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Kim37040
01-16-18, 09:32 am
First, I am waiting on a call from the vet.
My area is currently in an ice and snow storm and roads are hazardous.
As a result, I can't get out of my driveway and the only clinic in my area with a regular operating schedule that I know of that I can take a pig to has a vet who also is having difficulty getting into the office

So, I am posting this to see if anyone has had a similar issue with a pig and for emotional support while I wait for the vet to call.

My sow, Joanie, was fine yesterday after dinner. I noticed at around midnight she was not in her usual spot. She is not a hider. She lays out in the open 90% of the time. I picked her up. Played with her. She seemed her usual. I did notice that her stomach was fuller than I would expect that long after a meal. But nothing alarming.
I got up this morning to a driveway I can't get out of and a Joanie who was still in hiding. She was also "puffed up" and her belly is huge.
She is pooing. Not like I am used to her pooing but they are well formed.
Still waiting on a pee.
No chance of her being pregnant. She is in a cage with her sister.
Her poo does have an different smell. Sorta chemical like (for lack of a better description).

Waiting on the clinic to call then I will get an Uber.
Of course I have been reading guinealynx and the best I can find similar is ovarian cysts. But I can't find anything that says they increase in size overnight like this.

Any info or support would be greatly appreciated.
The waiting is driving me crazy and this is the WORST day for this to happen.

Guinea Pig Papa
01-16-18, 09:56 am
I could be wrong, but it sounds like bloat.

Do you have any infant simethicone? A vibrating pillow is also ideal, but if you have a towel you can lie her on with a vibrating toothbrush, or a vibrating razor with the razor removed you can put underneath, this would also help. The buzzing may help to get her tummy moving again.

Bloat is a serious medical emergency and if you can get her in, do it ASAP.

Has she not peed at all?

Kim37040
01-16-18, 10:06 am
I haven't noticed a pee pee yet.

I have infant gas meds in my gp kit but just noticed that it is expired. Good reminder to make sure I check that more often.
I have her on on a towel now with my toothbrush under her.

Thanks for suggestion. I will try anything while I am waiting to hear back from vet.

Guinea Pig Papa
01-16-18, 10:28 am
If she hasn't peed I would be concerned that she has a bladder stone trapped in her urethra. Hopefully that's not the case.

I have not experienced this but read a fair bit on this site, and these two things are what come to my mind.

The expiry date is simply for effectiveness I believe, I don't think it'll hurt to try and give her some, especially if it isn't that old.

bpatters
01-16-18, 10:56 am
What's the expiration date on the infant gas drops? They're not likely to become dangerous after the expiration date, just possibly less effective. And they won't do that, immediately. I'd probably give her some.

Is she eating?

Kim37040
01-16-18, 11:08 am
The drops expired in 2014.
And she nibbled on some hay, but has not eaten the carrot I gave her and carrot is her favorite.
Just got the call that the vet will be in in an hour.
And she still has not peed.

spy9doc
01-16-18, 11:18 am
Hi, Kim......miss seeing you around here! So now you have sows?? I still remember the anal sac cleaning video you posted! (that was you?)

Simple gas can make a piggy mighty cranky! Have you gently thumped her belly? It usually will sound hollow if it is distended with gas. Simethicone drops and a bit of vibration has saved many a trip to the Vet for me. I know that you are an experienced piggy owner, but just as an FYI, I suggest giving her an entire dropper-full of the simethicone for the first dose and perhaps split it in two doses for the next session. I have found that it should work within 48hrs. if it is simple gas.

Yes, I see on the weather that you folks are getting slammed with ice and snow today. The storm is moving our way and we are supposed to get hit with it tomorrow. Thankfully the copious rains this past weekend melted most of the snow from the previous storm. Think it's a tough winter for much of the country.

Keep us posted!

Kim37040
01-16-18, 11:24 am
Yes, that was my video :) Me and my charlie.
Yes, I adopted 2 sows from a guinea pig rescue. I have had them since around 2013. They are the best and so much personality.
Because she has not yet made a pee, I am about to call an Uber and head to the vet.


Joanie has the most flamboyant personality of all my piggies. So, when she is in the corner, I am super concerned. Her belly does sound a bit hollow when I give it a thump.

I will keep everyone posted

Guinea Pig Papa
01-16-18, 11:51 am
Best wishes for you and Joanie. Looking forward to hearing some good news when you get home with her.

Kim37040
01-16-18, 12:20 pm
Waiting on xray results.
Praying the swelling is air and not fluid or stones.

Kim37040
01-16-18, 12:47 pm
Xray is showing air and something impacting.
Vet suggested surgery to remove impaction but she is noy as versed with pigs as u would like for her to do that to a pig who is 4 years old.
So i have asked if she can go in and remove the air and give her something to loosen her bile.
There is nothing she could have eaten that would stop her up.
Vet is looking up other options.
I am scared and i can tell that joanie is hurting.

bpatters
01-16-18, 01:18 pm
There are exotic vets in Nashville. I wouldn't let a small animal vet operate on my guinea pig.

http://www.avianandexotics.com/ -- has an exotic specialist
http://www.priestlakevet.com/about-us/meet-our-veterinarians -- has two vets "with an interest in exotics," but no certification.

Kim37040
01-16-18, 02:21 pm
Unfortunately, because of the ice and snow, getting to Nashville today is impossible.
I was lucky to get an Uber to take me to the vet.

So, we are back from the vet. It was a horrible experience! They could tell from the xray that there was a lot of air and poos in her gut just sitting there.
What they could not tell if it was because of some obstruction.

So, they removed the air from her stomach. This process had me in tears. First they tried to do it by putting a tube down her throat. After 2 tries of that not working, they decided to remove it via a needle in her stomach.
People, I cannot tell you have horrible it was to be there for all of this.
They removed the air along with like 10 syringes of gunk from her stomach.
They then put in a solution via syringe to lubricate her intestine to get the poos moving.

And the poos definitely started to move.

So, I have been told to look out for more bloating. That would mean that it was not just fecal impaction and that there is something else in there. Although nothing was seen in Xray.
I need to make sure she eats. After the procedure when I was getting aftercare instructions I put her back in her carrier and she started to eat hay.
I need to keep an eye on her poos. Make sure she keeps pooing.

If there are changes with those 3, I need to bring her back in.
I pray that if that is the case, we will be over this snow and ice and the roads will be safe for me to take her to the specialist I know in Nashville.

Appreciate thoughts and prayers.

I am putting her in a cage by herself for today so that I can better tell her poos and pees from her cage mate.

But on a difference note. This was my first time at this vet and although she said that pigs are not on her schedule often, I do appreciate how she was with me.
Cause I was a wreck during the whole tube and syringe process.

Another question - I can tell when my pigs are discomfort and I know that Joanie is right now. When I spoke to the vet I asked if it would be ok to give her some baby aspirin with her condition condition and I was told yes.
But I do not have any baby aspirin and not sure I want to get another Uber to go get any. I have regular low dose aspirin. Can I use that instead? I am thinking the baby part was just for taste and I can mix her piece of aspirin with a little baby food applesauce instead.

Thanks

Kelsie
01-16-18, 04:01 pm
Kim37040, I'm not sure about the low dose aspirin but If you look on Guinea Lynx under the medication forum they have a dosage chart for aspirin for guinea pigs.

I will keep Joanie in my thoughts and prayers. My best wishes for a quick recovery.

Guinea Pig Papa
01-16-18, 05:01 pm
Kim, you and Joanie are in mine, and my herds thoughts. All of our positive energy is being sent your way, in the hopes that Joanie's ordeal is done.

Please keep us posted on how she's doing. I'm so sorry you had to go through that with her, but if she's eating now that's definitely a positive.

spy9doc
01-16-18, 05:27 pm
What a nightmare for you! I'm so sorry that you're going through this. Chip & Sparky send wheeks of encouragement and comfort to Joanie. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

ThePigAlchemist
01-16-18, 06:02 pm
That sounds like an awful time at the vet, but at least you were there for her during that scary procedure. I hope that resolves everything and she keeps eating and pooping.

Kim37040
01-16-18, 06:22 pm
Ok. Fingers crossed that the roads are clear enough for me to go to Nashville.
Joanie is eating, but all those amazing poos she gave at the Dr.'s office have stopped.

So, if the interstate is clear tomorrow, I am taking her to an exotics doc in nashville.
Crappy that I don't have a car that I trust on the interstate covered in ice and snow.
Hopefully, I will be able to get a disc of the xrays that were taken today.

Since she is taking in but not putting out, should I give her her usual dinner or just water and hay?

the roads are super wet and temps will be below freezing tonight. Praying for no ice and that my sweet girl has a good poo filled night.

Guinea Pig Papa
01-16-18, 06:33 pm
Anything she eats now will take between 8-20 hrs to go through her system. She had lots of poos at the vets office and that's good, some of the way has been cleared.

Does she seem to be in less discomfort? To be honest I would leave her with plenty of the basics, water and hay. Plenty of fibre to go through her system and help everything along the way.

Kim37040
01-16-18, 07:27 pm
She does not seem to be in as much discomfort.
But she is so not her usual Joanie self.

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Anything she eats now will take between 8-20 hrs to go through her system. She had lots of poos at the vets office and that's good, some of the way has been cleared.

Does she seem to be in less discomfort? To be honest I would leave her with plenty of the basics, water and hay. Plenty of fibre to go through her system and help everything along the way.

Guinea Pig Papa
01-16-18, 07:34 pm
Oh, the poor sweet little girl. That face just says it all.

Are you continuing with the towel/toothbrush and the simethicone?

bpatters
01-16-18, 08:05 pm
Is she eating anything?

Kim37040
01-16-18, 08:17 pm
she is eating some hay. not not her usual. But a little
I gave her some green leaf and she ate that really well.

Kim37040
01-16-18, 08:19 pm
I gave her one dose of the simethicone.
And every 30 minutes I put turn her into a burrito and put her on the bed with my toothbrush under her for like 30 minutes.

Guinea Pig Papa
01-16-18, 08:52 pm
Hopefully that will be enough. I suspect it's going to be a long night for you, Kim, watching and worrying.

My boys all send their wheeks of support. Do keep us updated?

Kim37040
01-17-18, 10:06 am
Update -
Joanie is eating, peeing and pooping. The poops are small and irregularly shaped but I am so happy to see every little piece.
Her belly is also less distended. Her regular gushy figure is returning.

We did the toothbrush and towel procedure a few times during the night. And I gave her another dose of the simethicone.

So, her symptoms are improving.

All of this is good because I love my girl and because the roads today are worse than they were yesterday. And because of the road conditions I am out of work again today.

I have checked on the cost of an Uber to get me from here to Nashville. But the issue would be to find a driver willing to get on the interstate in these conditions.

Having a sick pig during a southern snowpocalypse is a bit of a nightmare. But she is doing better and I am beyond grateful
Thanks for all the support and warm thoughts!

Guinea Pig Papa
01-17-18, 10:34 am
So happy to hear she's doing better! Can't wait to hear more good news!

Kelsie
01-17-18, 02:55 pm
My continued good thoughts and prayers for Joanie's recovery. I was thinking about both of you last evening and first thing this morning I went to this forum for an update. I was so pleased to hear that she is improving.

Kim37040
01-18-18, 01:18 pm
Joanie continues to improve! Sooooo grateful!
She seems to really enjoy the vibrating burrito, so, we are continue with that. Her poos are near perfect in shape and consistency. Just not frequency yet.
Belly is no longer distended. But still a bit bloated I feel.

lucky for Joanie, I slipped last night and bruised my ribs. So, although our snow days are over, I am still home to keep an eye on her.

Telling her to keep getting better. Waiting on her poos to turn the tide.

Guinea Pig Papa
01-18-18, 01:26 pm
I'm so happy for Joanie, and for you! Sounds like you may have dodged a bullet for sure, but I'm hoping everything is back in order for her shortly.

Take it easy on those ribs, they're very painful. I broke 4 ribs in my back about 12-13 years ago. Excruciating.

How's her intake? She sounds like she'll need lots of fibre from hay/pellets.

Keep us all updated on how she's doing.

bpatters
01-18-18, 02:34 pm
Yay for better!

Kim37040
01-18-18, 04:06 pm
She is doing well with her hay and had her regular veggies for breakfast.

Keeping her separate from her sissy till her poos are better.
Sissy (who is not the dominate pig in the cage) seemed to be enjoying having the house to herself.

Guinea Pig Papa
01-19-18, 06:30 am
How is miss Joanie doing this morning?

Kim37040
01-19-18, 05:37 pm
Joanie continues to improve. I would say she is at like 90% right now.
I still have her separated from her cage mate, but I think I will put her back in tomorrow if she gives me a good night of poos.

For those with experience with a piggy with bloat.... Once they have it does it make them more prone toward it? Wondering if I should make vibration a part of her regular lap time. Anything preventative I should be doing?

Guinea Pig Papa
01-19-18, 05:42 pm
Joanie continues to improve. I would say she is at like 90% right now.
I still have her separated from her cage mate, but I think I will put her back in tomorrow if she gives me a good night of poos.



Very glad to hear that she's doing so much better! Way to go miss Joanie!

bpatters
01-19-18, 06:29 pm
Absolutely one episode of bloat can make them more prone to another one. I don't know that regular vibration would help, but I'd keep simethicone and a gut stimulant on hand. I'd also skip feeding any veggies that can cause gas, and introduce any new foods very slowly to make sure they don't cause problems.

Kim37040
01-19-18, 06:38 pm
Thanks. She is good about eating her regular veggies, so, I will be sure not to give her anything new and particularly gaseous.


Absolutely one episode of bloat can make them more prone to another one. I don't know that regular vibration would help, but I'd keep simethicone and a gut stimulant on hand. I'd also skip feeding any veggies that can cause gas, and introduce any new foods very slowly to make sure they don't cause problems.

pigmommy89
01-19-18, 07:01 pm
I'd also recommend keeping Critical Care on hand. That way if her gut slows down, but she is still pooping some, you can hand feed her to keep it moving along. I have a sow that has GI issues (not full-on bloat, but gets gassy and stops eating) and Critical Care has literally saved her life.

spy9doc
01-19-18, 08:45 pm
I slipped last night and bruised my ribs.

Kim, it seems that you and I had a similar day yesterday. I teach an 0800 class on Thursdays and arrived a bit early yesterday. I slipped on the ice, did a face-plant and still managed to teach a three-hour class (albeit it poorly). I was later persuaded to go to the Emergency Department where I was diagnosed with a mild concussion. Today I have what is known as post-concussion syndrome with a headache, mild dizziness and difficulty concentrating.....plus a large purple shiner around my right eye. Thankfully, it wasn't more serious.

Take care of those bruised ribs! I suspect that even breathing is uncomfortable? So happy that Joanie has turned the corner and is feeling better. The boys and I send our well wishes to you all!

sallyvh
01-19-18, 09:21 pm
Having this one episode of bloat definitely makes her more prone to bloating in the future. I would strongly recommend talking to your vet and seeing about keeping gas meds, pain meds and a gut stimulant on hand, as well as hand feeding equipment. Bloat and stasis is much easier to reverse if you catch it in it's very early stage.

I have a 7 year old girl who is very prone to bloating after her first big episode of bloat about a year and a half ago. She's on daily metacam already but I keep cisapride and metoclopramide on hand to administer as necessary. As soon as I notice something amiss with her I will give her a dose and try to get things moving. Usually all she needs is a dose or two. Unfortunately this is a fairly regular occurance for her and seems to happen about once a month or so.

Kim37040
01-19-18, 10:05 pm
Ohh. Ouch!! I am sorry about your fall!
A concussion is so disorienting.
Don't over do it!

Breathing is ok today except deep breathing. So I am sorta panting. And I would love to do a full body stretch. But I know it would probably have me on the floor.
So, just talking it easy with the pigs and netflix


Kim, it seems that you and I had a similar day yesterday. I teach an 0800 class on Thursdays and arrived a bit early yesterday. I slipped on the ice, did a face-plant and still managed to teach a three-hour class (albeit it poorly). I was later persuaded to go to the Emergency Department where I was diagnosed with a mild concussion. Today I have what is known as post-concussion syndrome with a headache, mild dizziness and difficulty concentrating.....plus a large purple shiner around my right eye. Thankfully, it wasn't more serious.

Take care of those bruised ribs! I suspect that even breathing is uncomfortable? So happy that Joanie has turned the corner and is feeling better. The boys and I send our well wishes to you all!