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Himino
12-26-06, 02:26 pm
Hey everyone,

Most of you know about both of my piggies, Gizmo and Pollie, who passed away not that long ago. I have been confused in weather or not I will adopt any more in the future. After thinking about it and talking to some people I have decided that I will. I was looking at my cage and for no reason began to fix it up. This is what it was:

http://www.guineapigcages.com/photos/data/2/medium/IMGP1239.JPG

It had grids lose and connecters missing and it was truely an eyesore. So I decided not only to rebuild my cage but my relationship with my future piggies.
When my father comes to visit in January I plan on making a trip to my local humane socitey. I hope to adopt a fixed male/female pair, or two females. But as of now I am getting my home and myself ready for them.
This is where the cage is now:

http://www.guineapigcages.com/photos/data/2/1_efcd32ef457205e348029c6d68e7ff7bworking.jpg

http://www.guineapigcages.com/photos/data/2/2_8fdc84a2de23b414048b907f91654d7eworking.jpg

The cage is now a 2x4. I am in the process of getting it flecce ready. I also have to buy another pack of grids from Bath and Body works. The cage is not the only thing that I am changing with this project. I will be starting my job soon so I plan to use half of my check on my animals. I will use that money for immediate care and set the rest aside in case of emergencies. That way my animals/guinea pigs will get everything they need while I know if anything happens to them I can have that extra money to get them vet care asap.
I want to keep updating this page with my progress on all aspects of the "projet". I want to thank the amazing members here at Cavy Cages for supporting me and making me feel better in the wake of my boys loss. I hope to incourage others who have lost pets to keep going. I love the species so much and would feel bad if I didn't rescue as many as I could and give them a great life.

CavySpirit
12-26-06, 03:01 pm
It looks great. I'm glad you are going to adopt and save some more piggies soon.

All the best!

Himino
12-26-06, 03:19 pm
Thanks! I look up to you so much, so having you say that motivates me even more.

Himino
12-26-06, 04:43 pm
I just have a quick question for you guys. When prewashing the fleece before you first use it should I use detergent or just water? And do you think a 2x4 is enough room for two guineas or should I just make a whole new cage?

fourbwabbys
12-26-06, 08:58 pm
Did the lady from the video ever get into contact with you? That would be great if you could adopt those two and get them out of those conditions.

Himino
12-26-06, 09:04 pm
No, not yet. I doubt she will. But if she does I'll be so happy. I'll keep you posted.

Slave to the Wheek
12-26-06, 11:24 pm
Don't know the back story but it's good to know you are working hard at getting everything ready. Imagine how happy you can make two piggers lives compared to how they would have to live if they were in a regular person's lousy petstore cage and fed nothing but pellets.

I highly recommend, ney, urge folks to use zip ties. They are worth the 2 bucks. If you zip tie them at each connector, both at the bottom and at the top, your cage will be indestructable. See my gallery for close up of how I zip tied mine. Use a good size zip tie, and place it below where the connector holds the two pieces together.

This not only keeps it tight, but it helps hold the connectors firmly in place. Basically the connector and the zip tie work as a team. The connector holds the grid sturdy, the zip tie keeps it tight. Then cut them with a pair of wire cutters really close to the connection.

Even though it's technically "ok" to not put a floor on your cage, I think you will find that it's soooo much more worth it to make a floor. The floor keeps the grids from "splaying" out and keeps the sides from popping around and when you bump it, it doesn't budge.

Either way, good luck in everything!

this_lil_piggy
12-27-06, 03:20 am
Good going on your improvements, and congrats on considering two new piggers to love!

On the fleece subject, I would say yes, use detergent. The detergent should help break down any waterproofing chemicals that may have been sprayed on the fabric.
I use detergent and either bleach or vinegar each time I wash my fleece, to clean and disinfect it. Avoid fabric softners though, they will add a film to the fleece that will prevent it absorbing as it should.

Himino
12-27-06, 11:08 am
I have the fleece ready and I have a layer of newspapers, then a layer of towels. Should I have two layers of towels or will one do. I'll be putting down the fleece later on today after I clean the rest of the room. Oh, and thanks Slave- those are some good tips! Thanks you lil_piggy also!

cookie_gal
12-27-06, 11:12 am
Thats great you will be getting more. I say the biggest compliment you can give your past pet is to get another one as you enjoyed them so much.

this_lil_piggy
12-27-06, 02:52 pm
I think how many layers of towels, depends on the thickness of the towels. Some shop or kitchen type towels can be pretty thin and with those I would probably use 2-3 layers of them.
I use regular bath towels that are relatively thick, and I use only one layer of them. I cleaned my cage last night and was surprised to find that after a week, the bath towels had done such an awesome job of absorbing and drying that my newspaper underneath had not really even gotten wet! I found one spot in the boars cage where the top layer of newspaper in one corner had gotten slightly damp, and that was it. I wound up only having to remove and replace one small section of newspaper.

Himino
12-27-06, 06:21 pm
Don't know the back story but it's good to know you are working hard at getting everything ready. Imagine how happy you can make two piggers lives compared to how they would have to live if they were in a regular person's lousy petstore cage and fed nothing but pellets.

Here's the link to my other thread, incase anyone is interested in what happened to my previous guinea pigs.

http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/about-guinea-pigs/23117-i-could-use-your-opinion.html

Himino
12-27-06, 07:11 pm
Hey,

Just a quick update! I put down the fleece and it looks great! We'll just have to see how long that will last. I also called my Humane Society to see if they have any guineas up for adoption. The girl said they have six, but she's not sure of what. Unsure how many are boys or girls, if they are fixed, or if there are any bonded pairs. So I'll most likely be helping to sex pigs when it go to look at them. But hopefully I'll find a fixed male/female pair like I wanted. If not I will look at getting two females, as I've never had females. And because now my cage is a 2x4 and males would need more space.
Even though I miss Gimzo and Pollie so much and wish they were still with me, I'm excited to be adding to my already large pet family.

Himino
12-27-06, 10:34 pm
I was wondering if anyone had things they would recommend I do before I get my new piggies?

Himino
12-31-06, 10:11 am
I am excited because I'm going to adopt my new piggies on the third! The shelter is closed till the 2nd because of New Years Eve. Today I will be getting all my supplies, and I'm happy because I found a pet store that sells oxbow pellets! Right now I need hay, pellets, toys, a hammock, zip ties, and a new hay rack. I will also get some batteries so I can post pictures my lovely new cage.

I have an important question though. With Critical Care, if it has been opened before and not used for a long time could it harm the animal you give it to. I ask this because my vet while treating Pollie gave us some Critical Care, but it had been opened perviously and we have no way of knowing how long it had been sitting out. I am suspious that the critical care may have killed them. They were both sick but right after we had got done feeding them a big syringe of it they died. And they both died the exact same way. It just doesn't add up. It seems after they had a lot of the old Critical Care they just went down hill. This has been bugging me so I just wanted to ask what you think...

Ly&Pigs
12-31-06, 02:49 pm
Not sure if it was the Critical Care or not. When handfeeding you have to be especially careful that you don't aspirate it into their lungs.


Right now I need hay, pellets, toys, a hammock, zip ties, and a new hay rack.Many piggies don't use hammocks so you might want to provide at least 2 hidey houses as well.

Himino
12-31-06, 05:53 pm
Okay.
Yeah, I have two already one regular hidey pigloo and another really large one. I set up the cage and it looks great I'm so proud that I did a great job all on my own. I'll be posting pictures of it soon.

Himino
12-31-06, 07:17 pm
Okay here you go! This is the transformation!


First the cage was ugly, flumsy, and all around not that nice.http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1453/5647708/11223413/217861645.jpg


Then I decided to make some changes. I cut the cage down from a 2x5 to a 2x4. Changed from aspen to fleece bedding, and fixed the stucture of the cage. This picture is when I was at the half way point:



http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1453/5647708/11223413/217861641.jpg


And at last after some time and money spent here is my new and improved C&C cage! As you can see it's a 2x4. It has two pigloos, a hammock, a food area, and some toys.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1453/5647708/11223413/217861667.jpg


This shows the hammock area and kitchen. If the piggies don't like or use the hammock, I'll mostlikely get a cozy cup instead. I am using a mat in the kitchen/food area so that hay won't get tracked onto the fleece.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1453/5647708/11223413/217861660.jpg

Long view:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1453/5647708/11223413/217861652.jpg

Fanch
12-31-06, 07:24 pm
Wow, it looks so much better then the first cage. Great job, I bet your soon to be piggies will love it.

Himino
01-01-07, 10:53 pm
Thanks Fanch!

I bought some pellets, and they are from kaytee. But they are timothy hay based and don't have any bad extra bits. Would this be okay to feed them? After these bags run out I will be useing oxbow, but can I use the pellets I have for now? I only ask because I've heard that people don't like kaytee, or is it Hartz thats bad?

Heres a pic of the pellets:
http://www.petsmart.com/media/ps/images/products/detail/large/April04/lg_5945_37683.jpg

this_lil_piggy
01-02-07, 01:32 am
Timothy Complete by Kaytee... Ingredients list:
Ingredients
Sun-cured Timothy Grass Hay, Wheat Middlings, Ground Wheat, Oat Hulls, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Dried Cane Molasses, Salt, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), DL-Methionine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Vitamin A Supplement, Choline Chloride, Ferrous Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement, Manganous Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Ethoxyquin (a preservative), Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of vitamin K activity), Copper Oxide, Cholecalciferol (source of vitamin D3), Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Folic Acid, Calcium Iodate, Dried A. oryzae Fermentation Extract (source of protease), Dried Bacillus coagulans Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus licheniformis Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Cobalt Carbonate, Sodium Selenite.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min.)...............14.0%
Crude Fat (min.)......................2.0%
Crude Fiber (max.).................22.0%
Moisture (max.).....................12.0%
Ascorbic Acid (min.)..............100mg/lb

Ly&Pigs
01-02-07, 01:37 am
Not a good choice of pellets. Contains a cancer causing preservative called ethoxyquin and tons of dried bacterias that pigs don't need.

this_lil_piggy
01-02-07, 01:50 am
I bought some pellets, and they are from kaytee. But they are timothy hay based and don't have any bad extra bits. Would this be okay to feed them? After these bags run out I will be useing oxbow, but can I use the pellets I have for now? I only ask because I've heard that people don't like kaytee, or is it Hartz thats bad?

Hartz products are really really bad. I have seen their flea collars make my dog very very sick, so I won't risk what their products may do to my even more sensitive pigs.
I posted the ingredients list above for the Kaytee Timothy pellets. It is good that the first listed ingredient is timothy hay, thats a plus in their favor. I don't know much about the different vitamins and such. BUT, :sorry: I do know that gpigs don't normally "do" grains (wheat) and oats so those aren't recommended. Still, I thought you might could get by with them for a while until you can buy better but then I saw this in the list: " Ethoxyquin (a preservative)". I know from previous pellet discussions that Ethoxyquin is one of the cancer causing preservatives that has been recommended to avoid . Guinea Lynx :: Pellets (http://www.guinealynx.info/pellets.html)
It is up to you, if you want to risk the preservative or not, but if you want opinion--if it were me I would avoid them. I have used these pellets before, back before I knew any better than to read ingredients and what to watch for.

Anyhoo, I got side tracked with your question hehe My original purpose for replying was to give you a pat on the back. You have done a great job on your cage! The improvements are great, and I know you and your future adoptee's are going to LOVE it! :cheerful: You might wind up with a piggy that likes the hammock. I have 7 piggers, and 3 of them love to use a piece of fleece made into a make shift hammock to snuggle in and what appears to be cleaning themselves or scratching their backs.......they get in and just roll over and over and over and scoot around on their back in it, like a dog rolling in grass. hehe

kittieb
01-02-07, 01:59 am
Wow! The cage looks great! You are doing an awsome job :).
I'm sure the new piggys are going to be very happy :).

Himino
01-02-07, 11:21 am
Thanks you guys!
Okay, I'll call the petstore that sells Oxbow to see if they have any in stock. If so I'll return the Kaytee pellets and buy the other Oxbow pellets. I hope they have them because I don't want to use a pellet that can be possibley dangerous to my animals.

On a bad note the Humane Society is still closed and it is closed tommorrow too. I had planned on getting them tommorrow but if they aren't open I'm screwed because on the 4th my dad is leaving. So I don't know if I can get them? I'm frustrated but I think it'll make it work!

Himino
01-02-07, 10:10 pm
I see that the tread was moved, but it's not only about the cage so should it be here? I plan on posting things about my pigs once I get them.

Himino
01-02-07, 10:28 pm
Okay update time!!!

I'll be getting (hopefully!) two girls from the Humane Socitey, on Thursday. I called today and they still have guinea pigs up for adoption. I will mostlikely have to sex the guinea pigs myself because it seems no one there knows how!! So I'm hoping they have two younger females that will get along. They don't have to be young though, I just want to have them for as long as possible!

Today I found a petstore in a city right out side of mine that sells Oxbow. I got there and couldn't find pellets just hay. So I asked the guy working and he pointed them out to us. Sadly they didn't have Cavy Cusine, only Cavy Performance. I will give the guineas that till both bags run out and then will order Cavy Cusine for them online.
Then after getting the pellets I was able to take back the Kaytee pellets. I couldn't find the recepit (sp?) so they let us have store credit. I bought a water bottle cleaner and some pregrown grass thing for my rabbit and future guinea pigs. (My dad spent the rest on things for his cat!)
So that was my day, well the only part dealing with guinea pigs!

P.S. I recommend that anyone who doesn't have a bottle cleaner, should get one! They are great and the water bottles look cleaner than ever!

Ly&Pigs
01-03-07, 04:57 pm
I see that the tread was moved, but it's not only about the cage so should it be here? I plan on posting things about my pigs once I get them.I moved it here as it is predominantly about your cage. Feel free to start a new thread in "About Guinea Pigs" once you get your new pigs.

Percy's Mom
01-03-07, 05:14 pm
Go back to that store and ask them if they can order the Cavy Cuisine for you. Most of the time, if they already get one or two kinds of products from a company, they can special order other things.

Tulia&Susie
01-03-07, 08:10 pm
Wow! Great job on the cage it looks really nice.

Himino
01-04-07, 04:03 pm
Go back to that store and ask them if they can order the Cavy Cuisine for you. Most of the time, if they already get one or two kinds of products from a company, they can special order other things.

I think I'll be getting it online after the bags run out. It is easier as my mom doesn't drive so I can't get them there all the time anyway.
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Thanks T&S!

Himino
01-04-07, 04:04 pm
I have my new piggies home! I'll start a thred in the About Guinea Pigs section as Ly said above. Thanks for all your help on the cage!