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sloveladypowell
05-02-08, 12:05 am
I moved my 2 guinea pigs outside due to a sever allergic reaction to the odor in the urine. Well everything has been going fine,

BUT i have new neighbors, and they just got a cat. he/she has countinously tried to get ahold of my cavys. i tried covering the cage, spray that scares them away, i even left my poor chihuahua outside to help guard them. The dog outside semi works, but i cant leave my poor dog outside.:weepy: its way to cold for him, perfect for izzie and kia they love it.

its a very large 64 square foot garden complete w/ their own vegies. I could bring them inside but that is a last resort. my cavys love their garden, i have never seen them so happy.

:?: Does any1 have any ideas on what i can do, i ask my neighbor but she said it was my problem and that i should leave her cat alone.:mad: i raised thease cavys since they were 5 weeks old. please. i'm desprate. they are a huge part of my family.

(the cage is a large 8ftx8ft planter box w/ grids around the sides, and the top of a pet store cage for shelter, the cat sneaks in at night or even during the day)

pigsforlife
05-02-08, 12:12 am
I find it hard to imagine how you can be allergic to the odor of their urine. You are either allergic to the PROTEINS in the urine or saliva or the pigs hay. What is the difference between leaving your dog outside and your pigs? Pigs should be treated equally, like a family member and therefore your answer is simple. BRING THEM INSIDE! If you have a problem with smell, CLEAN IT MORE OFTEN! Pigs are fragile little critters that are not only good targets for predators (like your neighbours cat) but also can not cope with the (often drastic) temprature changes.

Ly&Pigs
05-02-08, 12:20 am
Cavies really do not belong outdoors. I just hope for your sake that you don't go outside one day and find dead pigs because the neighbors cat attacked and killed them.

I find it hard to believe that you don't want to leave your dog outside because it's too cold but yet you leave your pigs outside to possibly end up freezing. Pigs need to be in a stable temperature environment otherwise they can end up freezing or with heat stroke.

sloveladypowell
05-02-08, 12:37 am
My doctor was the one who told me what the problem was. The odor combined with my asthma is very bad combo. I even bought a $300 dollar airfliter for the room they were in. AND YES I WAS CLEANING THE CAGE EVERYOTHER DAY, using carefresh ultra, and it was a 2x8 cage. I have tried everything to keep them inside.


I have talked to vets and they say it is perfectly okay for them to be outside. This is the first time I have ever had a problem with any attacks. There are other cats in the neighborhood and they don't have a problem with the cavys. My family european family has raised cavys in outdoor enviroments for years. They maintain their temp by nesting in hay and keep cool when its warm with frozen water bottels. I have never seen mu girls happier.

I'm buying a outdoor hutch for them in the morning.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone but all I was looking for is help. Or a better idea that would work for my family.

(my puppy would love to stay outside with his best friends, but he can't deal with the cold. He is a chihuahua. He prefers it extreamly warm)

pigsforlife
05-02-08, 12:48 am
Pigs can not deal with the cold either. And I wasnt implying that your dog should be housed outside, heck I wouldnt even recommend that, just that your pigs should be treated equally.

sloveladypowell
05-02-08, 12:51 am
[quote=pigsforlife;364822]Pigs can not deal with the cold either. quote]

The extra hay provides warmth. Along with blankets for night time

Jennicat
05-02-08, 04:28 am
My doctor was the one who told me what the problem was. The odor combined with my asthma is very bad combo.

I have a boyfriend with severe allergies, and it's much more likely that you're allergic to the hay. Of course, the doctor wouldn't know just from you telling him about it. We had to go through allergy testing. He was perfectly fine when they tested him against guinea pig dander and urine.


I have talked to vets and they say it is perfectly okay for them to be outside. This is the first time I have ever had a problem with any attacks.

Maybe your pet's life being threatened by a predator is a pretty gosh-darn solid reason why it's a bad idea to keep pigs outside? Vets, sadly, are not generally trained in small animal care and husbandry. My vet complains a lot that once you get your license, you can go out and practice on any animal you want, even if you never had a class on that animal in your life.


There are other cats in the neighborhood and they don't have a problem with the cavys. My family european family has raised cavys in outdoor enviroments for years. They maintain their temp by nesting in hay and keep cool when its warm with frozen water bottels. I have never seen mu girls happier.

Poor pigs. If putting them outdoors where they're being attacked by cats, and being ignored for large parts of the day made them happier, it seems like they didn't have a very fulfilling life inside.


I'm buying a outdoor hutch for them in the morning.

I do not know of a single outdoor hutch on the market that meets the minimum cage sizes recommended here. Does this all fit in with making your guinea pigs happier?


The extra hay provides warmth. Along with blankets for night time

How does it do against cats, dogs, and other predators? Even with "outdoor hutches", I've seen many cases of animals attacked by predators. They can break into the hutches, especially since the animals are unsupervised for large periods of the day.

Justin
05-02-08, 09:28 am
The odor combined with my asthma is very bad combo.
I have a horrible hay fever too. And hay fever is very common. It's possible that your doctor didn't mention it because he didn't know the exact situation.

Some hay has a lot less dust and it helps. I use a dusk mask when dealing hay and that helps too.


I was looking for is help. Or a better idea that would work for my family.
We are trying to give you the best help there is. That is, not at the expense of pigs.

Whey you said you pigs were happier outside, do you mean jumping ups? They do that when they are in new environment due to excitement. It doesn't always means that they are happy. Beside, they couldn't have expected temperature change and predators coming.

aqh88
05-02-08, 09:33 am
I have talked to vets and they say it is perfectly okay for them to be outside

Those vets are idiots about guinea pigs. Most vets are. Sure I can go ask my local vet who does cats, dogs, and livestock about guinea pigs but I'm gonna get answers based on what works for cats, dogs, and livestock. He has killed some of my guinea pigs in the past before I knew better. Now I use a guinea pig knowledgeable vet with a c&c cage.


Your pigs will get eaten eventually outside. Maybe they will be fine for a year or 2 but even that is too soon to lose an animal that could live 6-8years. This is farming territory. Everything here lives outside. So of course we thought pigs belonged outside too. We tried every type of cage/pen possible and I'm sorry to say we lost 5 pigs to animal attacks while I was growing up and many babies to theft. We now know pigs do not belong outside. I also nearly lost some to heat stroke about 6years ago while I was letting them eat grass outside. Pigs are too sensitive to temperatures to even be put out for a few hours on most days. If it's too cold for your dog it's too cold for the pigs. Even small thin coated dog breeds are ok to about 40F. Pigs can start to get stressed and sick at 60F. This summer they will be at extreme risk for heatstroke. It was only around 80-85F the day I nearly lost mine. If I'd checked on them 5mins later at least one would have been dead. Then there is the possibility of snakes, spiders, birds of prey (common predators if your pen doesn't have a top), and other things that could poison or otherwise injure your pig even if they aren't big enough to eat them. The odds are against you. They will die many years sooner if you leave them outside.

There are many ways to deal with allergies. Yes you can be allergic to the urine but it's the proteins in the urine not the smell. You need to keep as much of the proteins in the cage and out of the air as possible. That means a low dust bedding, fleece is a great option if you have allergies, and wear a dust mask and gloves while cleaning. The cleaning so frequently is probably making your symptoms worse. Cleaning the cage is the worst for people with allergies. Sometimes you have to get someone else to clean the cage for you. It takes about 2 days for my allergy symptoms to go away after cage cleaning day. If I was cleaning everyday anything but fleece I wouldn't be able to have pigs. Go search the forum there are endless suggestions on how to deal with allergies and many of us have allergies and live with ours pigs at least close to symptom free. I also have degus and gerbils and I very rarely have even a slight stuffy nose other than cage cleaning day.

If you can't figure out a way to deal with it I would suggest you look for a new home for the pigs with someone who can keep them inside and will care for them properly. They will live a longer, happier, less stressful, and healthier life safely indoors.

VoodooJoint
05-02-08, 09:42 am
Dangers of Outdoor Housing
UK GP housed outside dies of heatstroke (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cavycages.com%2Fforum%2 Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D226480%26posted%3D1%23post22 6480%3C%2Fp)
GPs stolen from outdoor cage (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/about-guinea-pigs/10797-i-have-sad-news.html)
2 GPs in outdoor cage killed by dog (on Animal Precinct) (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cavycages.com%2Fforum%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D4584)
HAWK, drops guinea pig in someone's yard (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cavycages.com%2Fforum%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D3755)
Violent thugs batter family pets to death (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/outdoor-environments/17268-uk-pet-violence-another-reason-keep-them-indoors.html)
Thread about people breaking into outdoor hutches and sheds (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=26529)
2 guinea pigs stolen from outdoor shed (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=26659)
Guinea pig attacked by rats in shed (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=26661)
Magpies attacking GPs in their outdoor hutches (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=26307)
4 GPs dead. Cause is a suspected mouse infestation in shed and garden (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25906)
Ant infested yard and hutches (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25999)
Warning for those keeping animals outside (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25676)
Guinea pigs stolen from "Cavy Sanctuary" (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25120)
GPs stolen from outdoor garden (http://www.midsussextoday.co.uk/mid-sussex-news?articleid=2857705)
More Guinea pigs die of heatstroke (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/introductions/27081-whats-up.html)
Guinea Pig Killed by Cat (http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45168)

Summer is Coming. Should You House Your GP Outside? (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/about-cages/25502-summer-coming-should-you-house-your-gp-outside.html)
Outdoor vs Indoor (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/125073-post13.html)

VoodooJoint
05-02-08, 10:00 am
Ooops, I almost forgot to add the latest link to the "Dangers of Outdoor Housing" list.

Guinea Pigs Being Attacked by Cat (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/outdoor-environments/35782-help-my-guinea-pigs-being-attacked-help.html)

FoolOnTheHill
05-02-08, 10:27 am
Welcome to the forum, sloveladypowell. As you can see, lol, this forum is against outdoor housing for various reasons - animal predators, hot and cold weather, and of course outside, you would most likely not interact with them as much, therefore maybe not noticing illness or change in behavior. But I think you need make the best of your situation at the moment (making sure the cat cannot get to them)

I have no experience with allergies, but maybe you should get tested again, as it may be hay or their fur which irritates you. Using fleece bedding or serving their hay in a paper bag might help.

As they are currently outside you do need to protect them as much as you can. I would recommenced constructing a solid house for them to stay in at night, and shelter from wind, rain or hot sun. Make sure the floor is lined with plastic to stop urine spreading into wood and becoming stinky. Then i would make sure the run has a roof that can't easily be blown or knocked off, maybe chicken wire? If it's too large to cover at the moment I would solidly cover some of it and let them sue the rest while you are around to supervise. I'm not sure of the weather conditions where you are but you will need to adjust their bedding to make sure they are comfortable. If it is very cold/hot try and bring them in overnight. Or - better - do you have a shed or *unused* (no poisonous fumes!) garage you could house them in?

overall I would try and arrange for them to be inside...maybe a little-used room or something? Anyway as they are outside and apparently liable to attack I thought I would try and help them stay safer outside.

sloveladypowell
05-02-08, 01:16 pm
Finally someone who can atleast be understanding.

I swear I have been tested over 5 times. And the vet I went to has had cavys for years. Both indoor and out after her son moved back in.

We live in Northern California, the weather isnt bad enough yet to the point where they need frozen water bottels. It averages around 72 during the peak hours. and the low 60's at night. In which case they have fleece blankets, and excessive amounts of hay (i by my hay by in mass quanties)

I wish I could bring them inside but, the size of our house with my allergy problems is unbareable. Its only 724 sq. feet between four people. I converted my room so i could have them inside but after trying every option of bedding, 4 diffrent hepa filters, numerious allergy test, cleaning the very large cage everyday and then the outside encloser.

They are even more apart of our family outside. May not seem like it to everyone else. But we spend more time outside than we ever would in. The cavys are almost never alone, espically on weekends. They have even became friends with my 3lb chihuahua. They touch noses and the cavys popcorn when they see him. Its really cute.

AND honestly if I didn't care about my cavys and wanted them to die, which is what most people seem to be hinting at, would I even bother comming on here asking for advice?

sloveladypowell
05-02-08, 01:34 pm
Ooops, I almost forgot to add the latest link to the "Dangers of Outdoor Housing" list.

Guinea Pigs Being Attacked by Cat (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/outdoor-environments/35782-help-my-guinea-pigs-being-attacked-help.html)


Okay wow seriously, get over it.

The story about thugs comming into a backyard and killing pets was enough. Think about it if the "thugs" really wanted to kill you animals even if they were inside wouldnt they just break in?


Plenty of people keep their cavys outside without issue. No one on here seems to understand that there is 2 sides to evey story. I know people that swear by keeping them outside. And others like the people on here frown apoun it. Its a personal decision where you keep your pets. And to me outside where the family is, is better than inside all day in a bedroom. Where no one will pay attention to you

piggly wiggly
05-02-08, 04:16 pm
If it is a personal choice, and you think outside is best because your family is always out there, just a thought, but why don't you live outside and they have your bedroom, or better yet, so you can be with them all the time, you live outside with them. If the weather is so nice, it won't be a problem for you.

Really, how can you say they love living outside. I am sure they don't like being scared to death by the cat, birds and who knows what else, being bitten by bugs, hot in the day, cold at night, rain, and whatever else goes on that you don't know about.

auburnmare5
05-02-08, 06:48 pm
You can try to take allergy medicine? I don't have allergis, but you can give it a shot? But definetly bring them in! It is like you staying out all of your life! You may have good intentions, but it can endanger you gps health. The garden is a great idea, but good for during the day.

Paula
05-02-08, 07:16 pm
Okay wow seriously, get over it.

Have you given any thought to finding them a new home? Perhaps one where they won't be banished to a life outside and live in constant threat of being attacked by a predator?

Perhaps with an owner who won't determine they are "allergic" to them and simply move them outdoors?

Toadies
05-02-08, 08:06 pm
I very seldom encourage anyone to forsake their "commitment" to their creatures, but in this case - FIND THEM A NEW, INDOOR HOME!!!

Paula
05-02-08, 10:42 pm
I very seldom encourage anyone to forsake their "commitment" to their creatures

I agree wholly! In this case though I think it is a disservice to these poor pigs not to at least suggest attempting to find them a place where their needs and welfare will be put first.

wiggley_narco
05-02-08, 10:59 pm
Sloveladypowell, I understand your concern if you are allergic the something in the guinea pig's urine. However, as others have stated, your guinea pigs' health is at risk outdoors. Cold, heat, predators, insects... you get the general idea. I honestly believe it would be in your best interest to find your guinea pigs a new home where they can be kept indoors out of harm's way. I know that can be difficult, but sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice your personal happiness for the health and safety of another living creature.

Res Judicata
05-02-08, 11:29 pm
The story about thugs comming into a backyard and killing pets was enough. Think about it if the "thugs" really wanted to kill you animals even if they were inside wouldnt they just break in?


No, they wouldn't come inside. That type of animal killing is an opportunistic crime. They see an unsupervised, easy to get to animal and take advantage of it. These people are sick offshoot of the common vandal. Most vandals will do damage outside, but it's a rare occasion one will come into your house and trash it. Too risky.

Bring those poor pigs in. Try treating them for mites if your allergic reactions are of the skin type. I thought I was allergic to pig urine, but I found out I get hives when my pigs get mites. It's actually pretty helpful because I know when I need to dose them with ivermectin.

ArtisticRainey
05-03-08, 04:10 pm
At 72 degrees they probably would need something to cool them down. Try your best to get them inside. There are lots of allergy tests that can be done. It'll benefit your life overall. Please get them inside. They should ideally go into a familiy or living room instead of a bedroom if you don't spend most of your time in the bedroom.

I hope you get sorted.

Jennicat
05-03-08, 05:36 pm
It's very frustrating to the forum that you keep insisting on what a great thing it is to be outdoors, and how safe and fun it is on the same threadwhere you're asking for advice on how to keep them from being eaten by predators.

aqh88
05-03-08, 07:34 pm
You say they are with the family more if they are outside then that means you are there supervising them and a cat shouldn't be able to attack them. It's one thing if they are outside with you in a safe pen that has a top and another for them to be running around in an unsecured pen without someone there to protect them. What about at night? Night time is when they are most likely to come under attack by both critters and people. Unless you stay up all night outside they are unsupervised and not protected for at least 6-8hours. Inside is where you are then and therefore inside is where they should be. When they are outside you should be within view of them and they should be in a pen with sturdy sides and a top. Anything else is irresponsible and no matter how many excuses you try to make it won't change the fact that there are more stories of pigs being killed or stolen than the number of safe ones you can come up with. Even if we say 1 in 10 pigs (it's much much higher than that) meet a bad end when left unsupervised outside do you want to take those odds? 1 in 100 is too bad of odds for me. Your taking the word of a few people over the many stories and greater range of experience that are on here and can be found across the internet.

tantrixfafa
05-28-08, 08:15 am
Please people.. live and let live. I just wanted to say i sympathise with you sloveladypowell (altough you might be scared away from here by now...) I think it's hypocrite to say that an outdoor housing is bad per se. Has anyone of you ever been inside a guinea's brain? Maybe they prefer being in a garden, with grass beneath their feet and sky above, including all the dangers that come with it, over a small cage in a house (which, after all, is made for humans)... who really knows what is best? I don't say i have all the answers, and i think we all do what we think is best... but please don't get so high and mighty like you know everything. The way you talk to her leaves no room whatsoever for any discussion...

VoodooJoint
05-28-08, 09:59 am
The way you talk to her leaves no room whatsoever for any discussion...What discussion should there be is the animals are getting attacked? I think you must be lost. You happen to be on a site that strongly adheres to the idea that out pets deserve the very best we can give them, after all they are at our mercy. Outdoor housing is NOT the best. It is proven that living outdoors is detrimental to their health and shortens their lifespans.

If you think we are too rough or mean when it comes to animal welfare then you should post in the brand new Why Can't We All Get Along? (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/why-cant-we-all-get-along/) forum and tell us all about it.

aqh88
05-28-08, 10:42 am
I understand your argument. I have made the same one to myself when debating putting my pigs outside or in the horse stalls at all. No you can't live 110% safe in this world and still actually live your life. It's like never allowing your kid to ride a bike cause they might crash or fall off and break their arm. Personally I shredded my forearm to bone and scraped my palm crashing my bike. The difference is like putting your kid on a safe bike with a helmet and pads to ride on nearby or low traffic streets versus sending them out on a bike with hardly any brakes, no helmet, and telling them to ride on the busiest street you can think of. We take precautions to keep ourselves, our kids, and our pets safe and don't let them do things that are highly likely to get them injured or killed. A guinea pig in a safe pen with supervision is like the kid riding the bike with all safety precautions taken. A guinea pig left unattended in a topless or unsecured pen is like the 2nd example of sending the kid with no safety equipment out on to the highway or interstate to ride their bike. It's quite obviously something noone who was a responsible parent would do. The risk for injury is very likely and again very obvious.

tantrixfafa
05-28-08, 01:15 pm
Hear hear! to aqh88.

I understand the main concern of all the people so worried about animal welfare here is about putting a being that has no choice in the matter into a situation that is potentially dangerous.

Now would you call a mother who takes a toddler in the car with her a bad mother? Technically she is doing the same. But no one would fall all over her for doing so.

You might say the risk of getting hurt or killed in a car accident is smaller than the risk of a guinea being eaten by a cat. True. But then you would have to decide what an 'acceptable' risk is. There is where you get into a complex moral issue. is 10% too much, 1%, 0.01%? I don't know.

In an ideal world, if you would have the choice between keeping your piggies outdoors with a constant watch over them by the owner, and keeping them outdoors on their own most of the time... the choice would be simple. Unfortunately this isn't an ideal world, and practically - because no one has time to watch their pets all day long - choices boil down to keeping them locked indoors (on their own) or keeping them outdoors on their own.
It is my strong belief that cavies ARE happier outdoors than locked in a cage. So how much risk is acceptable for living a happier life? I don't know. But it's sad to see that some people are so narrow minded that they think they know it all.

Just for the record: I DO keep my cavies inside and they only go outside in moderately warm (around room temperature, i don't know what that is in Fahrenheit) and dry weather, and then they are always supervised.
Because that's what I BELIEVE is best for them. But i wouldn't dare indoctrinate that view on others the way you do here.

Justin
05-28-08, 01:32 pm
It is my strong belief that cavies ARE happier outdoors than locked in a cage.
Have you ever considered that your "strong belief" could be actually wild guess?

Normally, people research on a subject for a long time, have convincing theories proven time after time, then talk about their "strong belief."

tantrixfafa
05-28-08, 01:50 pm
The thing about a belief is, is that it can't be proven. If one strongly believes in God, would you ask him if he has researched it, and see it proven? No.

All i can say is that i watched my guineas being outdoors for more than a decade and tried my best to interpret their behaviour and body language. That's all anyone can do in the matter of determining whether an animal is happy or not. You simply never know for sure, that's why i specifically used the word 'believe', instead of 'know'. Had i said I 'knew' cavies are happier outdoors, you would have had every right to tell me i would need some proof for it.

You might not believe a cavie is happier outdoors, and I do. No one will ever know for sure.

Justin
05-28-08, 02:40 pm
tantrixfafa: I am sorry for my misunderstanding. I can see that your belief on outdoor piggies is similar to "religious belief" rather than "scientific belief."

I found a good deal of reading materials on piggy behavior including that from this website. For example, pigs will popcorn when you put them in outdoor pen for excitement and/or happiness. When they are left alone for cold and scary night, they are often too frightened, cold, or hot to appraise the "happiness."

I had also found my ego being hurt repeatedly by information against my "belief," especially on outdoor cage and breeding. But as I read more and more, I had to submit my "belief" to superior logic and overwhelming proofs.

I think I am suggesting that(reading lots of information) to you as well.

tantrixfafa
05-28-08, 03:16 pm
i was wrong by saying 'i believe a cavy is happier outside; i should have nuanced it and say: i believe a cavy is happier outside in daytime, in moderately warm, dry weather, provided with enough shadow and shelter, than inside in a cage. I hope we can agree on that. (And agree that watching animal behaviour to come to that conclusion has scientific value, and is 'more' than religious belief)

And what I forgot to say is that I totally agree with you on the matter that at night a cavy might be very uncomfortable outside. And that is why I myself don't take any risks, and NEVER let them sleep outside.

But what i disagree on, is that you seem to think that no matter how well insulated their nighttime housing is, and no matter howmuch precautions you take against predators, you would consider it animal cruelty. I think animal cruelty is far to harsh a word for it. It might not be the ideal situation, but if anything but an ideal situation is considered animal cruelty, we would all have to stop keeping cavies for pets at all, because who here can honoustly say they can provide their cavies with all the space a cavy would IDEALLY need (as much as they would use in nature, approx 600 sq meters, if i remember correctly)

So what bugs me is the black-or-white view here. There is this whole gray area of trying to do your best in the given situation: giving your cavies the best night time house imaginable and doing everything you can to keep predators out, sounds to me like you care more than someone who keeps their pet locked up in a cage all day

aNiMaLsAmArItAn
05-28-08, 04:26 pm
I feel for you sloveladypowell. You are between a rock and a hard place. It's just that the members on this sight have strong beliefs and will probably never change. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and I believe that since everyone lives in a different place and has a different situation, everyone is at least partly right! If it was me in your situation though, I would probably do what you are doing, except I would bring them indoors at night. GREAT PERSEVERANCE!:goodvibes

buttons
05-28-08, 11:06 pm
Sloveladypowe, what if you simply built a mini barn/garden shed with a window for the guinea pigs. A/C or a fan for the hot days, and heating in there for the winter.

I know a friend who had a rabbit outside in a hutch and a coyote came a chewed apart the wires no problem. That coyote got rabbit for diner that night. )-:

I'm against putting them totally outside, but if you had them in a garden shed that you used only for guinea pigs - not lawn mower or so - fumes... then it should be OK.
Have a run outside for the day when you are outside with them to supervise and it'll be ok that way.

Dangers come at night and any other time you aren't there.

I understand that you can't keep them inside, but I think there are still other solutions...

aqh88
05-29-08, 01:11 pm
Just saying the guinea pigs are happier is not really a good reason for putting them in danger. I told my mom that was the main argument people were using and you know what her answer was... "My children were happier playing ball in the street but I still made them play in the yard". The chances of them getting attacked and injured or killed by something is insanely higher than a car crash. That's why I used the bike example. If a young kid rides a bike down a really busy street every day the odds are they will get hit or something will happen within a couple weeks. Same with the pigs. Chances are they will get attacked by something (already happened) within the month. That is what makes it a stupid irresponsible risk. It's quite obviously wrong. While yes there are grey areas. There are times we can argue about it and say maybe the risk is too high and maybe it's not. I've been on the receiving end of that myself when I tried to ask about setting up a guinea pig safe horse stall and notice my outdoor guinea pig pen doesn't have that many responses. This is not one of those cases where we can argue. It is not grey. It is obviously dangerous. It has already proven to be dangerous. If we put a child in a similar situation people would be reporting the mother for child endangerment.

You cannot always do whatever your child or pet wants. You have to compromise. "Ok you can play ball in the front yard but if you go in the street you will have to stay in the smaller back yard from now on" or to my dog " you can go off leash in the pastures so long as you stay on this side of the fence. If you don't you will have to be on a leash." To a guinea pig "ok you can go outside while I'm around in this safe pen but when I'm not outside too you'll have to stay inside." The animals may not be able to understand as well as the child but that is the compromise we are making with them to keep them both happy and safe.

That is part of the reason we build such large cages. So they can be happy inside when we have to keep them there. I also picked an 8lb salad for my aunt to feed them while I was gone this weekend so they would not miss out on their grass and forages by being stuck inside. A pet does not know the risks of it's actions so we cannot always do what makes them happy. If they knew the risks they probably wouldn't choose to do it but would want that extra security and protection that we think is necessary. Since we can't ask them we will have to make the choice ourselves.

mbator
05-29-08, 10:04 pm
Bring them in, you are taking a big chance keeping them outside. Find a place where you don't have them in your bedroom for your allergies. Even the garage if you have one would be better than outdoors to cats and whatever else may come by. I know everyone on here means well in helping you, it just may not be what you want to hear.

steveakam
05-31-08, 05:33 pm
here in england we have a nice substance called ZOOPOO. this is a compost that includes the big cat droppings from the countrys zoo's. The big cat droppings contain feromones that make smaller cats think about their own mortality and leave the imiediate area in a hurry. I dont know if you have such a thing in the states but it may be worth looking in to.

soccergrl849
06-07-08, 12:22 am
I feel the need to apologize i am sure all these comments can be intimidating and I hope you realize that they all say this in hopes to help the guinea pigs first.
Maybe you have already made a choice on this issue but here is my two cents,
First off, have you tried fleece and does this help with the allergies? At this point with your health being at risk i would say that the guinea pigs should remain outside but maybe you could lay down towels in a bathroom or other quiet place for them to be during the night or If you won't be outdoors to check on them. If you can create a safe cage with chicken wire then that is also a great solution, the two things you must keep in mind are your health and the pigs safety. Only you really know these circumstances and i trust that if you have an account on here and you truly have the interest in these pigs then you know what you need to do.
Once again i apologize for the harsh words of myself and others and i hope you find a suitable solution.
Best wishes, Soccergrl

Treauremapper
08-14-08, 11:13 am
My idea would be to install a dog kennel around the hutch. One of those chain link wire kennels with a door, so that the kennel sits in the center. The entire structure would need to have a roof or be in a porch with a roof. If it is strong enough to prevent dogs from getting out, it should be strong enough to prevent a cat from getting in.

But, sadly, sometimes it is better to rehome a guinea pig.

Simmonkey
08-24-08, 10:17 am
My father is allergic to rabbit urine. He almost died once a while back, when I had a rabbit. But I would put a sterdy top on the cage. ANd then put a cage withen a cage ;)

Haley0489
08-24-08, 10:22 am
My idea would be to install a dog kennel around the hutch. One of those chain link wire kennels with a door, so that the kennel sits in the center. The entire structure would need to have a roof or be in a porch with a roof. If it is strong enough to prevent dogs from getting out, it should be strong enough to prevent a cat from getting in.

But, sadly, sometimes it is better to rehome a guinea pig.

My father is allergic to rabbit urine. He almost died once a while back, when I had a rabbit. But I would put a sterdy top on the cage. ANd then put a cage withen a cage ;)


A cage within a cage doesn't stop snakes, mice, and other small animals from entering the cage and harming your pig. Nor does it keep them cool in the summer or warm in the winter.

Guinea pigs shouldn't be housed outside, period!

Simmonkey
08-24-08, 10:29 am
most balls around the stables, no snakes. Lemon spray (pet save and not to close to the cage of course) no spiders, mice, what the crap is a mouse going to do besides eat his food? :P My main consern is the dogs. and we fixed that. My mom mad me put him into a pet store cage and I felt bad so I had o find a new envrament for him. And I did. Pigs can be housed outside. In the wild where do you think they live?

Haley0489
08-24-08, 10:39 am
Mice carry disease, maybe you missed all the posts VJ posted at the beginning of this thread. And what about the weather? Does it rain where you live? Does it snow? Does it get cold? Hot? Is it windy? This isn't ideal living conditions of a guinea pig, and the guinea pigs that we know and love are NOT like the ones in the wild. I find it very hard to believe you don't have snakes or spiders in the country. Got ants? I'm sure the guinea pig will love having ants in his pen.

If you don't want him in a petstore cage you should put him in a C&C in your home.


Dangers of Outdoor Housing
UK GP housed outside dies of heatstroke (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/../redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cavycages.com%2Fforum%2 Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D226480%26posted%3D1%23post22 6480%3C%2Fp)
GPs stolen from outdoor cage (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/../about-guinea-pigs/10797-i-have-sad-news.html)
2 GPs in outdoor cage killed by dog (on Animal Precinct) (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/../redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cavycages.com%2Fforum%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D4584)
HAWK, drops guinea pig in someone's yard (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/../redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cavycages.com%2Fforum%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D3755)
Violent thugs batter family pets to death (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/17268-uk-pet-violence-another-reason-keep-them-indoors.html)
Thread about people breaking into outdoor hutches and sheds (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=26529)
2 guinea pigs stolen from outdoor shed (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=26659)
Guinea pig attacked by rats in shed (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=26661)
Magpies attacking GPs in their outdoor hutches (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=26307)
4 GPs dead. Cause is a suspected mouse infestation in shed and garden (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25906)
Ant infested yard and hutches (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25999)
Warning for those keeping animals outside (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25676)
Guinea pigs stolen from "Cavy Sanctuary" (http://www.pimms-pages.co.uk/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25120)
GPs stolen from outdoor garden (http://www.midsussextoday.co.uk/mid-sussex-news?articleid=2857705)
More Guinea pigs die of heatstroke (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/../introductions/27081-whats-up.html)
Guinea Pig Killed by Cat (http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45168)

Summer is Coming. Should You House Your GP Outside? (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/../about-cages/25502-summer-coming-should-you-house-your-gp-outside.html)
Outdoor vs Indoor (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/../125073-post13.html)

Simmonkey
08-24-08, 11:03 am
I can't! my mom also wanted me to give him away for health issues! Moth balls keep the snakes away. No thugs! Tottaly prrotected from cats, dogs, and all flying animals. Maby you missed the part about "In a Stable" its not like its out in the open for him to be rained on and snowed on (not that it snows here very often) As for ants, we are putting sugar and fire ant killers around the stables as we speak. If the weather gets to rough we bring him in.

VoodooJoint
08-24-08, 11:08 am
Simmonkey - Watch your step. You are starting to walk on very thin ice. Your language and attitude is starting to cross the line of what is accepted around here.

I suggest you do a TON more research before you seriously harm your pet. Do some research on the diseases mice and rats can spread as well as the damage they can do to a pet.

Do you honestly think you have no spiders?

I'm starting to think you are just here to cause a little trouble. If you don't start acting and posting rationally then you will end up forcing us to have to show you the door.

Toadies
08-24-08, 12:03 pm
Guinea pigs are not livestock or a commodity! They are sweet, fragile, helpless creatures that, if you're going to have them, deserve a place in the house! If that is not possible, for whatever reason, then it would be loving to find them a place that can accomodate their special needs. You have to love them more than what you want. You have to love them enough to do what's best for them.

Simmonkey
08-24-08, 01:34 pm
I have no more comments on the matter.

RainKindle
08-24-08, 02:02 pm
Mice carry diseases that can be deadly to pets. That's how we lost my brother's iguana at my old place.

Our pampered iguana was kept inside of course, (we live in Minnesota.) which is also partly why the mice wanted in so badly. We discovered, too late, that mice were sneaking inside the iguana cage to get at the iguana's pellets. The mice carried diseases that the iguana could not fight, and that is how we lost her.
Shortly afterwards, mom got a cat, because the cat smell kept out the field mice.
I still have my cat, she is a senior cat now living out her comfortable life. Mom's cat shares her home with my guinea pig and an additional cat.
My guinea pig lives with me comfortably in the basement in a cat proof capable home just in case, while the cats have free reign of the upstairs.
Ever since I started volunteering with adoptable rabbits, I've discovered that I may be allergic to the timothy hay. Therefore I simply take generic zyrtec or generic claritin. I was not going to give up my guinea over a mere allergy.
Also, my sweetheart happens to be very allergic to pet dander. When he mentioned that he wanted pets in our future and I asked him how that would work due to his allergies, he said, "I will get the allergy shots."
I have since come to the conclusion that if I were ever so extremely allergic to anything that I am not willing to give up, such as a pet that I've taken on the responsibility to care for, that I will get allergy shots as well.

Res Judicata
08-24-08, 08:26 pm
Besides, if someone in the house has a deadly allergy to something, it is not going to be kept anywhere in the home or on the property. Have some common sense. If my pets, whom I love like my own children, were going to cause a fatal reaction to someone in my family there would be no question of what to do. Unfortunately the pet would have to go to a different loving home.

I have never in my life heard of allergies to pets being deadly enough to kill people, although it is possible to have anaphlylatic responses to anything, such a reaction is very rare, and occurs mostly with foods, insect stings, medicines, and horse serum (used in tetanus shots). See a pattern here? Most of these things are items that actually enter the body and end up in the blood stream, not that are inhaled or touched. Inhalation anaphylaxis is a very rare form of a very rare reaction, and the vast majority of touch-induced anaphylaxis is due to peanuts and tree nuts because of the oil. The mere smell of it can also put some allergic people into shock. I doubt very much that in the highly unlikely event that someone is deadly allergic to rabbit urine that putting the rabbit in any area that could be accessed by the severely allergic person (which would include the backyard or the garage) would solve the problem.

lmarieaa
11-30-08, 05:26 pm
I agree, you should find your guinea pigs a new home. Keeping them the way you are now is very unhealthy and dangerous. If you have allergies that are so unbearable because of your guinea pigs, thus forcing you to put them in such a bad circumstance outside then they really need a new indoor home. I think its selfish to keep the pigs like that rather than finding them a permanent indoor home because your merely keeping them for your interest only (which still makes no sense because apparently they are toxic for your allergies) and the interests of the animals have been thrown out.

hueyeats
12-01-08, 10:54 am
I think if OP insists on keeping them outside, OP would be more humane to re-home your pigs.

I do not think it would be fun for them (piggies) when they have to live in constant fear of being food to that cat or some other animals. I do not think as a human you would enjoy living in constant fear of losing your life (eg. when you live in a crime filled neighbourhood where you run the chances of being shot at)... your piggies won't enjoy that too (even if they have unlimited supplies of food; without life & safty, what is the use of food?).

Re-homing would also be more humane of a treatment to your dog & your neighbour's cat (so you do not have to spray at it or leave your dog to freeze; which I am also sure that your poor piggies are freezing too as they like human temperature zones).

Yeah, rehome your pigs if you cannot have them inhouse... best option.

5guinea5pig5
12-01-08, 11:00 am
Why would you keep them if you're allergic to them? How did they get free time? I just don't get how members of this forums after being on it and knowing what we're like keep them outside! Personally, I think that they are just trying to cause trouble because they know that we don't like keeping our guinea pigs outside 24/7. If you loved them then you'd know what's best for them and know that that means give them a nice comfty home where they can be love all the time.

hueyeats
12-01-08, 11:35 am
Hear hear! to aqh88.



Now would you call a mother who takes a toddler in the car with her a bad mother? Technically she is doing the same. But no one would fall all over her for doing so.




No she is not technically doing the same.
Now a mom who would "house" the toddler in a car (without her too living in it like in an RV)... that person for the most part would just be asking for "jail-time" big time!

BUT
if you the pig parent would camp OUTSIDE with your pig... then I would see it as an equal of human's insight into a pig brains that they actually enjoy living outside like you do.

I do think all should be fair for both humans & their pets they chose to have.

NOT
because I live inside, I could still justify housing a piggie out as just as comfy when I am living inside comfortably! That is NOT practicing what you yourself preach!

Caviekisses
12-01-08, 08:52 pm
I feel stupid for asking this but... Have you tried giving them a bath? Also, if you have Asthma the last bedding you would want to use is Carefresh. Something like Cell-Sorb or Yesterday's News would be much better... Works great and also absorbs odors very well.

deborahtucker
12-02-08, 04:00 pm
This is why I got my girls. Their previous owner was allergic. They are spoiled rotten. Currently expanding to 3x7 c&c

Tserisa
12-22-08, 06:50 am
"Allergies" to urine could be hypersensitivity pneumonitis, rather than allergies. Which is indeed deadly. It is the same autoimmune reaction which causes houses with mold to be condemned.

I used to keep many birds. My mom got birdkeeper's lung -- hypersensitivity pneumonitis in reaction to proteins in bird feathers and dander. She also reacted to rat urine.

I did not put my birds outside.

I rehomed most of them -- and I still cry about it to this day, it was heart-wrenching -- and then moved out with my beloved African grey. I moved into a single room apartment in someone's house in the middle of nowhere, because that was all I could afford. I didn't have a phone, internet, or TV, because I couldn't afford them. I lived on mostly vegetarian ramen. But I had ChuChu. (And she still ate her pellets and fresh veggies even if it meant I had about a dollar a day to spend on my food!)

To the end of her life my mom couldn't even go in petstores or rescues or shows that had birds, or even places with feathers decorating the place. Her lungs would literally attack themselves. I had to change my clothes to go visit her.

If someone has a deadly reaction to an animal then it is best for the person AND the animal to not have the animals anywhere around. That means not on the property. Beyond that, it is simply, without question, cruel and dangerous to house the guinea pigs outside.

My sister has bad allergies to rabbits -- her favorite animal. She has a free range house bunny. She takes three kinds of medicine daily so that she doesn't have to give her up. My husband is a little allergic to cats -- his favorite animal - and has asthma. He goes to the allergy shot clinic twice a week and uses a lung trainer so that he can have a cat and be healthy.

On the other hand, my brother-in-law has such severe allergies to cats that any time he touches one, he ends up in the hospital. He can't go in a house with a cat. My sister-in-law has to check all food and things given to him to make sure it doesn't have a single cat hair on it. Would he get a cat and then put it outside in a hutch? Of course not! They have a beloved house bunny, an animal he's not allergic to.

It is not fair to the animal to keep it if it's just going to be left outside, with no floor time and little interaction. It's just selfish. Period. If they really are a "part of your family" then treat them like family.

Skinny Pig
03-23-09, 07:03 pm
I want to suggest putting a roof on the top of the putdoor cage with tarp on the grids or shelving so the rain doesn't get in.

I believe that it is also a personal choice whether you leave them inside or out, but if you leave them outside and they die due to weather, don't come crying to me.

If you want to, you could make a ceiling cage. I've never seen it done before but I have an image n my head about one. Instead of a cage on a table or the floor, hang it from the roof? I have no idea if this is safe or not, but you could try it.

s.edwards
03-28-09, 11:03 pm
I know in my area cats are held to the same leash laws as dogs are. If the cat is continually invading your property I would call your local animal control so they can have a talk to the cat owner.can you maybe make it a part-in time and part-out time?

tk-421
07-24-09, 08:38 am
I was just reading this thread and i got so annoyed that i just had to join to voice my opinion.

What are you all doing. i mean some one puts a post asking for help as they have found that they are allergic to there pet that is a part of the family and instead of offering help all you all do is just rip in to them with a mightier that thou mentality.

I wonder what any of you would do if someone in your family became allergic to your pigs you "advice" of Give them to a new home. hardly helpful. could you give up your pets that you loved? if you really loved them you would not.

you do know that you made the member who posted this thread leave this forum because of how you treated them. i hope you are all please with your selfs. that you turned on someone in there time of need.

as for onkers having to live in side. now correct me if im wrong but guinea pigs live outside in the wild. from what you all where saying you make it sound like they will die if you show them the outside. what do you think they did befor humans brought the in to there homes?

now im sure that my post will eather be removed from this thread or you will all just presume that i know nothing of guinea pigs and moan about me. but for your information i do have a lot of knowledge of guinea pigs. I have been a guinea pig breeder for 15 years and All my guinea pigs lived OUTSIDE all the time and they where the Happyest guinea pigs i have ever seen. you know what I never had a guinea pig die of heat or cold and i live in England.

i am never going to come back to this forum this is my 1st and last post. so dont bother posting any thing about me. just think what you might of done to that poor person who came here looking for help and only got Abuse and Bulling. I hope you are all very proud.

Paula
07-27-09, 10:46 am
What are you all doing. i mean some one puts a post asking for help as they have found that they are allergic to there pet that is a part of the family and instead of offering help all you all do is just rip in to them with a mightier that thou mentality.There’s no “mightier than though” mindset or mentality. Members of this forum are committed to guinea pigs and seeing them live healthy, happy lives, being properly cared for. The notion that guinea pigs are being attacked by a cat (you did read the title, yes?) because of a choice the poster made is deeply disturbing to many members here and they are obliged to speak out about it.


I wonder what any of you would do if someone in your family became allergic to your pigs you "advice" of Give them to a new home. hardly helpful. could you give up your pets that you loved? if you really loved them you would not.Well. If I really loved them I’d prefer to see them in an indoor home where they are being cared for properly rather than banishing them to a life outside where they’re exposed to the elements, not to mention insects and other animal attacks.

My husband is allergic to my guinea pigs. We’ve made accommodations so he doesn’t have to handle or encounter them. It’s really not that hard, and if the allergy were so severe he was facing death because of it (which, by the way, is a bogus notion) I would choose to rehome the animals to a home where they’d be loved and cared for properly LONG before I’d choose to force them to live outside where it’s too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter, and where they’d often face the very real possibility of being attacked by neighborhood cats, raccoons, etc. One is a humane choice that would no doubt hurt to have to make, because I love my animals and I have made a commitment to them for the duration of their lives. The other is a selfish choice that would allow me to keep said animals, but to their detriment, and for no real good other than it would allow me to still have possession of them.


you do know that you made the member who posted this thread leave this forum because of how you treated them. i hope you are all please with your selfs. that you turned on someone in there time of need.If this person chose to leave, it was strictly his/her choice. No one’s going to say something this awful is acceptable simply so that the original poster doesn’t have to feel bad for a choice s/he is making that’s doing real, tangible harm to the pets for which she is tasked with providing care.


as for onkers having to live in side. now correct me if im wrong but guinea pigs live outside in the wild. from what you all where saying you make it sound like they will die if you show them the outside. what do you think they did befor humans brought the in to there homes?Onkers?

Guinea pigs in the wild are not stuffed into a cage with no means of escape should they be threatened by another animal. Guinea pigs in the wild have a reasonable ability to shelter themselves from cold or heat.


now im sure that my post will eather be removed from this thread or you will all just presume that i know nothing of guinea pigs and moan about me. No, it’s not being removed, and although I can’t speak for anyone else here, I am not presuming that you “know nothing” about guinea pigs. I’m presuming you’re a pet owner who would always put your needs and desires above the innocent animals you’ve chosen to make a part of your life.


but for your information i do have a lot of knowledge of guinea pigs. I have been a guinea pig breeder for 15 years and All my guinea pigs lived OUTSIDE all the time and they where the Happyest guinea pigs i have ever seen. you know what I never had a guinea pig die of heat or cold and i live in England.Well. Outstanding. Being a breeder lends no credibility to your claims or your story. That you thought your guinea pigs were happy living outside simply tells me that you have no experience with guinea pigs living indoors being cared for properly. Of course they’d seem “happy” if they know nothing different. That they live outside means you probably don’t notice when they’re sick, or acting off, much less when they’re threatened by wild animals or other elements. You’re breeding these animals while countless others face euthanasia and other unknown horrors in shelters. Out. Standing.


i am never going to come back to this forum this is my 1st and last post.We can most certainly hope.


so dont bother posting any thing about me.Members will be allowed to respond to your silliness, just as you were allowed to post it in the first place. You made the choice to post here and you don’t get to control what people may or may not have to say in response.


just think what you might of done to that poor person who came here looking for help and only got Abuse and Bulling. I hope you are all very proud.Yes, I hope you’re quite proud of yourself as well. While you breed animals for your own selfish reasons, I hope you keep in mind that others are dying because of people like yourself. Oh, but yours are happy living outside in a hutch, so it's all okay. Right?

rabbitsncavyluv
07-27-09, 11:37 am
You're a breeder? Enough said.

GuineaPIGGIES<3
07-27-09, 11:58 am
Think about whats best for your piggies and its not living outdoors.

Toadies
07-27-09, 12:06 pm
Well said, Paula!

Ly&Pigs
07-28-09, 01:30 pm
I don't get why people have to dredge up old threads where the original poster hasn't been active on the forum in well over a year and think they are adding value to the post.

I think what we've learned from tk-421's post is that breeders don't share the same mentality as we do and that this particular breeder has no true feelings for his/her pigs if they are keeping them outside and have been breeding them for 15 years. I wonder how many pigs this person has added to the already huge overpopulation problem over the years.

molloopsy
07-28-09, 02:03 pm
I honestly don't think it is soo bad for them to be outside if you live in CALIFORNIA. I don't live there but I don't think it gets to cold and with shade cold water bottles and juicy veggies they should be fine!

I think that you should try talking with your neighbors again and putting some fencing around your piggies cage.

BTW No one seems to realize even though an animal in domesticated it is still an animal. They can still have survival instincts.

Ly&Pigs
07-28-09, 02:07 pm
I honestly don't think it is soo bad for them to be outside if you live in CALIFORNIA. I don't live there but I don't think it gets to cold and with shade cold water bottles and juicy veggies they should be fine!

I think that you should try talking with your neighbors again and putting some fencing around your piggies cage.

BTW No one seems to realize even though an animal in domesticated it is still an animal. They can still have survival instincts.

Here is a prime example of what I was just talking about. Again, the original poster has not been on the forum at all since December of 08.

And you molloopsy, have no clue about proper care.

Don't reply to the ORIGINAL post. It's old, it's dead. Leave it alone.

Paula
07-28-09, 02:25 pm
I honestly don't think it is soo bad for them to be outside if you live in CALIFORNIA. I'm sorry, but your opinion on the matter is really of painfully little significance. But while we're at it, it gets entirely too hot in CALIFORNIA to have a guinea pig living outside.


I don't live there And yet you feel compelled to share your opinion on the matter. Ugh, no thanks.


BTW No one seems to realize even though an animal in domesticated it is still an animal. They can still have survival instincts.BTW you seem not to realize that you haven't the slightest idea what guinea pig care might be, evidenced by your plethora of other posts here and yet for reasons unknown to me you still feel compelled to share an opinion on this matter that's more or less been dead and buried for months now.

Peggysu
07-28-09, 02:30 pm
I honestly don't think it is soo bad for them to be outside if you live in CALIFORNIA. I don't live there but I don't think it gets to cold and with shade cold water bottles and juicy veggies they should be fine!

I think that you should try talking with your neighbors again and putting some fencing around your piggies cage.

BTW No one seems to realize even though an animal in domesticated it is still an animal. They can still have survival instincts.

Since you don't live in California you obviously have no idea that it is not ideal to house a guinea pig outside. It is cold and hot here. If you can't control the temperature then they shouldn't be housed there. My dog is housed indoors for goodness sake.

Animals do have survival instincts, except when they are in a small little cage outside they have limited options of where to hide and they can't protect themselves.

Please do your animals some good and do a little more research on proper housing and care.

Jaybird!889
07-28-09, 11:40 pm
I honestly don't think it is soo bad for them to be outside if you live in CALIFORNIA. I don't live there but I don't think it gets to cold and with shade cold water bottles and juicy veggies they should be fine!

I think that you should try talking with your neighbors again and putting some fencing around your piggies cage.

BTW No one seems to realize even though an animal in domesticated it is still an animal. They can still have survival instincts.

It is not okay for a piggie to be housed outside; even in California. California whether is very weird and never stays the same. Some places in California are cool and all that but from day to day the weather can change drastically; it can go from cool to hot in a matter of hours. What would you do if you were at work and the weather changed?

Also, depending on where you live it can be extremely hot getting up to 110 degrees and no animal could survive very long in that. My dog very rarely goes out in the summer either.

Also, in certain places in California there are rattle snakes and other dangerous animals; how do you keep the piggies safe from that?

Animals do have survival instincts but if they are domesticated and used to living in a cage and what not those survival instincts are not going to be as strong as an undomesticated animal.

If the piggie is in a cage and a predator comes they can only do so much running/hiding before there is no where else to go.

Piggie Problems
08-25-09, 04:19 pm
People you seriously have to get over the fact that some people keep their pigs outdoors. We all have a legal responsibility to look after our pets and some peoples views are different to others. as long the the animals are not suffering, or being neglected and getting what they need then what does it matter? Most hutches are designed to be predator proof!

Wodentoad
08-25-09, 04:28 pm
I will preface this with, this is a year old thread. I know that, I'm sorry, but the "predator proof" thing upsets me. Here's why:

I'm terrified of a slithering snake. I can look at most pictures and am fine, but something about the motion triggers a phobic response. This being said, snakes are such a big danger! I saw photos of a snake crawling up a "Snake Proof" squirrel feeder for a lovely snack. Snakes are cunning and smart, and it only takes a tiny tiny hole. NO hutch outside is predator proof.

momof1kid3piggi
08-25-09, 04:36 pm
Okay If you people cant read I thought Ly said this thread was DEAD!

rabbitsncavyluv
08-25-09, 04:39 pm
Hutches are built for us - not the pets' comfort. If you take a good look at most, they are pretty easy to open and not predator proof. Raccoons and such can open them pretty easily. And look http://www.guinealynx.info/housing.html scroll down to the hutch.

Did you miss the first post of this thread that stated the OP's guinea pigs were being killed by an outdoor predator? Yet you say this is still safe??

You have not had pigs before and you bought yours from a pet shop just last week. Yet you are now an expert?

Piggie Problems
08-25-09, 04:50 pm
No i have not owned a guinea pig before, but i have lived with people who own them, worked with them, and grown up with them. So the only difference now is that they are my responsibility.

Paula
08-25-09, 05:02 pm
So the only difference now is that they are my responsibility.Which is quite unfortunate for the guinea pigs, I'd say, since you can't be bothered to house them in an environment that's safe and protected from the elements.

Ly&Pigs
08-25-09, 06:21 pm
Piggie Problems, I think your view is pretty scewed due to the fact that you are still so young (sorry can't and won't post your age but I know your age and if you post it, you will get infracted). Many people your age are more about themselves and what they want than being truly responsible. I have seen members your age that have embraced how to care for their pigs properly and I've seen members your age who want to do things properly but have parents who just don't get it. In your case, you just don't get it. I hope your views change as you get older.

I am not going to waste my time arguing with someone who is not willing to listen and doesn't care if their pigs are not properly cared for.


I thought Ly said this thread was DEAD!I did but it seems I was ignored. Sometimes it's like beating a dead horse so to speak. Sometimes I also feel like beating my head against a brick wall or someone else's when I get to a certain level of frustration.

rabbitsncavyluv
08-25-09, 06:24 pm
Sorry - Piggie P bumped it up for some reason and I felt compelled to reply.

Ly&Pigs
08-25-09, 06:44 pm
It's all Paula fault, lol. She replied to molloopsy after I said to leave it alone and it's gone on from there. Then I'll blame Piggie Problems for dredging it up once again.

Maybe I should forget the dead horse and just beat on Paula instead. :mischievo

Paula you know I'm just having a moment of fun and trying to ease some of this abundance of frustration a couple of members have heaped on me today.

I even used smilies, look out!

VoodooJoint
08-25-09, 07:00 pm
Can I help beat on Paula too? She was never properly hazed after all.

Ly&Pigs
08-25-09, 10:30 pm
Can I help beat on Paula too? She was never properly hazed after all.Absolutively. We can always tie her to a chair and gag her before we beat on her, hehe.

Paula
08-26-09, 04:41 pm
She was never properly hazed after all.Um. Teresa didn't mention anything to me about hazing, proper or otherwise, when she asked me to take this gig. So I assume you're making it up and no you may not beat upon me, restrain me to a chair or any other piece of furniture or gag me in any way.

If it were allowed, though, I suspect you two would be the first in a very long line of folks wishing to participate. :cheerful: So, no.

Ly&Pigs
08-26-09, 06:02 pm
Now Paula, what makes you think it's made up? You're the new kid on the block so you just have to be tied, gagged, beaten and take it like a good mod would! (laughs evilly)

xxlizzybordenxx
08-26-09, 07:23 pm
Just find a better home for them. Obviously you cannot provide the proper shelter. I'm sure there is another family out there that can.

I hope the cat doesn't succeed and kill them but if it does know it is your fault. I personally couldn't live with that guilt but hey maybe you can. Please grow up and make the right decision for your pigs.