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shweta.rawat
11-16-16, 02:54 pm
Hello everyone! My guinea pig having a URI and here is no doc who's specialise with guinea pigs so if I have to give him some antibiotics to reduce his pain so please tell me couz I can't see him like this and I know Guinea pig owner use bactrim or baytril for URI but I don't know the dosage and btw his weigh is 0.8kg ...so plzzz help
PS - how I know he is having a URI problem ....couz he is showing symptoms like breathing fast sometime lyk when he is eating and sitting in his cage but not the time when he is in floor time and when he is running around for food , sneezing(3 or 4 time a day), making hard noises like something is stuck . Any help will be appreciated thank you

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bpatters
11-16-16, 03:38 pm
Here you go: http://www.guinealynx.info/dose_calculator.html

shweta.rawat
11-17-16, 03:29 am
And I have confusion...should I give bactrim or baytril???

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Soecara
11-17-16, 04:09 am
It depends on the age of the guinea pig and the severity of the URI whether baytril or bactrim is the better choice.

Baytril the better antibiotic for URI's, but it does often cause a guinea pig to lose their appetite so force feeding the guinea pig may be necessary (read http://www.guinealynx.info/handfeeding.html ) and also affects the good bacteria in their digestive systems so it is advised to give a probiotic an hour before or after the Baytril (read http://www.guinealynx.info/probiotics.html ). Baytril is often avoided in guinea pigs under 6 months of age as it can stunt the growth of their bones for the period of time they are on the medication, but if the URI is quite advanced it may be worth the risk of stunted growth.

Bactrim is a better antibiotic for a UTI (urinary tract infection) not a URI, but it is generally better tolerated by some guinea pigs as it may not affect the appetite as much. Bactrim doesn't have such a harsh effect on the good bacteria in the digestive system but giving a probiotic when treating with Bactrim doesn't hurt. It is generally the antibiotic of choice for treating a URI in a guinea pig under 6 months of age as it doesn't have the risk of stunting their growth, but there is the risk it may not be effective enough to cure an advanced URI so if the guinea pig is on bactrim and isn't improving/is getting worse you may need to switch antibiotics.

On a side note Doxycycline is sometimes used in combination with Baytril to treat a more stubborn URI that hasn't responded to earlier antibiotic treatments.

Often an antibiotic is prescribed for two to three weeks for a URI, or in really bad cases where the antibiotics are tolerated well they can be prescribed for up to four weeks, you should only stop treating mid way through if the guinea pig is experiencing bad side effects as stopping and starting antibiotics if the infection isn't fully cured can cause the bad bacteria to become resistant to the antibiotic.

shweta.rawat
11-17-16, 05:50 am
How several URI can be? Bc my guinea pig is healthy like I have said his weigh is 800g which is normal weigh for adult guinea pig( he is 2.11 years old)but he is only showing symptoms like fluffy coat(when sitting in his cage) , sniffing 3-4 times a day, hard sound like same thing happens wid human when they having a cough throat.

One more thing what I have to give him while he is not eating or like u have said side effects of baytril like he will lose his appetite. I know Guinea pig owners give oxbow critical care but there delivery is not available in my country so any suggestions except critical care which can be available internationally thank you for helping 😊😇🤗

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Soecara
11-17-16, 07:37 am
The severity of the URI depends on how far it has spread and how rapidly it is spreading, worse case scenario a URI can spread into the lungs and/or brain which can rapidly result in death, the earlier a URI is noticed and treated the better particularly given guinea pigs don't get over a URI on their own so treatment is necessary. Given how you describe his symptoms and the fact that he is an adult means I would suggest you go with treating him with Baytril.

An alternative to Oxbow critical care is making a pellet slurry. For that you would need good quality pellets, your options may be limited in that department. Ideally if you could get your hands on Oxbow essentials adult guinea pig food that would be the best option. If you can't find anywhere that will ship them to your country your second best choice may be Burgess Excel adult guinea pig food, it is higher in calcium then the oxbow but it is an okay second choice if you can't get oxbow. Burgess is a UK brand so it may be easier to find somewhere that will send it to you.

There are a few different ways to go about turning the pellets into a slurry. You can grind up the pellets, for example in a coffee grinder or a pestle and mortar, then scoop out 1 spoonful of the pellet powder into a bowl and add 2 or 3 spoonfuls of water. Alternatively you can soak some pellets in water for a few hours then mash it up with a spoon, however this will be harder to get into a syringe then turning the pellets into a powder first.

shweta.rawat
11-17-16, 08:31 am
Thanks Soecara I will start his treatment then and do you know any site where I can buy baytril or I'll send u a link which i am buying for my piggy . And now on I have to bother u a lot throughout his treatment...sorry in advance😅

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Soecara
11-17-16, 08:50 am
You live in India if I am remembering correctly? I don't know of anywhere to buy it from, but you may have an easier time searching for it by the chemical name Enrofloxacin rather than the brand name Baytril. You ideally what a liquid solution of Enrofloxacin but I have heard of one person successfully treating a guinea pig using the tablet form. Make sure you know the concentration of the medication as that is very important when figuring out the correct dosage.

shweta.rawat
11-17-16, 09:03 am
Here you go: http://www.guinealynx.info/dose_calculator.html
Yeah u r correct ... And bpatters send me this link the dosage calculator. I'll give him in tablet form if that owner piggy successfully treated in tablet form.
can you tell me about that person so I can ask more about that owner piggy treatment?

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Soecara
11-17-16, 09:15 am
Here is the thread I was recalling where one person successfully treated their guinea pig using the tablet form of Baytril that their vet prescribed (as they are located in Canada). https://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/threads/113255-LSP-s-medical-thread?p=971809&viewfull=1#post971809

shweta.rawat
11-17-16, 10:22 am
Is there any problem if I give him in liquid form?

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Soecara
11-17-16, 06:58 pm
No the liquid form is the preferred form as it is much easier to give to the guinea pig, you just need to know the concentration.

shweta.rawat
11-17-16, 10:27 pm
I can find that enroflaxin in any drug store right?

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bpatters
11-17-16, 11:01 pm
Probably not. It's only available by prescription anywhere that I know of, though it may be different where you are. Or you might find it online.

Soecara
11-17-16, 11:46 pm
There do seem to be some places you can get it in india without a prescription, the tablets seem easier to find then the liquid. The tablets in the links below would need to be cut up into 8 pieces to get to right dosage.

https://petshopindia.com/bayer-bayrocin-tablet-50mg
https://petshopindia.com/sava-healthcare-ataxin-enrofloxacin-tablets-50mg

shweta.rawat
11-18-16, 02:28 am
Thanks you so much soecara for telling me about this .now I am gonna buy everything from this site .

Probiotic is really that important to give to piggy after that antidote ?

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shweta.rawat
11-18-16, 02:50 am
And probiotic are guinea pig droppings? Is it right

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Soecara
11-18-16, 03:24 am
Yes if you have another guinea pig who is healthy getting a fresh dropping from them is a good probiotic. You get the fresh healthy dropping and mix it with a little bit of water and syringe it to the sick one an hour before or after giving the antibiotic. For the Enrofloxacin you need to give him 1/8 of the 50mg Enrofloxacin tablet, either of those two I linked earlier will do, once every 12 hours roughly.

The best pellet available on that site is this one https://petshopindia.com/small-pets/small-pets-food-center/zupreem-natural-promise-trimonthy-food-for-rabbit-5lb-2-26-kg but as it is a rabbit pellet it doesn't have vitamin C in it. That is the only pellet on that site that I can see that has some kind of hay as the first ingredient. You should be able to get needle free syringes for giving the probiotic, and for force feeding him, from a regular pharmacy. You can also get plain vitamin C tablets from a regular pharmacy, he would need about 10-30mg of vitamin C per day but if he is still eating vegetables (such as caspsicum/bell peppers which are high in vitamin C) you shouldn't need to give him extra vitamin C.

shweta.rawat
11-18-16, 05:51 am
That's the main problem about bell pepper because he hates bell pepper . He don't even sniff it . I dont know why he hates it that much.
Can I give him enroflaxin in small amount than u suggested because I have read that owner experience , u gave me link of that Canada owner and his piggy suffers a lot at the end, he even not eating. That's y I am concerned more if he will not eat then that will be more fatal. And I don't have any guinea pig bc my sow died (I don't know how, she was not eating at night and I found her dead in morning ) that's y I am more concerned. But I have to take a risk bc he breath little fast at night and his voice is normal now but sometimes he makes that hard noise when he is eating or sniffing something and whenever he breath that time he makes that noise too. But now he is not making that sound , usually he makes it at night

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Soecara
11-18-16, 07:02 am
Yes you can give him less than 1/8 of a tablet. 1/10 of a tablet is also a good dosage it will just be much harder to cut the tablet up into 10 pieces. Not eating due to a side effect from the medicine is only fatal if you don't force feed, if you can keep their weight stable then the lack of appetite isn't a huge issue. Some guinea pigs tolerate Enrofloxacin better than others, some can take it and it has no effect on their appetite at all.

If you don't have a healthy guinea pig to get some fresh poop from you can use the probiotic acidophilus which you should be able to get from a regular pharmacy, just make sure it is non-dairy.

If he won't eat bell peppers and you do end up having to force feed him I would recommend giving him some vitamin C once a day, which you would give by crushing up however much you need and mixing it with a tiny bit of water then syringing it to him to drink right away, you don't want to leave it sitting in the water for too long as vitamin C degrades in light. Just keep in mind he only needs 10-30mg per day and most human vitamin C tablets can contain anywhere from 100-1000mg.

bpatters
11-18-16, 08:18 am
Don't cut the dosage below the recommended dose. Alll you'll do in that case is make the bacteria resistant to the antibiotic. Better to give him nothing at all than to give him too little.

As far as eating peppers goes, see https://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/threads/105287-How-to-teach-a-guinea-pig-to-eat-vegetables.

shweta.rawat
11-18-16, 08:34 am
Okay I'll try that trick bpatters.
1/8 dosage I should give is it OK bpatters

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bpatters
11-18-16, 09:18 am
You have to calculate the dose. It depends on the strength of the medicine, how much your pig weighs, and how much you want to give.

shweta.rawat
11-18-16, 01:25 pm
You have to calculate the dose. It depends on the strength of the medicine, how much your pig weighs, and how much you want to give.
https://petshopindia.com/sava-healthcare-ataxin-enrofloxacin-tablets-50mg
This one and he is 800 wigh

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shweta.rawat
11-18-16, 01:38 pm
What's a difference in uri and heart disease? It's kinda confusing bc both has a same symptoms

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bpatters
11-18-16, 04:19 pm
A URI is an upper respiratory infection, in the head, sinuses, throat, and can go down into the lungs and cause pneumonia. Generally, a URI is considered anything respiratory, even after it's gone into the lungs.

Heart disease is exactly what it sounds like -- a disease of the heart. But if the heart doesn't pump efficiently, the lungs can fill up with fluid and mimic, or even cause, a respiratory infection.

Soecara
11-18-16, 06:35 pm
For the calculations with the dosage, 1/8 of a 50mg tablet would be dosing him with 6.25mg, or at the rate of 7.81mg/kg as he is an 800g guinea pig. 1/10 of a 50mg tablet would be dosing him with 5mg, or at a rate of 6.25mg/kg. So both doses are within the acceptable range for treating a URI.

shweta.rawat
11-19-16, 01:58 am
OK then if guinea pig heart isnt pumping properly or pumping slow that means it's a heart disease but still uri treatment required in both cases am I right?



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bpatters
11-19-16, 09:39 am
No. URI treatment is required for a URI, heart treatment is required for heart disease. What makes you think your pig has heart disease?

shweta.rawat
11-19-16, 01:43 pm
No I am not talking about my piggy or btw few symptoms of heart disease and uri is same so I am just asking.
And I also have seen some stories in internet that any uri is one of the symptoms of heart disease but it's not my main concern right now because 1st I'll do the treatment of his uri if still that sneezing exist then I have to think about this heart disease

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shweta.rawat
11-19-16, 02:12 pm
One more thing :-
my piggy is not having any symptoms like crusty eyes, runny nose but he do have symptoms like fluffy coat sometime, breath a little more than normal sometime but not badly, sniffing 4-6 time a day. May be he is in early stage of a uri . I don't know plzzz u tell. I want your view too
It's better to have two view then one u know😅

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bpatters
11-19-16, 02:31 pm
I wouldn't give him an antibiotic if those are the only symptoms he has. Antibiotics can cause their own problems, and should only be given if it's pretty certain there's an infection present.

shweta.rawat
11-19-16, 03:22 pm
But how will I know infection is present. What are the certain infection symptoms because here no vet specialised with piggy treatment so I have to the job for my piggy as much as I can

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