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Mknight622
01-06-15, 04:18 pm
I have a male guinea pig, Boy Pig, who I saved from a pet store and I'm debating on having him neutered. I already had two females at the time I brought him home (only one now- rest in peace Biggum♥) and had intended on having him neutered. However, despite my best efforts to prevent pregnancy yet still allow them supervised play time together, my female Small Small ended up pregnant. I can not stress enough that I did NOT want this to happen and I really did my best to prevent it, so please do not think that I am a careless pet owner.

Long story short, Small Small had 4 babies- 3 girls and 1 boy who are 2 weeks old now and I'm rethinking having Boy Pig neutered. We have talked about keeping the baby boy, Olaf, and trying to introduce him to Boy Pig instead of risking surgery but aren't sure how that will go, as Boy Pig wasn't too kind to Olaf when we introduced them during his floor time today. Plus I'm not sure I'm ready for two 2x5 cages in my living room! Lol just kidding!

I guess my question is: how dangerous is it for them and how rough will the recovery be? The opinion of anyone with experience in this matter would be greatly appreciated! I hate that he doesn't have a cage mate and have finally found a reputable vet who has done tons of successful surgeries on guinea pigs. I have the $300 to spend on the surgery, meds, etc., along with the time to give him special care during his recovery, so those issues are not going to be factors in my decision. Thanks in advance!

guineapigcraz27
01-06-15, 05:06 pm
I would try to introduce Boy Pig and Olaf. This way you wouldn't have to find a new home for Olaf and you won't have to worry about neutering. And since you already have female companions for Small Small you don't have find her a new friend. If you do choose to introduce them make sure they are in a neutral area they haven't been to yet. When introduce guinea pigs they have to decide who will dominate which will include some bickering mounting chasing ect. as long as there is not blood shed they don't have to be separated.

ClemmyOddieIndy
01-06-15, 05:41 pm
You shouldn't be putting them together for floor time. It's stressful for guinea pigs to be put together for floor time if they don't already live together. You do an introduction once and that should be the end of it. Fighting is normal, because it's the way they establish dominance. If you have been putting the male and female together and then now putting the babies in there (at least the boy) you're throwing off their establishment of dominance and causing stress. In my opinion, surgery is a last option and you have another option and that is to properly introduction the father and son and see where it goes from there.

Please don't allow the males and females play time together, as you already know it's impossible to keep them from getting pregnant because it happens so quickly. It's never recommended to allow them to be together.

Mknight622
01-06-15, 07:02 pm
@guineapigcraz27 (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/member.php?u=31790) my thoughts exactly. The one thing that makes me hesitant though is that I already promised him to my brother and his family and my youngest niece is so excited. Ugh I was dreading this day!

@ClemmyOddieIndy (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/member.php?u=27350) I should've been more clear in my post, they are not together for floor time. When Boy Pig is out, Small Small and her babies are in their cage; when Mama and babies are out, Boy Pig is in his cage. They are neighbors separated by grids (and now by clear plastic too because we baby-proofed) but they are never, EVER together. After what happened before, I won't be taking any chances and risking another pregnancy.

What I meant when I said I introduced Boy Pig and Olaf during floor time, was that when Boy Pig was out I decided to get Olaf out to introduce them on neutral territory (aka blanket on floor). It didn't go as I thought it would. Boy Pig wasn't very kind to Olaf, he was trying to trample over him, grinding his teeth and Olaf was squealing and trying to get back to the cage to Mama, who was pacing and wheeking so I put him back in. I know there will be bickering when introducing two pigs, especially boars, but I couldn't let them go at it because Olaf is too small to defend himself against the monstrous Boy Pig. I know he is too young to leave Mama yet, but everything I've read says to separate males from their mother at 3-4 weeks and they're two and a half weeks now.

Maybe Olaf is still too young, but my thought was that I would introduce them before Olaf reached "puberty" so that there would be less bickering to establish dominance. I thought that Boy Pig wouldn't feel challenged by a baby who hadn't reached sexual maturity, therefore making the (possible) transition easier on both of them. I hoped that by the time Olaf matured, they would have already established rank and there would be less chance of any arguments. I don't know. Aside from all of the risks to the mother, this is a darn good reason why no one should intentionality breed their guinea pigs, it's hard on everyone involved.

We planned on getting him neutered when I saved him from the hell he was living in, I wish I would've done it right then instead of waiting, but I was having a hard time finding a reputable vet in my area who had done more than one successful guinea pig surgery in their career. Plus I wanted to make sure he was going to get along with my girls, which is why they were having supervised floor time together. It was neutral ground plus they could socialize. My intentions were good, but it came back to bite me and now I'm in a position I didn't want to be in.

Mknight622
01-06-15, 07:07 pm
Does anyone have any experience with having a male neutered? I know there are always risks when anyone has surgery, but can anyone tell me what their experience was like for them and their guinea pig?

ClemmyOddieIndy
01-06-15, 07:13 pm
The introduction sounds normal to me. We tend to get really worked up and anxious about behavior that is normal. As long as they're not having a drag out flying ball of screaming fur, and there is no blood you should just let it happen. There are other techniques too, like the buddy bath that you might consider using to try to introduce them. I tend to be very wary of surgery. I grew up on a horse farm and experienced dozens of castrations without problem, so I know it's an extremely safe procedure. But, after losing a horse who had her tooth pulled, I became very paranoid about unnecessary surgeries because even the most routine simple procedure can result in death with even the most experienced and well respected vet.

Mknight622
01-06-15, 07:19 pm
I'm sorry to hear about losing your horse, that's such a hard thing to go through. I agree about avoiding surgery if possible, that's why I was asking for advice :/ I'm not familiar with a buddy bath, would you mind filling me in? And you don't think that Olaf is too young to defend himself during the "establishing dominance" dance they do? He's only two and a half weeks old and Boy Pig is about 8 months old, so he's a giant compared to Olaf! He still seems so fragile to me! Lol

Mknight622
01-06-15, 07:26 pm
It just seemed like Boy Pig was going to seriously hurt Olaf when I introduced them. Olaf was clearly under stress, as was Mama. She was pacing back and forth in her cage when Olaf was crying so I figured I should put him back. I have zero experience with baby pigs, so it's a day-to-day learning experience for me. So are boars, we've always had females. I know, I probably shouldn't have brought Boy Pig home, but I couldn't leave him in the condition he was in. Such a sweet, sweet boy who cuddled up with me the first time I picked him up when he was living in the pet store. He stole my heart.

ClemmyOddieIndy
01-06-15, 07:36 pm
Have you read this link?

http://www.cavyspirit.com/sociallife.htm

This will walk you through everything you need to know. It also has information on what is normal in introductions and was is a warning sign.

I'm not saying it will for sure work out, I'm just saying it sounded normal based on what you describe.

Also, the fact that both dad and son are near mom likely will cause some stress. Can you place them in another room for intros, and place their cage in another room?

ETA: Have you considered sending both boys to live with your brother? That way the baby is not alone.

Mknight622
01-06-15, 07:41 pm
I'm not sure if I have or not, but I will read it now. The only reason I stopped the intro was because Olaf is still so tiny, I was afraid he would be injured by Boy Pig trampling over him.

Mknight622
01-06-15, 08:54 pm
I have thought about it, but my son and husband are so in love with Boy Pig, I don't think they would consider it. I hate to admit that we have our "favorites," but for lack of a better term, we do. I have been especially fond of Small Small from the day we got her and my hubby and son are especially fond of Boy Pig. I think it's because he's so big so he's easier for them to handle, and because he's always content to sit in a lap and cuddle.

Mknight622
01-06-15, 09:17 pm
So, after reading the link you shared with me, I decided to try another introduction. It's quiet here tonight since my son is in bed and my hubby is still working, so I turned off the TV, put down a clean blanket, grabbed a towel and went to work. There was a lot of "rumblestrutting" and rear end sniffing, but it went much more smoothly this time. Olaf did try and search for his nursing spot on Boy Pig, but he put an end to that right away! Boy Pig did get a bit aggressive at times, but nothing severe. He kept putting his nose under Olaf, lifting him up and then letting him fall over, but I didn't intervene since we were on my bed and he wasn't hurting him. Olaf kept running to me and trying to burrow under my legs and climb into my lap, but Boy Pig just followed closely behind. I let them "talk" for about 30-40 minutes and then put them back in their cages. All in all I think it went well and will be doing it again tomorrow while my son is in school, let's hope things go like this again! I'll post a picture, hang on, it's so cute...

Mknight622
01-06-15, 09:51 pm
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/06/eeeec4317a6c9e5687788acc5e4170b0.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/06/e85876e6423048458836f72fa1b86a7f.jpg

And my favorite:
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/06/6978ac3929a8f4826219bacc731607fb.jpg

If things go well during their transition, we'll probably be keeping him. If my hubby had his way we would keep all of them, plus adopt every guinea pig in town! Lol
We do love our piggies!

lissie
01-07-15, 12:04 am
Please don't keep introducing them then separate. They have to work through the dominance issue every time you put them together. If you do decide to keep him, just do the intro once, then move them into a clean cage (wipe everything down with vinegar to remove the scent).

AmberCalzone
01-07-15, 12:53 am
Ditto lissie.
You only need to introduce once, and then once introduced put them in the cage together. If you introduce and then separate, and then reintroduce again, etc.. it just stresses everyone, tensions are raised, and it makes it less likely that the introduction will be successful. Don't do an introduction again until Olaf is ready to leave mom (which is at 3 weeks or 21 days. Don't keep him in with her for 4 weeks, because he can impregnate her after 21 days!), do an introduction between Olaf and Boy Pig, and then leave them be with one another for good :)

ClemmyOddieIndy
01-07-15, 10:22 am
I already told you only introduce them once, you are just making it harder on them and stressing them out.

foggycreekcavy
01-07-15, 10:43 am
I don't agree with re-homing the baby boy as a single guinea pig. He needs to be with another guinea pig. If your only option is to re-home him as a single then I think you should keep him.

However, somehow one of your guinea pigs ended up pregnant. This makes me think that perhaps it could happen again, even though you don't want it to. This makes me think that it would be better to have the adult male neutered and the baby re-homed.

Alternatively, while neutering is usually an easy operation if done by an experienced exotics veterinarian, there are often complications afterwards. Namely abscessing at the neuter site.

I agree with the others. Stop trying to put the baby with his dad until you are ready to wean him permanently from his mom.

Mknight622
01-07-15, 01:26 pm
Thank you, everyone, for your honest opinions about the situation. I think the intro went well last night, but from what I read online re: introducing guinea pigs, it is ok (and sometimes necessary) to do it slowly.

@ClemmyOddieIndy (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/member.php?u=27350) it says that on the link you gave me last night, too. I guess I didn't realize that it would stress them out since they're not exactly strangers and can see/smell each other because they are only separated by grids. The main reason for this post was for input from others who have been through a neutering with their pig.

@foggycreekcavy (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/member.php?u=13918) yes, one of my females did end up pregnant, but there is absolutely NO way it could happen again. Was it my fault? Yes. But it wasn't because I was careless. Boy Pig lived next to my girls and I would let him out on the floor sometimes to "socialize" and get to know them, but only when I was able to keep a watchful eye on them. I honestly thought I could prevent a pregnancy as long as I supervised the interacting. Believe me, had I known this was going to happen they would have NEVER been together at all. Ever. As much as I love the babies, I never wanted to have any, for this reason and many other reasons!

I've said this before, I know was probably a bad idea to even bring Boy Pig home since I already had two girls, but I just wanted to save him from the way he was living. So please be kind in your suggestions, I'm only trying to research all options so I can make an educated decision that will be best for everyone involved. I don't want to come across as a careless pet owner who, selfishly, wants to do whatever will be most convenient for me, because that is not the case at all. I have made mistakes with my little loves, there is no doubt about that, but it is never intentional and I always try my best to do the right thing for them. I joined this forum because I wanted to be able to ask for help when I felt overwhelmed and needed advice from more experienced guinea pig owners, that's why I'm asking now.

As for rehoming baby Olaf as a single, it wasn't my first choice, but I know he will/would have been going to a great home, that is the only reason I was even considering it. My philosophy is: since it is because of my judgement that we even have babies, it is my responsibility to care for them. I didn't want to rehome any of them, but I was nervous about having two boars together after reading some horror stories of fighting.

Since I know Boy Pig and Small Small get along, I was naturally leaning toward my original intention of having him neutered and letting him live with Small Small and her 3 female babies. After thinking it over, I considered Olaf living with him instead and came to you for help. Sorry this response us so long, I just don't want anyone to get the wrong idea of my intentions.

AmberCalzone
01-07-15, 01:42 pm
I don't think your intentions are in the wrong place at all.

I've never heard of doing guinea pig introductions slowly though. 'Slow' as in, it will take multiple hours and you should have an entire day open to focus on the introduction, yes. But not slow as in, "introduce, let them play, separate, and repeat". Is that maybe where the confusion was?

When you introduce pigs, it should be a one time affair. It does take multiple hours of supervising though, which is why the word 'slow' may have been used. It is a slow process, but it is a process that is only done once.

You want the pigs to meet on neutral territory. You want a big enough space where the pigs can get away from one another if needed. Having vegetables on hand may help. You have to watch them in this neutral territory, if they're getting along well (anything other than ball of fur/blood is well, even if it looks scary just let it be to work it out amongst themselves!) after a few hours in the neutral territory, move them to their cage together.

You want to make sure the cage is completely de-scented of either pig. That means taking absolutely everything out of the cage so that you can scrub the coroplast. Put fresh bedding in. Anything that can be thrown in the washer needs to be washed (beds, cuddle cups, snuggle sacs, soft toys, fleece tunnels, etc). Clean the water bottles, the food bowls, the hay racks. Soak any hard toys (my girls, for example, had a little plastic cat ball that they liked to push around with their noses). Simply remove anything wooden because that's harder to wash, anything wooden can be reintroduced to the cage once the pair is living together nicely in a few days-weeks.

But once you introduce, never separate unless actual violence breaks out (to repeat: ball of rolling fur, or blood is drawn). It is a slow process, but it isn't one that is done more than once :)

ClemmyOddieIndy
01-07-15, 01:54 pm
Well, to be fair... your title is to neuter or to add a male cage mate :-). I know you are looking for neutering stories, and there are people on here who have. But, I think the vast majority of people do not because most people can find an alternative. Yes, it is a relatively safe surgery and in the hands of a competent vet it should be a quick no hassle deal with a quick recovery (with a healthy pig). I've never had a pig neutered, but I have gone through spay surgery with a pig and it's nerve wrecking (her surgery was for medical reasons). I've had many animals go through surgery (including a lot of horses and dogs castrated), but there is something about a guinea pig that just makes it scarier (in my experience). Even when they just sedated Odette and there was no surgery I was scared. Like I already said, I had a health 4 year old mare drop dead from a blood clot after having a tooth pulled (who would've expected that!?), anything can happen in the most routine situations. Since it seems like you have a viable alternative I think you are premature in discussing neutering.

Mknight622
01-07-15, 02:36 pm
Thank you both for your input ♥

@AmberCalzone (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/member.php?u=31096) I will definitely follow your suggestion on cleaning everything to remove all scents. It will actually work out great because I'm in the middle of sewing new cage liners for them and hope to have them done this weekend since my sewing machine decided to crap out on me. Maybe I did misread/misunderstand the guidelines for introducing, I'm not sure. I have been obsessing over this whole situation since I realized my Small Small was pregnant. I just feel so overwhelmed sometimes because I'm in over my head and just want to make the best decision under these less-than-ideal circumstances. But I do know that I'm going to wait until next week to put them together again, that way Olaf can nurse for the full three weeks before leaving his mama.

@ClemmyOddieIndy (http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/member.php?u=27350) you're right, my title/original post is misleading. I don't even think I knew exactly what I was asking last night. I'm still not even sure I know what I'm asking, I just know I'm in over my head and feel like I'm doing everything wrong. I was leaning toward neutering initially because that was our original intention when I brought him home, never expecting to have babies. Now that little Olaf has entered the picture it seems like a better option altogether. I feel like both decisions need to be carefully considered as both have their pros and cons, but there are more cons in neutering than moving Olaf in with Boy Pig.

Ugh I could cry, I wish I hadn't been so naive when I brought Boy Pig home and I wouldn't be in this situation. My poor piggies have gotten the short end of the stick and I just want to fix everything so they're happy and healthy. I guess I'll give it some serious thought over the next couple of days and try to make the best decision for them. I'm like 99% sure we'll be moving our boys in together though, so wish me luck! By the way, did you like the pictures I shared? I posted them for you since I took the advice in the link you shared with me last night :)

AmberCalzone
01-07-15, 02:41 pm
Having brand new, unused liners will work perfectly :) Also, I think it's a good choice to leave Olaf with mama for the full 21 days.
And, your unintentional mini-introduction looks like it went pretty well from the pictures, I think Olaf and Boy Pig will become good friends once properly introduced and given some time to settle things out with one another. The pigtures were adorable, by the way!

Mknight622
01-07-15, 02:41 pm
Just to ease my mind, could you verify that I have correctly sexed the babies? I am pretty sure I have 3 females and just 1 male in the litter, but after all the mistakes I've made recently I would feel better if I got confirmation. I am not taking anymore chances!!!

Mknight622
01-07-15, 02:43 pm
Thank you! I just love them to pieces! I just can't get enough of these piggies! ♥♥

AmberCalzone
01-07-15, 02:48 pm
If you post bits photos I'm sure we can help you sex them :)

Mknight622
01-07-15, 03:09 pm
Ok I'll post them in just a few minutes. I'm getting my son from school :)

PeanutnCookie
01-07-15, 03:31 pm
I'll definately help with the sexing and any other questions you have! Goodluck with the boys, by the way! :)

Mknight622
01-07-15, 03:43 pm
Thanks! Pictures are on their way, it takes a minute to upload because cell reception is spotty where I live ;)

Mknight622
01-07-15, 04:03 pm
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/07/4db56ab57085619bf048e491bc76cb9c.jpg
⬆Wee Pig got her name because she was the "runt" of the litter, such a wee little piggy when she was born! You wouldn't know it now though, she has plumped up and doesn't pass up an opportunity to nurse, steal lettuce or push someone out of the way to eat first! Lol

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/07/2ef22b9fd9b7985116d2a8a8bb90d90e.jpg
⬆Rudy looks like her mama, an Aby. She got her name because they were born just before Christmas and my son said she looked like Rudolph the white nosed pig pig- called Rudy for short lol. She is a little head strong and did not like me trying to take pictures of her "undercarriage" at all.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/07/8f377e3dff6d45b42be34fdb4ec76a7d.jpg
⬆Lieutenant Dan got her name from my hubby. He was so afraid that her legs didn't work when she was born, even though I assured him that they were not going to immediately start popcorning minutes after birth lol. He named her that after Forrest Gump, and she is definitely the little explorer, she doesn't like to sit still!

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/07/e167073a1f378dd60f0f5a3be3ca45fa.jpg
⬆This is little Olaf, who is also known as Dumbo as of last night. I watched that movie with my son yesterday and he decided to change his name because he felt Olaf had big ears and looked more like a Dumbo. But we'll continue to refer to him as Olaf to avoid confusion. I'm 100% sure he is a boy though because, after I took the picture, I was able to pop his "boy part" out.

Mknight622
01-07-15, 04:06 pm
Btw PeanutnCookie thanks for the good luck wishes! ♥

PeanutnCookie
01-07-15, 07:21 pm
You're welcome :D It looks like you are correct about 3 girls 1 boy.

Mknight622
01-07-15, 08:02 pm
Awesome! I thought so, but I learned the hard way you never can be too careful!

Mknight622
01-07-15, 10:48 pm
Tylerspigs this is the thread that I got all that info from, these guys have been very informative! ;)

PeanutnCookie
01-07-15, 11:51 pm
Haha yeah, happened here too.... Slightly different story though.

joys_cavies
01-08-15, 04:24 am
Mknight622 I'm so assured now because I've been resexing my baby pig and she looks just like wee pig (down there. Sorry if it's weird) and she squeals everytime but now I'm positive she's a girl. That and she hasn't tried to hump my other lol

Mknight622
01-08-15, 08:56 am
PeanutnCookie I'm glad I'm not the only one!! ;) joys_cavies I'm glad this thread has helped you out too! :)

joys_cavies
01-08-15, 03:12 pm
PeanutnCookie I'm glad I'm not the only one!! ;) joys_cavies I'm glad this thread has helped you out too! :)
Me too. I read that they had a lump and when I did a final sexing last night Cavy spirit said for girls of you start to pull out a little there's a Y shape and there was. Idk why I was re-sexing though since she's 8 weeks and hasn't tried to mount lol (although mine did try to mount her but realized she's so small she's no threat lol)

Mknight622
01-13-15, 12:38 am
So, I just thought I would let everyone know what's been going on with Boy Pig and the babies since last week, just in case anyone wanted an update ;)

Boy Pig and Olaf have been successfully introduced and are now living together! We did our "formal intro" this morning and I built them a new cage using new coroplast and the new fleece liners I made. I wouldn't say they're "happily" living together yet because Olaf is so sad, but it had to be done. He was literally trying to chew his way back into the cage with Mama earlier, but he has calmed down now. He has been hiding in the fleece forest all evening. The girls also got a new cage and new fleece and they seem really happy too! Both cages are smaller than I planned because *someone* measured and sewed the liners to be the wrong dimensions... It was a bad idea to be working on them at like 11 pm lol. But anyway, the boys are in a 4x1.5 plus a 2x1 kitchen, all on one level- it's an "L" shaped cage; the girls are in a 4.5x2 plus a 2x2 kitchen, also all one floor and in the shape of an "L." I guess you could say the cages are shaped more like a "C" since they are neighbors. If I wasn't so sick of looking at my beloved sewing machine, I would have made new liners that were the correct size, but that's gonna have to wait a week or two. I think these cages are big enough for now, but when I fix my mistake and rebuild the correct size cages the girls will be in a 2x6 with an additional 2x2 kitchen/extra space area that may be a loft or may be connected to the side; the boys will be in a 4x2 (or a 5x2 if needed) with an additional 2x2 area that may or may not be a loft. I'm not sure exactly how I want to do it yet, but I will be working on it during the day this time, that's all I know! Haha!
All in all, everyone is doing well, I'll post some pictures tomorrow! :)

joys_cavies
01-13-15, 12:46 am
So, I just thought I would let everyone know what's been going on with Boy Pig and the babies since last week, just in case anyone wanted an update ;)

Boy Pig and Olaf have been successfully introduced and are now living together! We did our "formal intro" this morning and I built them a new cage using new coroplast and the new fleece liners I made. I wouldn't say they're "happily" living together yet because Olaf is so sad, but it had to be done. He was literally trying to chew his way back into the cage with Mama earlier, but he has calmed down now. He has been hiding in the fleece forest all evening. The girls also got a new cage and new fleece and they seem really happy too! Both cages are smaller than I planned because *someone* measured and sewed the liners to be the wrong dimensions... It was a bad idea to be working on them at like 11 pm lol. But anyway, the boys are in a 4x1.5 plus a 2x1 kitchen, all on one level- it's an "L" shaped cage; the girls are in a 4.5x2 plus a 2x2 kitchen, also all one floor and in the shape of an "L." I guess you could say the cages are shaped more like a "C" since they are neighbors. If I wasn't so sick of looking at my beloved sewing machine, I would have made new liners that were the correct size, but that's gonna have to wait a week or two. I think these cages are big enough for now, but when I fix my mistake and rebuild the correct size cages the girls will be in a 2x6 with an additional 2x2 kitchen/extra space area that may be a loft or may be connected to the side; the boys will be in a 4x2 (or a 5x2 if needed) with an additional 2x2 area that may or may not be a loft. I'm not sure exactly how I want to do it yet, but I will be working on it during the day this time, that's all I know! Haha!
All in all, everyone is doing well, I'll post some pictures tomorrow! :)
Glad to hear it! My girls all get a long now as well (Emmy finally learned that Mocha is to small to be a threat lol)

AmberCalzone
01-13-15, 12:50 am
Glad to hear Boy Pig and Olaf are getting along :)

I would LOVE to see your cage pictures!

joys_cavies
01-13-15, 12:52 am
Glad to hear Boy Pig and Olaf are getting along :)

I would LOVE to see your cage pictures!
I second that

Mknight622
01-13-15, 01:01 am
Will do! I would do it tonight but it's almost 2am here and I'm too tired to get up and do it lol. I have one of Boy Pig in his hammock I posted in the "pigtures" thread, it's cute, he loves it! Both cages have fleece forests, fleece hammocks, fleece tunnels, fleece everything! It took forever to make all that stuff, but the pigs love it so it was worth all the time I put into it! I will say though, I'm waiting for Joann's to put their fleece on sale next time, I spent close to $100 on all the materials! Plus I had to buy a new sewing machine half way through making everything! Hubby's gonna have to get a second job to fund my guinea pig accessory obsession! Haha!

Mknight622
01-13-15, 01:25 am
Ok, here's a few, PLEASE don't mind the poo, I swept earlier I swear! Lol

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/0b0657cd12c13dbdffcd70b234d795b3.jpg
One area of the girls' cage by their hammock and cuddle bed thing I made for them

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/a5e136d04529763f2fba45b3a9b168fc.jpg
Another area of the girls' cage, their cuddle tunnel and fleece forest

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The boys cuddle tunnel and hammock

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The pic from earlier when Boy Pig was lounging

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Another part of the boys' cage, their forest

It's a work in progress, especially the forests, they were just thrown together at the last minute today. And I don't know why there are a few white pee spots in their cages, maybe they just went or something, I don't know.

Mknight622
01-13-15, 01:30 am
Oh, and the cardboard in the divider was temporary. I shoved it down there while I was assembling the other random things to keep boy pig from sneaking back in with Mom. There is clear plexiglass in there now. And their kitchen areas are off to the sides, nothing special, just water bottles, food, hay and a few mini "pee pad" things to help keep the big liners a little more fresh since I can swap them out easier lol

joys_cavies
01-13-15, 01:31 am
Ok, here's a few, PLEASE don't mind the poo, I swept earlier I swear! Lol

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One area of the girls' cage by their hammock and cuddle bed thing I made for them

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Another area of the girls' cage, their cuddle tunnel and fleece forest

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The boys cuddle tunnel and hammock

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/80dccef62259f6e5da1581db0ebe7f3e.jpg
The pic from earlier when Boy Pig was lounging

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Another part of the boys' cage, their forest

It's a work in progress, especially the forests, they were just thrown together at the last minute today. And I don't know why there are a few white pee spots in their cages, maybe they just went or something, I don't know.
Cool. My cage is kinda eh but they love it! I got new fleece items from someone on the forum and the girls love them. My dad said he's taking me Jo Anns in February to get stuff to make more fleece items and cotton or whatever you make hay bag out of. Do you need a sewing machine tho?

Mknight622
01-13-15, 01:38 am
Thanks joys_cavies ! Yes, you will need a sewing machine if you're planning on making anything elaborate, you will go crazy if you try to sew it by hand. I got a really nice sewing machine and it still took me hours to make the stuff I did. And I mean hours of sewing, not including the measuring and pinning and all that jazz. I mean, you could probably do it by hand if you wanted to, but there is no way I was even gonna try that, I would have lost interest long before it got done lol. Plus I don't know how well it will hold up in the wash if you hand sew?

joys_cavies
01-13-15, 01:40 am
Thanks joys_cavies ! Yes, you will need a sewing machine if you're planning on making anything elaborate, you week go crazy if you try to sew it by hand. I got a really nice sewing machine and it still took me hours to make the stuff I did. And I mean hours of sewing, not including the measuring and pinning and all that jazz. I mean, you could probably do it by hand if you wanted to, but there is no way I was even gonna try that, I would have lost interest long before it got done lol. Plus I don't know how well it will hold up in the wash if you hand sew?
I made a blanket that I hand sewed (?) in second grade and it still holds up. I'll just make the stitches really tight. Also did you get the PM I sent you?

Mknight622
01-13-15, 01:43 am
You have more patience than I do then! Lol kudos to you on that girl :)

Mknight622
01-13-15, 01:43 am
And no, but I'll check now though ;)

joys_cavies
01-13-15, 01:46 am
You have more patience than I do then! Lol kudos to you on that girl :)
Well I baby sit, I walk boxer and pit bull puppies, I'm STILL taming Emmy, I'm syringe feeding Mocha cause she's not eating and she's anorexic, I'm running an Instagram page dedicated to helping death row pets and we have actually found homes, (except for one no one wants cause he looks like a pitbull but he's not!) and due to food allergies my food takes longer to cook so I realized patience is key lol

Mknight622
01-13-15, 01:54 am
Lol, geeze girl! I have a five year old son so I know all about patience being key- but when I'm doing something I try to do it as quickly and efficiently as possible because I have a million things to do at all times! Lol ;)

joys_cavies
01-13-15, 02:01 am
Lol, geeze girl! I have a five year old son so I know all about patience being key- but when I'm doing something I try to do it as quickly and efficiently as possible because I have a million things to do at all times! Lol ;)
Lol. And on top of that I still have school work (home school) and of course my pigs but they're my school buddies so no worries there lol

Mknight622
01-19-15, 02:06 pm
Ok my friends, I have another question... Olaf and Boy Pig don't seem to be "bonding" as I had hoped they would. I wouldn't say they're fighting, even though Boy Pig does chase Olaf around the cage and makes him squeal sometimes, but he's never physically hurt him. They don't argue over food or hay or hidey places, actually they don't really argue over anything. I could be wrong, but Olaf just seems sad. When he was still with his mama and sisters, he was crazy- always running around and popcorning, but now he just stays hidden and lays around. I caught him playing one time, but as soon as Boy Pig went over to him he ran and hid. They've been together for about a week and a half now, is this normal?

joys_cavies
01-19-15, 02:13 pm
Ok my friends, I have another question... Olaf and Boy Pig don't seem to be "bonding" as I had hoped they would. I wouldn't say they're fighting, even though Boy Pig does chase Olaf around the cage and makes him squeal sometimes, but he's never physically hurt him. They don't argue over food or hay or hidey places, actually they don't really argue over anything. I could be wrong, but Olaf just seems sad. When he was still with his mama and sisters, he was crazy- always running around and popcorning, but now he just stays hidden and lays around. I caught him playing one time, but as soon as Boy Pig went over to him he ran and hid. They've been together for about a week and a half now, is this normal?
Emmy does that with Mocha. It's normal

AmberCalzone
01-19-15, 02:36 pm
They sound just fine to me. Not all pigs have the snuggle together, irrespirable from one another type of bond. What's important is that they're tolerating one another, and they have each other's company when they want it. Besides, it can take weeks before things are totally settled down after an introduction.

Mknight622
01-19-15, 03:03 pm
Ok, I just don't want Olaf to be sad all the time. I don't expect them to snuggle, the only time I've ever seen snuggling here was with Mom and babies when they were smaller lol. I feel bad that Olaf used to be so active and now he doesn't do anything anymore...

Mknight622
01-19-15, 03:12 pm
The one thing that makes me feel a little better about the boys not "playing together" is the fact that Small Small (mama) doesn't really "play" with the girls either. Now, the female babies, they're another story... They're insane! They're always running around, chasing one another, jumping around and playing with anything and everything they can get their tiny little teeth on! Maybe the babies are still too young for the "grown ups" to enjoy interacting with yet? I don't know, I just didn't like the thought that Olaf might be sad, so thanks for reassuring me that it is normal for him to act this way :)

joys_cavies
01-19-15, 03:16 pm
The one thing that makes me feel a little better about the boys not "playing together" is the fact that Small Small (mama) doesn't really "play" with the girls either. Now, the female babies, they're another story... They're insane! They're always running around, chasing one another, jumping around and playing with anything and everything they can get their tiny little teeth on! Maybe the babies are still too young for the "grown ups" to enjoy interacting with yet? I don't know, I just didn't like the thought that Olaf might be sad, so thanks for reassuring me that it is normal for him to act this way :)
Yeah maybe. Mocha pisses Emmy off cause she's "teething" and she may or may not constantly eat the bars of a cage while Emmy is sleeping [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] my pigs are weird [emoji23] [emoji13]

Mknight622
01-20-15, 02:23 pm
So, I know I asked about what was normal behavior for Olaf yesterday and you guys reassured me everything was ok, but I have another one...
OK, since they were born their weight was always within a quarter ounce of one another, including birth weight and weekly weights. They each gained roughly 2.5 oz each week (give or take about 1/8 oz) up until this most recent weighing at four weeks old. Last Monday they all weighed about 10 oz, today the girls weigh about 13.5 oz each, but Olaf has stayed the same, right around 10 oz. The girls look huge compared to Olaf, but they're still nursing. I'm wondering if I maybe should've left him in with Mom for a few extra days? Should I be worried that he didn't gain any weight this week?

Svenandolaf
01-20-15, 05:58 pm
Love your piggies name! Olaf��

AmberCalzone
01-20-15, 07:35 pm
Nope, you did the right thing by removing him at 3 weeks. Even if he were still nursing, he would have had to been separated from mom. Those few extra days that you're second guessing, could have lead to him getting mom pregnant, and more baby pigs. You absolutely did the right thing.

As long as he isn't losing weight, I personally, wouldn't be worried by it.

Mknight622
01-20-15, 07:51 pm
Ok, I'll start weighing him every day now to make sure he doesn't lose any. He just looks so scrawny and has seemed so sad lately I was worried about him... Thanks for the input!

foggycreekcavy
01-20-15, 08:06 pm
You can spend more time with him and give him more greens and veggies.

Mknight622
01-20-15, 10:53 pm
You can spend more time with him and give him more greens and veggies.
I think that's a great idea! I did spend some extra time with him today and he got some extra lettuce and even nibbled a little bit of a baby carrot :) he's such a sweet little peanut and he still likes to snuggle... unlike my girls! Lol! He must have been awful comfy on my lap today because he stretched his little legs out and laid on his side, I thought he was gonna take a nap... Until he got up and peed on me! ;)

joys_cavies
01-20-15, 10:59 pm
I think that's a great idea! I did spend some extra time with him today and he got some extra lettuce and even nibbled a little bit of a baby carrot :) he's such a sweet little peanut and he still likes to snuggle... unlike my girls! Lol! He must have been awful comfy on my lap today because he stretched his little legs out and laid on his side, I thought he was gonna take a nap... Until he got up and peed on me! ;)
I think I'll just "fall asleep here now". Olaf *thinks to himself* While human think I'm asleep I'll pee on her!

Mknight622
01-20-15, 11:07 pm
Lol it wouldn't be the first time a piggy pulled a fast one on me!
;)

joys_cavies
01-20-15, 11:17 pm
Lol it wouldn't be the first time a piggy pulled a fast one on me!
;)
When Emmy let's me hold her she isn't very vocal. She only weeks if I don't immediately come to the cage and say good morning after waking up. Anyways like I said not very vocal. So when it's time for lap time to be over she pees. A lot. Like she hasn't gone in weeks. Just all over the place. Leaks through three layers of towels. That girl has got some interesting ways if telling me lap time is over lol

Mknight622
01-20-15, 11:44 pm
Lol, this is the first time I've ever been peed on! I'm pretty good at reading their body language when they want to go home (aka their cage) and I've been lucky so far. When they have to go potty they get restless and start stretching their necks out, sniffing around so I make sure to put them back right away. Usually they go straight to their preferred corner and back their little rears up and take care of business. When they've just had enough of me they shove my hand away with their noses, or they gently bite me if I don't get that hint
;)

joys_cavies
01-20-15, 11:49 pm
Lol, this is the first time I've ever been peed on! I'm pretty good at reading their body language when they want to go home (aka their cage) and I've been lucky so far. When they have to go potty they get restless and start stretching their necks out, sniffing around so I make sure to put them back right away. Usually they go straight to their preferred corner and back their little rears up and take care of business. When they've just had enough of me they shove my hand away with their noses, or they gently bite me if I don't get that hint
;)
Haha. Bailey starts wheeking and Mocha just goes