View Full Version : Unexpected Animal Encounters

04-03-06, 09:10 pm
Okay, so when I first became a vegetarian I thought that I just wouldn't eat beef, pork, chicken, fish, etc, etc. But after a while of becoming acquainted with all of the ingredients labels at the store, I'm really amazed at how much stuff has animal products in it. I mean, chewing gum? Gelatin? Alcohol? Juice? Some of the stuff is really unexpected! So, I'm really trying to be careful and censor what I eat and what goes into what I eat, but it's hard, especially when you're in a restaurant, you know? I've always loved gum, and it was horrible when I found out it was made with animal products. It's been one of the hardest things for me to give up. Anybody have any other quirky foods that have animal products that they want to share, so that other people will know about them? Or does anyone know certain brands of these weird foods that don't have animal products in them?

And secondly, since things like gum base and gelatin don't actually have physical meat in them, but are made with animal parts (bones and muscle for gelatin, for example), are they considered meat products? I avoid anything that has gelatin, gum, riboflavin, etc, in the ingredients list, but where is the line drawn? Do they "count" as meat? Are you a true vegetarian if you eat these things? How many of you eat Jell-O or pudding or chew gum? What do you guys all think? I'd like to hear your opinions. :)

04-03-06, 09:34 pm
Here's a thread that talks about some unexpected items that contain animal products: http://cavycages.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14571

04-09-06, 11:00 am
I avoid gelatin as well, ever since I watched and episode from 'Good eats'[?] on pork rindes. They say pig skin is in Gelatin. Also, if you still (I hope not) eat fries at McDonalds, don't. If you read their ingrediantes (sp) it says the fries are cooked vegetable oil with beef flavoring. It had problems in India.

04-09-06, 03:27 pm
it says the fries are cooked vegetable oil with beef flavoring. It had problems in India.

I don't think that's true anymore. I have a teacher that's a very dedicated vegan and she researched that topic. Now, they are cooked in vegetable ingredients, it used to be cooked in animal fats.

04-10-06, 08:28 pm
I went to McDonalds a week ago and, since I do not eat any fast food anymore, I grabbed a nutrition sheet (Some places don't have them, but our Mc's in WalMart did) and went to the ingrediants. They use beef extract for flavoring. If you don't belive my, read this:

French Fries:
Potatoes, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, natural flavor (beef, wheat and dairy sources), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (to preserve natural color). Cooked in partially hydrogenated vegetable oils (may contain partially hydrogenated soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated corn oil and/or partially hydrogenated canola oil and/or cottonseed oil and/or sunflower oil and/or corn oil). Contains derivatives of wheat and dairy.

04-10-06, 08:30 pm
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.categories.ingredients.in dex.html#6

04-11-06, 09:21 am
Though the ingredients vary from country to country (contrary to what they advertise) sadly Canadian McDonald's fries have beef fat too

Fries - Large
French Fries: Potatoes, a blend of partially hydrogenated fat and oil (beef fat and cottonseed oil), may contain dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate and cooked in A/V shortening (beef fat and cottonseed oil, monoglyceride citrate, propyl gallate, propylene glycol).
Salt : Salt.

That was taken from http://www.mcdonalds.ca

I usually only go to McDonald's for the occasional breakfast. It's good to know though since my SIL seems to love picking places like McDonald's where there is almost nothing for me to eat.

It's back to the good old standby of a Fruit and Yogurt parfait.

Percy's Mom
04-11-06, 09:26 am
The Fruit and Nut salad with the candied walnuts (YUM!) and yogurt to dip the apples and grapes in is really good too Sabriel.

04-11-06, 10:03 am
McDonalds recently issued a public apology to all "Hindus, vegetarians and others" for hiding the fact that there is beef in the french fries. http://www.hinduismtoday.com/press_releases/mcdonalds/

04-11-06, 01:28 pm
We don't have that in Canada, Percy's Mom. Not that I have seen. We do have apple slices and carmel for kids.

What happened to the good old days where you could get a pizza from McDonald's up here. They had the best personal pan pizzas!

04-11-06, 02:23 pm
Oh the horror! The hashbrowns have beef fat too! :( Now I can't have my Sunday morning hashbrowns. My McGriddle minus pork seems safe though as long as the blasted people can figure out that I want a *meatless" McGriddle. I mean really, do I have to show up in a PETA t-shirt to get the point across?

Percy's Mom
04-11-06, 02:42 pm
Do you get your McGriddle without the egg as well? If not, don't they cook the eggs on the same grill they do the bacon and sausage on? Or do they use frozen egg patties and microwave them? Being lucky enough to have avoided working in fast food, I honestly am not sure.

04-11-06, 02:49 pm
All the food arrives frozen (What? Did you think it was made there?...) and they reheat it on the stoves. I think with the McGriddles...do they hand it to you wrapped up? If so, then they might just microwave it...

04-11-06, 02:55 pm
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.categories.ingredients.in dex.html#6

At the bottom:

No products are certified as vegetarian; all products may contain trace amounts of ingredients derived from animals.

04-11-06, 04:44 pm
This all is extremely shocking to me. I rarely eat at McDonalds and only do when my family and I are out, and need something quick to eat. I've always gotten a fruit & nut salad (as I am a vegetarian...wanting to be vegan) and fries thinking that was the only meat-less option for me. But now I've read that they put beef oils, etc. in their fries?? I mean really, what is the point? Do they like murdering animals?? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Percy's Mom
04-11-06, 05:05 pm
Do they like murdering animals?? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:Well, they DO make the majority of their money from burgers. I doubt too many people in the company think of it as murder at all. They're thinking $$$$$.

04-11-06, 07:28 pm
At the bottom:
No products are certified as vegetarian; all products may contain trace amounts of ingredients derived from animals.

Ha! That is what I was trying to find...In 'Don't Eat This Book' by Morgan Spurlock (Supersize Me) he put that in...I was trying to find it.

04-11-06, 08:50 pm
I assume that any products I don't make myself are not certified vegetarian. I worked in the food industry. Things that are under a certain amount are not required to be listed on the ingredients list.

I just try my best.

05-15-06, 07:29 pm
I think as long as people continue to educate themselves to best of their ability in the hope to end animal suffering, then that in itself is success. I never knew the french fries had beef in them. I never eat them but my sister will munch on her kids fries and she is a vegatarian. She would be horrified. I was glad to see that Crackel Barrell lists what cooked veggies have meat in them. I would rather they not use it, but at least they notify the consumer. Does anyone continue to cook meat for their spouses/boyfriends/significant other though they do not eat it themselves?

05-16-06, 03:04 am
Over here Mcdonalds has at least some vegge products. Their vege pesto deli choice thingo is meat free ( I checked quite a few times before getting one) and of course things like the garden salads and that.

If you wnat fries the ebst place o get them is KFc and just order em without chicken salt. Over here its the only place that does not use meat products to cook it in, at least our local one dosn't.

Even though places have some veggie products, i don't think it'll help my parents. I've been veggie for THREE MONTHS and mum bought me CHICKEN NUGGETS as a snack today Arrrrrrgh. My Dad ended up having them but still, it was entirely pointless to buy them in the first place.


05-16-06, 09:48 am
To answer your question Howie I occasionally cook meat for my husband. Though since I was never good at cooking it in the first place I don't do it very often. It all depends on what I make. If I make say pasta with tomato sauce he gets veg pasta/sauce. If I make burgers I will make him a beef burger.

It all depends on A) How much effort it takes. I'm not making him rack of lamb! He can slave over super hard to make meat dishes himself if he wants them.

And B) If it's easy to make 2 different versions. Burgers are pretty easy to make seperate. Things like sauces and one pot meals are less so.

Though he does admit that for the most part my veg cooking tastes a lot better then my non veg cooking. I have a bad habit of burning meat to a crisp.

05-16-06, 03:16 pm
I just found out a few days ago the Grandma Utz's Hand Baked Potato Chips aren't veg. I ate few chips before I noticed that they tasted a little funny, and I went to look at the ingredients. It turns out that they are cooked in lard, eeeewwwwww!

05-16-06, 06:59 pm
There are these new types of Pringles: 'Loaded Baked Potatoe' I read them and didn't see any animal products, so I tried one. They tasted like a, well, loaded potatoe, but somehting wasn't right to me, so I trusted my intuintion and am not eating those anymore.

05-16-06, 07:21 pm
Why don't you just list the ingredients and we can check them? No point in not eating something if it's veg anyway.

06-10-06, 03:42 pm
JUICE??? Woah.