.. Excuse me?!

[blackarrow]

Originally Posted by Nymphae

Not all laws are good laws, I agree. But Pitbull aggressiveness was investigated and the government doesn't just take up a law to pester dogs and their owners.

Debateable!

However, this is not the point. The point is that because I dislike Pitbulls and German Shepards I'm being called a racist. And THAT isn't definately not true

It isn't the term I would choose to apply, but "prejudiced" is, and I'm not sure you would prefer that.

[Paula]

Yes, indeed, you are stereotyping an entire breed of dog. No, it's not racist, but it is prejudice.

Consider the context in which the word "racist" was used ... And the source, and ask yourself if maybe you might be overreacting a bit.

You have every right not to like any specific breed of dogs for whatever reason. But if your reason is based only on what you've heard (stereotypes) of the breed in general, then YES it's prejudice.

Technically, AH36 didn't call YOU racist. She said that disliking a specific breed of dog because of nothing other than the breed is racism. Not the right word, but the idea is right.

Beyond that, if you feel you have such a huge problem with this ONE person, I don't understand why you think it's better to handle it by posting a quote from that person in a thread and go on and on about how terrible it is when she can't be here (yet) to defend or explain herself. Couldn't you just send her a private message? Or PM a mod? Or report the post?

[Nymphae]

It's just known that different dogbreeds have different strenghts and weaknesses. The Pitbulls and German Shepard amongst others, are more prone to aggression, why is everyone making such a fuss about that? Also I clearly stated multiple times that I know not ALL dogs of those breeds are aggressive, just that there are more aggressive Pitbulls and German Shepards than other dog breeds I know about. So I'm not a racist, and I'm not prejudiced. Also, I didn't say that these dogs should be banned from other countries, or that the German Shepard should be banned from the Netherlands as well as the Pitbull has been. So at everyone who was planning to, don't start putting words in my mouth I never uttered.

The only problem that's here right now is that I've been accused of being some kind of racist and it's not true. That's the problem I introduced in this thread and that's what should be discussed.

Also, I'd like to suggest people read ALL that has been said and explained in this topic before posting, 'cause I'm getting tired of having to explain the same thing over and over again.

[blackarrow]

It's just known that different dogbreeds have different strenghts and weaknesses. The Pitbulls and German Shepard amongst others, are more prone to aggression, why is everyone making such a fuss about that?

Because you're conflating dog to dog aggression with dog to human aggression when they're not the same thing, and also because you're ignoring socialization issues. A family which pampers a dog of these breeds and does not socialize them properly is not providing a good home for them, as they need much more from their humans than that.

Also I clearly stated multiple times that I know not ALL dogs of those breeds are aggressive, just that there are more aggressive Pitbulls and German Shepards than other dog breeds I know about.

There are also very likely more aggressive dachshunds and cocker spaniels and Labradors than you know about (and many more non-aggressive German shepherds and pits than you know about. They don't tend to make the news. Remember the woman who was the first recipient of a face transplant? Her original face was removed by her Labrador. Many people hear "dog attack" and automatically think "pit" - including reporters, who have even been known to report that a dog is a "pit" when it wasn't.

I didn't say that these dogs should be banned from other countries, or that the German Shepard should be banned from the Netherlands as well as the Pitbull has been. So at everyone who was planning to, don't start putting words in my mouth I never uttered.

OK. I didn't think you were about to do that.

[Nymphae]

Blackarrow:
I know you mean well, but you're not reading my posts. This topic is not about my personal issues with both dog breeds. It's about a member calling me a racist and different members and a Moderator no less, approving of it.

And even if people are right that I'm prejudiced about these dogs, which I'm positive I'm not. So what? That is no excuse to call someone a racist.

[blackarrow]

Blackarrow:

I know you mean well, but you're not reading my posts.

I most certainly am.

This topic is not about my personal issues with both dog breeds.

I know you don't want it to be, but I don't believe you are allowed to dictate how it is people respond to what you have said.

It's about a member calling me a racist and different members and a Moderator no less, approving of it.

And even if people are right that I'm prejudiced about these dogs, which I'm positive I'm not. So what? That is no excuse to call someone a racist.

I didn't say it was, and in fact said it isn't how I would have phrased it, despite not agreeing with what it is you're saying about them.

[Nymphae]

Originally Posted by blackarrow

I most certainly am.


I know you don't want it to be, but I don't believe you are allowed to dictate how it is people respond to what you have said.


I didn't say it was, and in fact said it isn't how I would have phrased it, despite not agreeing with what it is you're saying about them.

First of all..
Oops..
I told you guys that a Moderator approved of that opinion of me being a racist, but I confused the colours and it's just a more experienced member. So yeah, there goes my credibility, straight out of the window since now there's no legid reason anymore for me to have put this discussion up here, since I could just have talked to a Moderator. Unless the statement and a number of members agreeing with it is enough for you guys to continue this. ^^;

As to my response to the quotation;
Is it right for people to start talking about .. I don't know, how Obama is doing thus far in a thread about Spirituality? It's called 'staying on topic', if people have problem with me disliking these dog breeds they could have talked to me by PM. Starting random conversations is just not done.

[blackarrow]

Originally Posted by Nymphae

As to my response to the quotation;
Is it right for people to start talking about .. I don't know, how Obama is doing thus far in a thread about Spirituality? It's called 'staying on topic', if people have problem with me disliking these dog breeds they could have talked to me by PM. Starting random conversations is just not done.

This isn't a random conversation. You posted about how wrong it is that the word "racist" was used with regard to what you had said. While I don't agree with that word choice, I do understand why people have a problem with what you said which lead to that word being used. As long as you keep arguing that there is nothing wrong with what you said, you've got to expect people to continue to argue that there was something wrong with what you said.

[Nymphae]

All I did was express a personal dislike of certain dog breeds. I'm scared of them, alright? That's not up to debate, that's just how I feel about it. You can not want to be jealous of someone and yet still feel that way. You can be angry about something you'd rather not even think about anymore. In my mind this fear is justified, and even knowing there are exceptions and not all Pitbulls and German Shepards are mean doesn't help a bit.
You can argue about that all you want but that's not going to change the way I feel about them. I made this all perfectly clear when this argument started in my introduction topic, yet someone still calls me a racist. That isn't fair, it also isn't fair that people keep pushing this label on me that says; 'prejudiced', while it has nothing to do with thinking a certain breed is better.

[Paula]

Originally Posted by Nymphae

The Pitbulls and German Shepard amongst others, are more prone to aggression, why is everyone making such a fuss about that? Also I clearly stated multiple times that I know not ALL dogs of those breeds are aggressive, just that there are more aggressive Pitbulls and German Shepards than other dog breeds I know about.

It is commonly assumed, not known, that these dogs are more "prone" to aggression. And in the care of stupid or careless owners who don't or won't meet the needs of these dogs, they can become aggressive. That is the point that needs to be made - there are not bad dogs. There are bad owners. And because of the sheer size of these animals, they are capable of doing more damage than smaller ones. All the more reason to keep them out of the hands of idiot owners, not to ban all dogs of a certain breed for nothing other than the BREED.

Originally Posted by Nymphae

Also, I'd like to suggest people read ALL that has been said and explained in this topic before posting, 'cause I'm getting tired of having to explain the same thing over and over again.

You need to do the same. And you don't "have" to explain "over and over" again. You've been choosing to, but it's not necessary.

[Nymphae]

Paula.M.Moore:
I just explained (again) that this is a fear thing, I can't help disliking these dogs. Why argue about it? I agree with your post here for the biggest part, I just think it's naive to say a dog only gets mean when an owner treats it cruelly. I believe we live in a broken world, and not only people can be unreasonable, but animals too.
Like for example why my dog was attacked. He wasn't doing anything and out of the blue a German Shepard crouched down, his neck hairs went up and he charged and bit him multiple times in the side, even throwing him on the ground. No warning at all. And the owner was shocked, he said he'd never ever experienced this behaviour with his dog before and he'd always been nice to other dogs. I mean, why did a dog like that suddenly snap? It doesn't make sense.

Also, I wasn't the one who banned Pitbulls, but the Dutch government. I didn't have any say in this so don't talk to me about how that's unfair, 'cause I was only a kid back then. I couldn't even vote yet!

Anyway the point your trying to prove has been already made a number of times, prove you're not reading yourself missy, and you're not adding anything to this. Please come back when you have something new and don't get personal.

[Ly&Pigs]

This should have been discussed with a moderator. If the post offended you, you could have reported the post and we mods could have cleared it up without having to resort to this type of thread.

Instead, you make this thread making accusations towards others and even falsely accusing a moderator.

The person in question hasn't even been on the forum yet today to explain what she meant by the comment. Maybe the comment wasn't intended the way you perceived it. Maybe it was a poor choice of words. I can't answer for AnimalHouse36, only they can answer for themselves.

[Nymphae]

Originally Posted by Ly&Pigs

This should have been discussed with a moderator. If the post offended you, you could have reported the post and we mods could have cleared it up without having to resort to this type of thread.

Instead, you make this thread making accusations towards others and even falsely accusing a moderator.

The person in question hasn't even been on the forum yet today to explain what she meant by the comment. Maybe the comment wasn't intended the way you perceived it. Maybe it was a poor choice of words. I can't answer for AnimalHouse36, only they can answer for themselves.

I know, but I mistook the orange coloured name for that of a Moderator. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cause so much trouble. I already explained somewhere in the thread I made a mistake where the Moderator was concerned.
It was all because of this mistake I made the thread in the first place. If I had realised before there wasn't a Moderator approving of this I would never have placed it there.

Still, I think it's a horrible thing to accuse someone of being a racist, and I have a right to be angry about it. Especially since it's the same person who got me in trouble the first time.

[babybunny]

I think being called a racist, is indeed a horrible thing to be accused of. However, I am thinking that perhaps the word they were searching for was prejudice. As that person hasn't been around to explain themselves, it's probably best to forgive and forget, lest it cause more hurt feelings than intended.

As far as your prejudice of certain dog breeds, when you have had traumatic experiences with them, yes of course you will hold a certain grudge against them. However, you do have to look past the fear and at the facts. The fact is that *any* dog is prone to animalistic behavior. With good training and a good home, these chances are reduced. However, even with the most well intentioned owners, most dogs don't grow up in such perfect conditions. Yes, certain breeds are more suited for specific lifestyles and/or jobs. With these certain breeds, they require to have an outlet to feel fulfilled. If not properly stimulated, worked, played with, socialized, etc thier traits can backfire in harmful ways.

Anyways, just my thoughts on the matter. I hope you don't still feel offended about the matter.

[CavySpirit]

You were NOT called a racist. It was NOT a personal attack on you. If the word speciesist - which is a word - but very rare and hard to pronounce - was more prevalent, no doubt that's the word she would have (and should have) used. And that meaning is quite clear in the context of the post. There is absolutely no question about that.

And myself or a moderator could have thanked the post if they felt the same way about the overall content of the post. The point is, you have misread the meaning the sentence, saw a 'bad' word, and flew off the handle without really digesting the message of the sentence.

Speciesism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Case pretty much closed.