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cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 10:19 am
Ok, So to start off my friends want to get a rabbit for their two Children and themselves. The Children are ages 2 and 4.
They want a large rabbit, and they also want to adopt. So thats a plus.
The rabbit would live in their sun room, it can not live in the house because they run A Senior Foster Care center, and there can be pets near the Seniors.
The cage they are going to use used to be for their Chickens (The chickens flew away.) except for they are going to put coroplast on the bottom for the rabbit (before it had no bottom). The cage measues 24 wide x 72 length in inches. They are going to put the coroplast walls on the outside of the cage. So the rabbit can't chew. They may also add one upper story but they are not sure. They have a large yard so it would get to run outside on nice days. Please make any comments about the cage etc. They want to know....

Oh and another question, they want to know all the supplies they will need for the rabbit.
So far I have-
Hay
Food
Water
litter box
Corplast
Spay
So if anyone has a large breed of rabbit or knows about them please make comments suggestions etc. And add onto the list of what they will need to get.
Thanks
Cinnn&Sprinslave
PS they want a female.

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 10:24 am
Ohhh also they will be building a door so the kids and them can reach the bunny.

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 10:26 am
Oh and they also want a web site that tells them how to litter box train the rabbit in case it isn't when they adopt it.

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 11:37 am
Anyone?????.....................

bunnyluv17
09-29-04, 12:56 pm
Definitely start at www.rabbit.org (http://www.rabbit.org) It is an awesome site! It should help with any questions or help they need. Make sure the floor is not wire. Timothy based pellets from Oxbow are the best for adult rabbits. The sunroom sounds fine as long as the rabbit has room to exercise every day. I wouldn't let the rabbit out in the backyard by itself because of all the risks. But supervised outdoor time is great. Check perimeter of yard to make sure there are no gaps.

If they don't want to supervise then they could build(or have built) a predator-safe run. The run would need to be very large with top, bottom, and sides. They could fill it up with hay/straw so the rabbit can dig. The rabbit would also need protection from the sun.

Check out the sections on outdoor hazards, children and rabbits, diet, litterbox training, and toys on the website. Rabbits definitely need toys to keep them occupied.

Large rabbits are best around young children because kids can't pick them up and they are usually more mellow. Check the website to see if they have a House Rabbit Society chapter or other rabbit rescue near you. If there are no rabbit rescues near you, they will just have to adopt from a shelter.

bunnyluv17
09-29-04, 01:05 pm
P.S. I know a lot of people use water bottles for rabbits, but they really prefer a bowl. Heavy ceramic bowls would be hard to knock over.

the only safe wood shavings are aspen. I use wood stove pellets for the litterbox, they are cheap, absorbant, and help control odor. The only bad thing is you have to stock up during the colder months.
Other safe litters include Yesterday's News, Feline Pine, and Carefresh.
DO NOT use cat litter or pine shavings. Good Luck!

and if they want a book for reference, The House Rabbit Handbook is the only good rabbit book I've found.

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 01:20 pm
P.S. I know a lot of people use water bottles for rabbits, but they really prefer a bowl. Heavy ceramic bowls would be hard to knock over.

the only safe wood shavings are aspen. I use wood stove pellets for the litterbox, they are cheap, absorbant, and help control odor. The only bad thing is you have to stock up during the colder months.
Other safe litters include Yesterday's News, Feline Pine, and Carefresh.
DO NOT use cat litter or pine shavings. Good Luck!

and if they want a book for reference, The House Rabbit Handbook is the only good rabbit book I've found.

Ok thanks I will have them check that out. Um can't rabbits be totally litter box trained with no bedding except news paper? I will remember the bowl thing. Does the cage sound big enough? 24in wide x 72in length?

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 01:21 pm
Definitely start at www.rabbit.org (http://www.rabbit.org/) It is an awesome site! It should help with any questions or help they need. Make sure the floor is not wire. Timothy based pellets from Oxbow are the best for adult rabbits. The sunroom sounds fine as long as the rabbit has room to exercise every day. I wouldn't let the rabbit out in the backyard by itself because of all the risks. But supervised outdoor time is great. Check perimeter of yard to make sure there are no gaps.

If they don't want to supervise then they could build(or have built) a predator-safe run. The run would need to be very large with top, bottom, and sides. They could fill it up with hay/straw so the rabbit can dig. The rabbit would also need protection from the sun.

Check out the sections on outdoor hazards, children and rabbits, diet, litterbox training, and toys on the website. Rabbits definitely need toys to keep them occupied.

Large rabbits are best around young children because kids can't pick them up and they are usually more mellow. Check the website to see if they have a House Rabbit Society chapter or other rabbit rescue near you. If there are no rabbit rescues near you, they will just have to adopt from a shelter.What type of toys? Do they like hidey houses (mine didn't but do yours)?

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 01:22 pm
Oh and there is a rabbit rescue near us and we already contacted them they wouldn't adopt out to my friends because the rabbit wouldn't be inside the actual house. Apparently sun rooms aren't ok..............

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 03:11 pm
Oh and is there any other food that is ok?
They live in the same area as me and it is so hard to find Oxbow products. And shipping costs waaay to much.

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 03:15 pm
http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3402670&adTarget=468petsgeneral&SessionID=415b25cd1ed875d3-app2&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=
this is one of the rabbits we are looking at...

bunnyluv17
09-29-04, 03:22 pm
Oh and there is a rabbit rescue near us and we already contacted them they wouldn't adopt out to my friends because the rabbit wouldn't be inside the actual house. Apparently sun rooms aren't ok..............
the only problems I can see with the sunroom are
a) the rabbit will be seperated from the rest of the house and may not get the attention he/she needs
b) rabbits are sensitive to heat and so the sunroom may be too hot in the summer(or too cold in the winter)

bunnyluv17
09-29-04, 03:25 pm
Ok thanks I will have them check that out. Um can't rabbits be totally litter box trained with no bedding except news paper? I will remember the bowl thing. Does the cage sound big enough? 24in wide x 72in length?
The dimensions sound ok. Just make sure it is tall enough so the rabbit can stand up fully on his hind feet. and make sure he gets at least three hours exercise time each day.

Rabbits do need safe litter in their litter box, but they don't need bedding in their cage.

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 03:27 pm
[QUOTE=bunnyluv17]The dimensions sound ok. Just make sure it is tall enough so the rabbit can stand up fully on his hind feet. and make sure he gets at least three hours exercise time each day.

Rabbits do need safe litter in their litter box, but they don't need bedding in their cage.[/QUOT


Um I think we decided that they will use wood pellets cheap and easy to get...
Um I do believe the cage is 2 1/2 feet high not sure though.

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 03:30 pm
the only problems I can see with the sunroom are
a) the rabbit will be seperated from the rest of the house and may not get the attention he/she needs
b) rabbits are sensitive to heat and so the sunroom may be too hot in the summer(or too cold in the winter)





Hmmm, ya but there is no where else they can keep the bunny......... And the sun room isn't that hot during the summer..... And in the winter they have a little heater. Um the kids pretty much spend all their time in the sun room because the rest of the house is for the senior care facility....

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 03:31 pm
They take really good care of their animals, you should see how well they treat their fishies. And the chickens were well taken care of too.

bunnyluv17
09-29-04, 03:34 pm
What type of toys? Do they like hidey houses (mine didn't but do yours)?
Some of my rabbit's favorite toys are cardboard boxes with multiple bunny doors cut in the sides, cardboard tunnel (available at home improvement stores), untreated baskets, pinecones (baked at 200 degrees for 20 minutes), phonebooks to shred, a digging pot, hard plastic baby toys, a towel, newspaper to shred, etc.. He also likes toys that make noise (like certain baby toys). Some rabbits enjoy a digging box filled with hay or shredded paper, or a sand box. www.rabbit.org (http://www.rabbit.org) has a long list of toy ideas. There are also many websites that cater exclusively to rabbits. Rabbits tend to like hidey houses only if they have multiple doors. Untreated apple tree branches are also a favorite.

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 03:36 pm
[QUOTE=bunnyluv17]Some of my rabbit's favorite toys are cardboard boxes with multiple bunny doors cut in the sides, cardboard tunnel (available at home improvement stores), untreated baskets, pinecones (baked at 200 degrees for 20 minutes), phonebooks to shred, a digging pot, hard plastic baby toys, a towel, newspaper to shred, etc.. He also likes toys that make noise (like certain baby toys). Some rabbits enjoy a digging box filled with hay or shredded paper, or a sand box. www.rabbit.org (http://www.rabbit.org/) has a long list of toy ideas. There are also many websites that cater exclusively to rabbits. Rabbits tend to like hidey houses only if they have multiple doors. Untreated apple tree branches are also a favorite.[/QUO


Ok thanks!

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 03:39 pm
I think I will make one of my Piggy and Bunny tents that I make and sell, and give it to them, for a hidey house. For their bunny when they get her.

bunnyluv17
09-29-04, 03:40 pm
Oh and is there any other food that is ok?
They live in the same area as me and it is so hard to find Oxbow products. And shipping costs waaay to much.
I would stay away from Kaytee as I have heard bad things about their rabbit food. Look for plain rabbit pellets (no seed or other "junk"). And make sure there isn't any corn in the ingredients. I would also avoid any rabbit treats from pet stores. They are basically just sugar and are unhealthy. The best treats for rabbits would be small pieces of banana, apple, pear, carrot, or raisons.

Furkidsmommy
09-29-04, 04:03 pm
I have read that rabbits and young children do not mix

"Contrary to Easter-time hype, rabbits are rarely a good choice for a small child (younger than 7 yrs.). The natural exuberance, rambunctiousness, and decibel-level of the average toddler is stressful for most rabbits. Children want a companion they can hold and cuddle; Rabbits need someone who understands that they are ground-loving creatures."
(quote taken from rabbit.org http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/children.html#number)

I have two rabbits who do not like loud noises, I can't imagine them being in a room with pre-scool children all day.
other good rabbit links http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/rabrefs.html

Furkidsmommy
09-29-04, 04:20 pm
You said the sunroom was the only place they could keep the rabbit. Where do they live? Does the sunroom have air conditioning? You should read this http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/indoorbun.html (http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/indoorbun.html) It has information about heat and rabbits. A rabbit can not withstand temperatures greater than 78 degrees. I would say any hotter than about 75 degrees and the animal should be in a location with air conditioning.



In addition, Rabbits, like guinea pigs prefer the companionship of another rabbit http://www.rabbit.org/journal/3-8/rabbits-in-the-plural.html (http://www.rabbit.org/journal/3-8/rabbits-in-the-plural.html)

cinn&sprinslave
09-29-04, 04:24 pm
You said the sunroom was the only place they could keep the rabbit. Where do they live? Does the sunroom have air conditioning? You should read this http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/indoorbun.html (http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/indoorbun.html) It has information about heat and rabbits. A rabbit can not withstand temperatures greater than 78 degrees. I would say any hotter than about 75 degrees and the animal should be in a location with air conditioning.



In addition, Rabbits, like guinea pigs prefer the companionship of another rabbit http://www.rabbit.org/journal/3-8/rabbits-in-the-plural.html (http://www.rabbit.org/journal/3-8/rabbits-in-the-plural.html)


They live in Oregon (same as where I live) and yes they have air conditioning in the sun room. But it certainly doesn't stay as cool as the house. Hmm maybe a rabbit isn't for them then, I don't think they want to get two. And obviuosly they can't change the age of their kids. I was hoping that if the bunny grew up with the kids from a young age it would adapt to having the kids around....

bunnyluv17
09-30-04, 12:31 pm
They live in Oregon (same as where I live) and yes they have air conditioning in the sun room. But it certainly doesn't stay as cool as the house. Hmm maybe a rabbit isn't for them then, I don't think they want to get two. And obviuosly they can't change the age of their kids. I was hoping that if the bunny grew up with the kids from a young age it would adapt to having the kids around....
Would they consider guinea pigs instead? Guinea pigs are probably more tolerant to being cuddled than rabbits, but they would still have to make sure their kids are gentle and handle them only with supervision.

Maybe they could wait until the kids are a little older before adopting a rabbit.

cinn&sprinslave
09-30-04, 03:15 pm
Would they consider guinea pigs instead? Guinea pigs are probably more tolerant to being cuddled than rabbits, but they would still have to make sure their kids are gentle and handle them only with supervision.

Maybe they could wait until the kids are a little older before adopting a rabbit.
No personally I don't think guinea pigs are right for them either. I mean I don't think guinea pigs should live in a sun room. And now that I think about it neither should bunnies..... Hmmmm maybe they should just stick to fish................
And I have had bad experiences with what happens if someone has young kids and they take a piggy home......

bunnyluv17
09-30-04, 04:08 pm
No personally I don't think guinea pigs are right for them either. I mean I don't think guinea pigs should live in a sun room. And now that I think about it neither should bunnies..... Hmmmm maybe they should just stick to fish................
And I have had bad experiences with what happens if someone has young kids and they take a piggy home......
I have seen pets in nursing homes before, why can't they have pets inside?

cinn&sprinslave
09-30-04, 06:23 pm
I have seen pets in nursing homes before, why can't they have pets inside?

Because they aren't a nursing home, a nursing home is facility where the residents have room where they eat, where they can watch tv etc. But a foster home is a place where a family takes in adults, children, or old people and takes care of them. They can't have a pet inside because the pet would be too near where the old people eat, and sleep etc.

cinn&sprinslave
09-30-04, 06:46 pm
Because they aren't a nursing home, a nursing home is facility where the residents have room where they eat, where they can watch tv etc. But a foster home is a place where a family takes in adults, children, or old people and takes care of them. They can't have a pet inside because the pet would be too near where the old people eat, and sleep etc.


Sorry I need to add to my post a foster home is actually in a home where people live not like a nursing home where a nusing home is a building built especially for old folks. There are rules when you run a foster home.....