website.^^^

'Reptiles':
They sell all sorts of Reptiles, Snakes, Lizards, Geko's, as well rodents to feed them with....

This is the biggest Pet store in our city so far, BUT.... we are getting a PetCo this year as well.... it's a real shame, I think from this the laws are different. http://www.superpet.com/default.asp/id/39 This is the site to the one locally here, it's really sad.
Thanks for listening to my rant....

Guinea_Gal
06-23-05, 02:30 pm
it makes me sick. thats all i can say. i wrote a letter to "we love pets" with the cavy care pamphlet from cavelynx and an article from peta about puppy farms, as well as my letter. i wrote it last thursday, no response so far. . .

tinkerbell
06-27-05, 08:36 pm
so have you gotten any response yet?

Faunn
06-29-05, 10:22 am
Lyndsay: That petstore sounds horrible! Many of those pets listed arent aloud to be sold (like monkeys) because you need some license! Horrible...
When I visited GrassValley to see my friend, we went to this petstore: 'The pet mine.' They had:

-Birds=One budgy (something like that...) had an eye problem and the big birds were quiet and had bad attitudes

They even had puppies!!!

-Guineas=There were 3 with 2...? rabbits. The first 2 were female and the last was a male. The females were nasty to him, and had some bites on his ears. I hated it...

Heres something from superpets:

-Rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters and other animals like these require minimal care and space, can be very affectionate, and are well suited to apartment living.

I know for a fact rabbits are to big to live in an apartment, they need alot of space. Discusting... :P

Lyndsay
06-30-05, 10:00 am
I didn't see anything there about monkeys... yikes. I think the only thing we don't have is dog/puppies. Are the rules different in Canada that makes it legal for them to sell these things?

Eventrocker33
06-30-05, 10:31 am
That is awful about the poor piggies. One thing I don't understand about Petsmart is that they have weekly rescues/adoptions for dogs and cats, yet they still sell small animals. They should have a small animal adoption too.

DaCourt
06-30-05, 12:52 pm
Many of them do let small animal rescues in. However, I don't think rescues should participate in their adoption days because it is saying, hey, as long as you let us in to show our animals, then we will forget about what a horrible place you are for selling animals in the first place. We have been asked to do events at Petsmart and have turned them down. We have been approved to do them at Centinella Pet Supply. They don't sell any animals at all and only support rescues.

The Magic Taco
07-03-05, 12:42 am
If I saw something like that I wouldn't stand for it. I would go straight to one of the workers and just yell and make a scene. Maybe I would stand in a corner and think of what I would say, of course, but still.
PS: What (state?) does PA stand for? I wouldn't know, I'm Australian.

Sabriel
07-03-05, 07:24 am
Pennsilvania I think. But I'm Canadian so I could be wrong :P

alfieiheartu
07-03-05, 08:07 am
That sounds sooo sad I almost jumped out of my seat.

The Magic Taco
07-04-05, 12:43 am
Do mice and guinea pigs get along? I saw them in the same cage at a pet shop in Caloundra (QLD, Australia).

Slap Maxwell
07-04-05, 12:49 am
Guinea pigs should never be mixed with another species of animal. There are certain exceptions like in Voodoo's case with the dove.

VoodooJoint
07-04-05, 08:00 am
Guinea pigs should never be mixed with another species of animal. There are certain exceptions like in Voodoo's case with the dove.
Ah, But they should not live together! I consider the dove as visiting the GPs, not sharing living space. I would never house the dove and GPs together any more then I would the Rabbit and GPs. There are too many variables in diet and the possibility of disease and injury.

No mice and GPs should not be living together.

Ly&Pigs
07-04-05, 11:48 pm
There is also the sitiualtion of an accidental pregnancy. They do happen and people do rehome animals on thier own.
So true and it happened to me. I am rehoming Baby Elly aka Lil' Ly with voodoo. My parents have Mr. Wheek and Patch lives with Bubba.

X-law_09
07-05-05, 02:33 am
I think that that store should be closed for good

Faunn
07-06-05, 09:25 am
I agree, that place is horrible!
+ the puppies had to sit on hard floors with 1 small blanket and some hay... ;(

Funnygpigs
07-14-05, 02:54 pm
I thought not selling cats, dogs and large birds was a voluntary thing on Petco/Petsmarts part. They also don't sell bunnies, ferrets, chinchillas or degus at the Petsmart around here. They just started selling Chins at the one by my house, in washington state. Its sick, I went in there, the mice had sores on their backs. One love bird had a broken leg. I buy my supplies from non-pet selling locations now, I did not always. But, I can tell you, it is sick the way they do not care for their animals.

The Magic Taco
07-15-05, 09:27 pm
In a petshop I went to once, there was an article clipped out from the paper and it was about a guinea pig that escaped from its cage and mated with all the females!!!
It was cute reading it, but it wasn't right.

Squirle
07-24-05, 01:09 pm
Yes try to get as many people involved to report this store. there jsut shouldnt be petstores that dont luv animals. The only store I trust the slightest bit is Petcetera, and would never buy a guinea pig from there, but thats where i buy my supplys. There are soo many bad pet stores. Seeing that would probly make me sick too!

CavyKind
07-24-05, 01:18 pm
Many of them do let small animal rescues in. However, I don't think rescues should participate in their adoption days because it is saying, hey, as long as you let us in to show our animals, then we will forget about what a horrible place you are for selling animals in the first place. We have been asked to do events at Petsmart and have turned them down. We have been approved to do them at Centinella Pet Supply. They don't sell any animals at all and only support rescues.

I have to say that I agree with you on this one.
There is a large pet store chain in the UK which often has local charities in attendance, fundraising etc. I never have and never would attend with my rescue guinea pigs. To do so, would be condoning the selling of animals in stores.

Slap Maxwell
07-24-05, 05:02 pm
Yes try to get as many people involved to report this store. there jsut shouldnt be petstores that dont luv animals.

No pet store "loves" animals. They are just merchandise for them. Something they can sell and restock. Otherwise they wouldn't be selling them.

JackSpicerRules
07-24-05, 09:56 pm
I'm...crying. That is so wrong. Maybe it was the lack of air currculation, and rabbits have a powerful kick, too. Did you ever buy the other pig? I would of.

JackSpicerRules
07-24-05, 09:59 pm
Petco and Petsmart are good places to buy guinea pigs. I went to a small pet shop in a shopping center and they had wonderful healthy pigs. They took good care of them, too. The people who work there are very nice. They had a well-ventilated cage with lots of food/water. They only had one Pigloo :( and they had many young pigs.

amfeider
07-24-05, 10:04 pm
Why buy when there are pigs at the rescue?

JackSpicerRules
07-24-05, 10:06 pm
Unfortunalty, I don't have a rescue in my neighboorhood... I dont even think there is one in the county.

Slap Maxwell
07-24-05, 10:07 pm
Did you ever buy the other pig? I would of.

Then you would have insured that another two pigs went through the same thing, and yet another pig died in a shelter.

JackSpicerRules
07-24-05, 10:11 pm
Thats true. HAH thats over 10 characters.

Slap Maxwell
07-24-05, 10:17 pm
Unfortunalty, I don't have a rescue in my neighboorhood... I dont even think there is one in the county.

In your neighborhood? People here drive in excess of five hours to get pigs from rescues and shelters. I rescued two that were an hour away and one that was four hours away. You can't limit yourself to places in your area.

amfeider
07-24-05, 10:20 pm
Here are pigs in Maryland

http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi

anyone within 1-5 hours?

Amanda
07-24-05, 10:23 pm
Both of my rescue pigs came from shelters 6 hours away! You are just being lazy if you dont want to find an adoptable pig. It is ridiculous to let a pig die in a shelter just because it is an inconvenience to drive a little bit.

Ly&Pigs
07-24-05, 10:50 pm
Petco and Petsmart are good places to buy guinea pigs.
And you my dear are full of it. I have been keeping my eye on you guineapigs2 and I haven't really liked much of what I have seen from you. You have two pigs in a tiny pet store cage and now you say that petstores like Petco and PetNotSoSmart are good places to buy pigs. Haven't you read anything on this forum? NO petstore that sells animals is a good place to buy a guinea pig. Especially from the two aforementioned places.

Do you know that for every guinea pig a petstore sells, at least 2 or more are brought in from breeders to take their place? Do you know that most petstores don't separate their animals by sex especially pigs. Do you know that most pigs bought in petstores are kept in horrid conditions before, during and after they are brought in to the store? Do you know how many pigs that come from petstores die soon after being "bought" because they are very ill? I could go on all night. But just know gp2 that your lame excuses just aren't going to cut it with most of us on this forum.

Slap Maxwell
07-24-05, 10:56 pm
GP- maybe you should read http://cavyspirit.com/petstores.htm

Funnygpigs
07-24-05, 11:32 pm
My sister bought her daughter a pig from a petstore. she kept telling me what a cute little female pig it was. So, I went over to have a look. Guesse what? She was a he. The guy at the pet store told her that it was a girl pig because that is what she wanted. I went back to the pet store to see what kind of conditions they were keeping there pigs in. Turns out, they have males and females all in the same cage. That is what pet stores do. They only care about the money, not the animals themselves. I of course complained (to the humane society). They also had puppies on wire flooring with nothing to lay on. Pet stores are a bad idea. Please do not ever buy from one again.

Guinea_Gal
07-26-05, 09:27 pm
i have never really understood how anyone can mistake a male cavy for a female. It is pretty obvious, isn't it, unless they're really young?

toffeepig
07-26-05, 09:46 pm
i have never really understood how anyone can mistake a male cavy for a female. It is pretty obvious, isn't it, unless they're really young?It's not terribly obvious from above, and only obvious in some if you're really pokin' around on their belly and know what to feel for. Young male cavies don't have really obvious testicles, and since the anus and other orifices are on the undercarriage ") it's pretty hard for someone who doesn't have any experience to really tell.

CavySpirit's sexing page (http://www.cavyspirit.com/sexing.htm) has some great photos, but you have to know how to extrude the penis to duplicate some of them - and that takes practice! I have two boars, and if I hadn't seen the vet sex them, I probably still wouldn't be 100% sure myself!

kavykritter
08-02-05, 12:40 pm
try to contact the humane societies and animal welfare organizations and let them know, because they are used to dealing with this and may be able to help you.

Faunn
08-02-05, 01:48 pm
Who would want to buy from those 2 horrible places? Luckily, in HNealdsburg, there is a shelter that is only about 10 min. from my house, while PetNO and PetNotSoSmart are about an hour away, not the other way around. These places my seem like good places, but there not.

theOtter
08-02-05, 01:57 pm
While I agree that pet stores are generally a bad place to purchase animals, equating PetsMart with Petco is offensive to the latter. We bought our first piggy, Maynerd, from PetsMart (back before we knew better); he died within seven hours. We brought him back and got another, Eugene, who was likewise sick. After the third time we brought Eugene back for treatment (they always said he was fine), we finally brought him to a vet who treated him immediately. Unfortunately, he too died, within a few hours of his vet visit. As I told the manager when I brought his little body back to PetsMart, “You say pets are family. I’d hate to be a member of your family that couldn’t breathe!”

A few months after this, we and our two piggies (both adopted from a shelter) moved to a new town and needed some bedding. I discovered a Petco in a local mini-mall and grabbed some there. The difference between them and PetsMart is like night and day, and I’ve continued to buy supplies there ever since. While they do sell animals, their numbers are fairly small. Instead, the entire store is plastered with signs and billboards encouraging people to “Consider Adoption First.” In the front of the store is a prominently displayed directory of dozens of local shelters and humane societies. Every other Saturday, they even sponsor an “adoption day” where anyone can come in and take home the animal(s) of their choice, without paying Petco a penny. Plus, if you do adopt an animal (from them or from anywhere else), they’ll give you a book of coupons specific to the type of pet you’ve adopted (dog/cat/small animal)—a benefit not offered to those that purchase their animals.

I certainly can’t speak for every Petco, but the one in Fishers, Indiana is definitely on my “thumbs up” list. Shelters are still the best by far, but at least this particular Petco is doing what they can to help the situation.

Percy's Mom
08-02-05, 02:01 pm
I certainly can’t speak for every Petco, but the one in Fishers, Indiana is definitely on my “thumbs up” list. Shelters are still the best by far, but at least this particular Petco is doing what they can to help the situation.

If they sell ANY animals at all, they're not helping the situation.

fourbwabbys
08-02-05, 03:00 pm
my grandpa helps out at a pet store in arizona. He interviews anyone who is interested in buying a pet. It is very organized becausse if someone just has the money, and not the time or space, they refuse to sell it. I think that is great and that all pet stores should do thins instead of just worrying about the money.


Also, different pets are illegal to sell in certain states. That's why you will see different pets in different pet stores around the country.

DaCourt
08-03-05, 12:24 pm
While I agree that pet stores are generally a bad place to purchase animals, equating PetsMart with Petco is offensive to the latter. We bought our first piggy, Maynerd, from PetsMart (back before we knew better); he died within seven hours. We brought him back and got another, Eugene, who was likewise sick. After the third time we brought Eugene back for treatment (they always said he was fine), we finally brought him to a vet who treated him immediately. Unfortunately, he too died, within a few hours of his vet visit. As I told the manager when I brought his little body back to PetsMart, “You say pets are family. I’d hate to be a member of your family that couldn’t breathe!”

A few months after this, we and our two piggies (both adopted from a shelter) moved to a new town and needed some bedding. I discovered a Petco in a local mini-mall and grabbed some there. The difference between them and PetsMart is like night and day, and I’ve continued to buy supplies there ever since. While they do sell animals, their numbers are fairly small. Instead, the entire store is plastered with signs and billboards encouraging people to “Consider Adoption First.” In the front of the store is a prominently displayed directory of dozens of local shelters and humane societies. Every other Saturday, they even sponsor an “adoption day” where anyone can come in and take home the animal(s) of their choice, without paying Petco a penny. Plus, if you do adopt an animal (from them or from anywhere else), they’ll give you a book of coupons specific to the type of pet you’ve adopted (dog/cat/small animal)—a benefit not offered to those that purchase their animals.

I certainly can’t speak for every Petco, but the one in Fishers, Indiana is definitely on my “thumbs up” list. Shelters are still the best by far, but at least this particular Petco is doing what they can to help the situation.

You are not thinking clearly...IT IS STILL A PET STORE THAT SELLS ANIMALS.

Any store that support breeders, is bad. Big deal, they have a cool little slogan that tells people to think adoption first. If they really believe that, then why the hell are they still selling animals. Petco sucks. Period. They treat animals like merchandise and that is just wrong.

Personally, I don't think rescues should do adoption days in stores that sell animals. Seems like a conflict of interest to me.

LuvMyPiggers
08-03-05, 06:15 pm
If I was ever forced (Not that this would happen) to run a pet shop but it could be any way I wanted, I would run it almost like a shelter except with more supplies. I would find a rescue to partner up with and ask to sponsor 4 pigs a week in a big C&C cage with a lid of course. Then when someone wanted to adopt one, they would have to be interviewed.

:offtopic:

Tucky4ever22
08-03-05, 06:38 pm
You are not thinking clearly...IT IS STILL A PET STORE THAT SELLS ANIMALS.

Any store that support breeders, is bad. Big deal, they have a cool little slogan that tells people to think adoption first. If they really believe that, then why the hell are they still selling animals. Petco sucks. Period. They treat animals like merchandise and that is just wrong.

Personally, I don't think rescues should do adoption days in stores that sell animals. Seems like a conflict of interest to me.

You have a point. But like me, some people might not know where to adopt them so they buy one instead. I got my piggy by pure luck. I won her accuallylol . At a baby shower. So think carefully, Do you know where to get one? Search the Web!!!!:silly:

Krysanthemum
08-03-05, 07:57 pm
Baby shower? :eye-poppi That's a new one on me. Do tell. :)

smoot
08-03-05, 08:30 pm
My petstore piggie came to me pregnant. :sad: Don't get me wrong, I love her and the baby to death, but I've definitely learned my lesson.