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messie47714
07-22-06, 11:45 am
I am afraid to ask anything at this point since I started out so poorly. I can only ask forgiveness for ignorance, for poor since of humor with people who do not know me, and for emotionally illcalculated responses.
I have decided to keep the bunnies because I will drive myself with worry over who they are with. Some of you know I have 2 boys and 1 girl. They were originally sexed as 1 boys and 2 girls. About 2 weeks ago I was informed I had 2 boys Rose was a Bob. This morning while Bob was running he ran to the room that Britney was running. I told the kids I did not want them to have babies that is why they are no longer roomies. Too late, There are babies in the cage this morning - fur less little adorable babies.
Please advise. I left a message at the vet.
How do I clean the cage? Do I restrain from holding them? Does mom need extra help with her milk production for -I think I saw 7-babies? Mom is about 7 months old. Please do not be mad- I am trying to get info fast.
I will have them sexed properly as soon as they are old enough -which is when? and Grid caged accordingly.
Since the last conversation I have rearranged rooms so they can have more time out of the cages and increased piggies and 2 rabbit cages.

VoodooJoint
07-22-06, 11:54 am
This is a good link Domestic Baby Bunnies and Their Mom (http://rabbit.org/care/babies.html)

messie47714
07-22-06, 04:53 pm
thank you VoodooJoint

VoodooJoint
07-22-06, 05:29 pm
You're welcome and good luck. If you have more questions there is a very active rabbit board on Yahoo Groups called Etherbun. You can also ask questions there. Be warned that it is so active that it's hard for the mods to keep up with bad advice so if something sounds iffy wait and see what other's say.

bunnyluv17
07-23-06, 03:59 pm
I've had some experience with this since I fostered a mother rabbit and her five newborns for my local SPCA. My first piece of advice is to not disturb the nest. She should have made a nest out of hay/fur/bedding in which the babies are kept. You can clean the cage, but just clean around the nest. If you can find a shallow cardboard box, line it with blankets and then place the whole nest in the box.

I would not build a new cage for the mamma and babies right now, just keep them in the same cage until the babies are weaned (8 weeks of age). The grid spaces on the C&C cages are too large for little babies, and it would stress her out by moving her into a new cage.

What are you feeding her right now? Nursing mothers should be fed an unlimited amount of alfalfa-based pellet along with alfalfa hay and timothy hay. Any diet changes must be made slowly. If she is used to getting fresh vegetables and greens, then you can increase the amount you give her. If she is not used to getting fresh food, you must introduce them slowly.

You can handle the babies, but watch for the mother's reaction first. If she doesn't seem to care then go ahead and handle them, but if she seems upset then let her run around outside of the cage while you handle them. Make sure the babies are nice and warm with round stomachs. While they are this young, it would be best to only handle them for short periods of time.

You can probably start sexing them by 4-5 weeks of age and then have it confirmed by a rabbit-savvy vet around 8 weeks of age. Male and female rabbits need to be seperated by 8-10 weeks of age. They will go into puberty around three to four months of age, and will need to be spayed/neutered to prevent fights.

I have to ask you a few questions though. Are you now 100% sure of the sexes of your adult rabbits? Are you going to spay/neuter your other rabbits so this doesn't happen again? Are you going to spay/neuter all the babies or make sure that their future owners will?

Good Luck! Baby bunnies are a lot of fun, but also a lot of hard work.

messie47714
07-24-06, 11:00 am
I am going to start wieghing the babies then rubbing them against mom. She seems to have sorted them. There is a total of 8. Ouch.
I also am grateful for the post that give advise on keeping cool. Saturday my air conditioner when bluh. It is miserable and I am so scared. All furry family lay stretched out and panting and my fleshy family is sweating. Thought we had it fixed on Sunday but it stopped again in the night. I will be moving everyone to the first level after work. At least there is a breeze blowing through and the fans to help circulate air.

messie47714
07-24-06, 03:22 pm
As much a I appreciate this site and it information I can not spend $150 to nueter a rabbit. If I new how to get them nuetered cheaper I would- in a heartbeat. I spay and nueter all my other pets.(except the guneas) I pay $50 per cat.

I was told I had 2 girls and 2 boys when I had 4 rabbits but until I let someone adopt one of them I only had 2 sexed right. I thought rose and britney were girls so they were roomates and the other 2 boys. Goerge turn out to be Goergette and Rose was Bob. As soon as the babies are big enough my Vet while see them and hopefully sex them right and I will seperate girls from the boys. As for new owners I really wish I could let them go but as my husband puts it I am pychotic and am scared to death the will be fed to a snake or mistreated. And anytime I post to petfinders I get what looks like a form letter.

Air conditioner guys are coming tomorrow.

Weatherlight
07-24-06, 05:00 pm
Honestly, if you can't afford to take care of your rabbits (including spay/neuter), you shouldn't be keeping any. Spaying is especially important for female rabbits because of the risks of ovarian/uterine problems.

House Rabbit Society Rabbit Care Guide (http://www.rabbit.org/) is a very good site. Read through the Care, Behavior, and Health sections. I nearly cried reading this: Onyx's Medical Story (http://www.mybunnies.com/onyx_surgery.htm) It's about a rabbit who did have her ovaries removed but not her uterus. You really don't want this happening to your bun.

Make absolutely sure that anyone who adopts your rabbits is going to provide fresh water, feed them properly, give them vet checkups, and SPEUTER THEM. It's a basic part of good rabbit care.

tweetypie
07-24-06, 07:36 pm
those sites are good ones, I would just like to add that if you try and clean the cage please leave the nest there, I know not all mothers do it but some eat the babies once you have moved the nest.

I would just try and clean up where she goes to the toliet. and give her more veg to keep up the strengh.

Plus someone has said about the squares in the cc cages being to wide, when the babies get a little older they move very fast, If they are in one of these cages please put some card around it to stop the babies getting out.

best of luck

bunnyluv17
07-24-06, 11:09 pm
I am going to have to agree with Weatherlight. I know it can be very expensive to spay/neuter a rabbit, but it is essential to prevent certain diseases and behavior issues. If you are really considering keeping all of the babies as well as your original rabbits, you realize this could easily happen again and again and again if the rabbits are not fixed? You could literally end up with hundreds of rabbits. Unfixed rabbits (even two girls) can be hard to house together because their raging hormones will often cause them to fight. Do you realize that you might end up with 11 adult rabbits that will all have to be housed seperately and be given seperate exercise times? Not to mention the cost of food, bedding, and veterinary care?

I do not know where you live, but you could call around to local shelters and see if any could offer low-cost spay/neuter for rabbits. Or if you have a local House Rabbit Society chapter or rabbit rescue near you, they will sometimes have spay/neuter vouchers. At the very least, they could offer advice and assistance.

messie47714
07-25-06, 08:01 am
Thank you agian BunnyLuv. I live in Southern Indiana and will call around. When I was told $150 + meds I about fell out of my seat.
To all please tell how much you paid so I know what I am looking for in a price range. Our local humane society does not spay or nueter the small animals do to cost.

aml1676
07-25-06, 08:53 am
Thank you agian BunnyLuv. I live in Southern Indiana and will call around. When I was told $150 + meds I about fell out of my seat.
To all please tell how much you paid so I know what I am looking for in a price range. Our local humane society does not spay or nueter the small animals do to cost.

I live in Indianapolis, and just checked with my regular vet this last weekend... she charges $140 + pain meds (this includes an overnight stay) for a neuter, and $160 + pain meds for a spay. Same for guinea pigs.

There is a low-cost spay/neuter facility in Bloomington that does rabbits -- they neuter all the rabbits for the humane society there and for Bloomington Pets Alive. I think it's about $50; I can get the contact info for you if you're interested.

Whatever the cost, it's definitely worth it. As a fosterer, I've had everything from brand new babies to adult bunnies, and with the mess from the babies as they mature (they spray and poop EVERYWHERE), I can't imagine what it would be like to live with unaltered rabbits.

As someone else mentioned, you definitely need to separate girls from boys around 10 weeks, but I wouldn't separate them before. They need to nurse and stay with mommy as long as possible. Boys can be neutered at 16 weeks, girls probably not until 24 weeks. Also, you can clean the nest box (and you will need to -- they get really skanky); just try to save as much of the fur covering as you can. I cleaned it once a week after the first couple of weeks, using carefresh, soft hay, and as much of the original nest as I could salvage. Mommy bunnies shouldn't mind if you handle the babies, and you *should* handle them to get them used to it.

Good luck -- there's nothing cuter than baby bunnies, but I hope I never have to deal with them again. I had 10 at once, in 2 different litters, and they were little devils!

bunnyluv17
07-25-06, 10:09 am
Indiana also has a HRS chapter Indiana House Rabbit Society - Rabbit Care - Rabbit Adoption (http://www.indianahrs.org/)

My local SPCA clinic (in VA) charges $40 for a rabbit neuter and $60 for a rabbit spay.



There is a low-cost spay/neuter facility in Bloomington that does rabbits -- they neuter all the rabbits for the humane society there and for Bloomington Pets Alive. I think it's about $50; I can get the contact info for you if you're interested.

messie47714
07-25-06, 10:59 am
More specifically I live in Evansville. I will call the Fort Branch Vet, everyone says he is cheap. Keep sending my ideas.
Last night I could only find 7 of the 8 babies and 3 of them looked so small. I rubbed them on mom and then put them back in the nest we will see if they have gained any wieght tonight.

aml1676
07-26-06, 09:02 am
Indiana also has a HRS chapter Indiana House Rabbit Society - Rabbit Care - Rabbit Adoption (http://www.indianahrs.org/)

I'm actually the Fostering Director for Indiana HRS :)

We don't have vouchers, and the only low-cost spay/neuter for rabbits that we've been able to find is the one I mentioned in Bloomington. Here's their info:

Pets ALIVE Spay/Neuter Clinic
6522 S. Empire Road
Bloomington, IN 47401
812-824-1FIX
[email protected]
Pets ALIVE Spay / Neuter Clinic Bloomington IN Indiana (http://www.petsalivespayneuter.org)

The only Evansville vet listed on our website is Dr. Laura Bakowski at the Village East Animal Hospital. If that isn't the clinic you use, you might try contacting them. The Vanderburgh Humane Society accepts rabbits and other small animals -- I don't know if they spay/neuter, or offer discounted services through their staff vet, but you might call them and see if they know of any programs locally.

Make sure the babies are staying warm, and check to make sure their tummies are round. You should be able to dig around in the nest box if you need to find them all; I'm worried that you say you can't find #8. How is Mommy Bunny? Does she seem stressed? You won't notice her nursing -- they nurse in the very, very early morning, and at night, and then they pretty much leave the nest alone.

messie47714
07-28-06, 10:27 am
I found #8!!!!!
I am still very concerned about 3 of the babies. They are about a 3rd the size of the rest and bellies only slightly rounded if at all. They are warm and lively, but not growing.

aml1676
07-28-06, 10:45 am
I found #8!!!!!
I am still very concerned about 3 of the babies. They are about a 3rd the size of the rest and bellies only slightly rounded if at all. They are warm and lively, but not growing.

Well, 8 babies is a lot, and I would think you could expect some slow-growers. Just keep monitoring them -- it's really hard to syringe-feed baby bunnies as they tend to aspirate into their lungs, so it's best if they get nutrition from mom. If it looks like they aren't being fed, revisit that link that VoodooJoint placed earlier in the thread.

You should notice lots of activity going on -- I think around 10 days is when my babies started popping themselves out of the nestbox. You just have to pick 'em up and put 'em back in! I'd come home from work and find 3 of the 5 huddled together in the corner of the condo, keeping warm. Silly babies.

messie47714
07-31-06, 08:20 am
We did the weekend clean the cages thing. I lifted the nest with all babies and set them in a rolled towel on the bed. Britney (mom) sat there with them while my husband petted her. .. It was so cute. I was able to clean the cage real good. There will be pictures soon. Hopefully this evening.

Hopefully the 3 smallest are just slow growers as mentioned in the last post. They are so skinny. One was running the cage on all 4 tip toes. Their eye are still closed.

messie47714
07-31-06, 10:17 pm
pictures.....okay I m an idiot. I will try agian to post them. They are on the computer - but I can not figure out how to put them on the thread.

messie47714
08-07-06, 08:39 pm
Not sure if anyone is reading this thread but we lost one baby. I think mom stepped on it. Baby's ribs or back was crushed. Two more are still small but the other are already showing interest in food nd water. They are 2 weeks and 3 days old.

tashagurl
08-09-06, 07:01 pm
I so sorry for your loss. Im really glad your other two are doing so well.

messie47714
08-09-06, 10:26 pm
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I have now lost a second one. In this picture it would be the 2 in the front the tiny black/brown and white and the larger reddish blonde. It appears they are being crushed. They are 2.5weeks old now and in this pic about 10days old. When can I seperate them or at least give them more room?

bunnyluv17
08-10-06, 07:54 am
How big is your nestbox? Is there enough room for mom to get in without stepping on her babies? How big is her cage? If you needed to move them in to a C&C cage, you just need to make sure the coroplast rim is at least 10 inches high to prevent the babies from getting out.

messie47714
08-10-06, 08:18 am
Hubby is off today and is going to work on giving them more room. I will all put a bigger nest box. Currently the larger bunnies are eating fresh grass and drinking fromthe water bottle. Hope the other start soon are.

aml1676
08-10-06, 08:56 am
They are so cute! I'm so sorry about the ones you've lost -- I think it would be very hard, because you get so attached so fast.

My babies were housed with their moms in a 2x4 and 2x3 condo, respectively. The guys in the 2x3 had 2 levels, so their total living space was a little larger. Mom's got to come out for playtime every day, and as the babies got bigger, so did they.

They can't be separated until they are at least 8 weeks old. They should nurse for that long -- 10 weeks is better. As for the nest box, the vet we deal with most told us that a women's size 8 shoe box makes the perfect size nest box. It's small enough that the babies are together for warmth, but large enough for everyone to fit.

Good luck!!

bunnyluv17
08-10-06, 11:43 am
How in the world is the mom supposed to get in there with the babies in order to nurse them? I had a very large nestbox (around 2' x 1') but I created a comfy little nest in the center by arranging towels and bedding around the babies. That way the mom had room to hop in and could then move closer to the babies.


As for the nest box, the vet we deal with most told us that a women's size 8 shoe box makes the perfect size nest box. It's small enough that the babies are together for warmth, but large enough for everyone to fit.

messie47714
08-11-06, 06:46 pm
I am going crazy-we just lost another one of the small brown ones. Of the five left I am still concerned about the other brown and white . Tonight mom played all over the bedroom and the babies ate hay. When mom would come up to get hay the babies all ran up to her for milk but she would not have it. They will be 3 weeks tonight. It is the five closest to the hands in the picture that are still with us.

bunnyluv17
08-11-06, 07:50 pm
Well, she is a first time mother. Are you sure the other babies were crushed? Maybe they are just not getting enough nourishment from mom. Have you asked your vet about possibly hand feeding them small amounts of Oxbow's critical care?


I am going crazy-we just lost another one of the small brown ones. Of the five left I am still concerned about the other brown and white . Tonight mom played all over the bedroom and the babies ate hay. When mom would come up to get hay the babies all ran up to her for milk but she would not have it. They will be 3 weeks tonight. It is the five closest to the hands in the picture that are still with us.

messie47714
09-04-06, 08:54 pm
Thought I would take a moment to give an update. It is not good news and I have been horrified through this ordeal. I gave mom and babies more room. Everybody was doing much better KiKi (brown), Snow (mostly white w/brown), Mittens (black with white paws), Danni (all black) and Noire (all black). When the time came to have them officially sexed by a vet I was going to keep the females together and find homes for the baby boys. In the mean time another female guinea was up for adoption at the VHS - we brought her home and she was doing fine with the other 2 pigs during the day but at night I kept hearing them fight or bicker. We all sleep in the same room now. Further more Phoenix my dog sleeps in my bedroom as well. This is the norm ---- was the norm. One night I was awakened by sqealing. I turned the light one everyone was fine Pheonix under my bed table and all the cages on the other side. I was awaken 2 more times. Finally I asked my husband to seperate the pigs in the morning and we will try to introduce them slower. Light out again. Then a loud squeal. Lights on. Jeff says, "Wait the sound is from your side" I look down then there is Mittens terrified but alive. I look back at the cages they are still together. Jeff looks closer and can see where Pheonix has pushed the cage back from the base just far enough to get the babies and almost returns to starting point ( I needed more zip ties). I ask for a head count-there are only 2. I turn back to get Pheonix out and hunt for Kiki and Snow. They were just inches away from where I picked up Mittens - dead. Not punctured or anything just dead. I think she was tring to play. Reguardless she now sleeps in the garage or out back. She choses when I say bedtime. Mittens died 2 days later. She acted like she was going to make it. I only have Danni and Noire. I will keep them both. The garage is being remodeled into an office and Rabbit Room. Cars are not kept in there, it was already paneled and drop ceilinged when we got it 6 yrs ago. Vet visites are budgetted for October. The babies were born July 21- That makes them 7 weeks old now. I will be buiding their homes over the next two weeks.

Percy's Mom
09-04-06, 09:30 pm
Vet visites are budgetted for October. So what happens between now and October? What if someone gets sick or injured, or what if your dog gets into any of your cages again? Do the pigs or any remaining rabbits have to way for a month to get treated?

bunnyluv17
09-05-06, 06:07 am
Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry, it must have been horrible! Have you fixed the cages so the dog can't get in even if he tries? I hope the two remaining ones are ok.

messie47714
09-05-06, 12:54 pm
So what happens between now and October? What if someone gets sick or injured, or what if your dog gets into any of your cages again? Do the pigs or any remaining rabbits have to way for a month to get treated?
Please do not start this again - the assuming I am heartless and/or stupid. I will do what I have always done in an Emergency - rob Peter to pay Paul...Look my family and I were horrified. Mittens was wet but no punctures. She hopped fine, she acted fine, I called home on every break, checked everynight, on the third day I came in to find her dead. I bawled. October is when every body go to the vet 2 dogs 3 cats 3 pig 5 rabbits. The house get a Terminix visit and we all go play for 4 hours. There are some funds there now.

messie47714
09-05-06, 12:55 pm
Have you fixed the cages so the dog can't get in even if he tries? .
yes I fixed it that night.

Percy's Mom
09-05-06, 01:45 pm
No one assumed that you're heartless or stupid. I just find it hard to believe that with 13 animals and a family, especially when you've been having so many animal issues lately, that you don't have a specific vet fund in which you're setting aside money all the time, so it's not necessary to "rob Peter to pay Paul" for them to get to the vet if needed.

What have you done, so the dog can't get into the cages again? Depending on what kind of dog Phoenix is, if he can get to the cages at all, he will be able to figure a way to get into them.

messie47714
09-05-06, 06:47 pm
I had a long answer but my browser shut down. Yes I fixed the cage. Yes I have a pet envelope. No it is not where it should be do to 2 things. "been having so many animal issues lately" and the burning desire to increase cage sizes.

I am so excited about what I have already done but have a fear of sharing because the cages are not 100%. I am sure if my critters could send a email they would thank this site for increasing my knowledge of their needs- their real needs not just basic food and water.

redangel1300
09-05-06, 07:39 pm
I have been looking for a rabbit in my area and was wondering if you are interested in adopting out any of your rabbits. I live in New Castle so I am not too far from you. Just let me know.

messie47714
09-05-06, 10:20 pm
I thought you were looking for guinea pig? Were you refering to the baby boys?