I'm done here

[Adorable]

The best revenge is living well and you aren’t doing that if you invest energy towards a dramatic goodbye on a message board. There is much more to life than what the internet can provide. As you said, don’t sweat the small stuff. C-YA.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by pringles70

That made me laugh. Though you probably didn't intend it that way, it was funny.

Originally Posted by guineapigluver1

I know it probably wasn't intended to be funny either, but that made me laugh.

Actually, it was supposed to be humorous (although I'm sure KV won't think so). It's okay to laugh. Laughing is good for you.

[Ly&Pigs]

*Rolls eyes and moves on.*

[shamrockmommy]

This is a much stricter forum than I have experienced before, and I have butted a few heads here and there as I go on my way and learn, but it's invaluable and I really do feel 'safe' here and have learned so much.

[auburnmare5]

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

If you want to post like a unicorn possessed by an R rated crayon box there are plenty of teen sites that welcome that.

That post right there totally made my day! Hahahahaha!!! Maybe even top ten favorite posts ever for me too!!!

shamrock- I agree with you. You learn that arguing is not the solution, and that you are not going to like everything about everyone on this site. But, you know what? You learn to deal with it, and if you really have to, and if you can, stray away from that person, but don't continuously bring up the issue again. It not only bigs me when someone does that, but I am sure it bothers others as well.
No one said you had to be like bes friends and be like family, but don't swear or be rude. It brings down the quality of the information and the actual site itself.
If you really have an issue, bring it up with a mod or something.
But as I said, I really do agree with you shamrockmommy

[Ly&Pigs]

It's stricter than many forums but this is an adult based forum. Our rules aren't that hard to follow and are pretty simple. Most of it's common sense stuff.

It's really hard to read posts that start in one color and end up in another color.

I received a pm the other day from a member (not this member) about an impaction notice telling me that our capitalization rule is a "just a silly rule" and that they wanted their account deleted.

I mean c'mon, what is so darned hard about hitting a shift key? Nothing. It's pure laziness that prevents people from using it. That and too many forums and chat rooms where they can post however they like. They get used to being lazy typers in this age of electronics and computers. It doesn't take that long to make sure your posts are written properly and your words spelled correctly.

[CavySpirit]

As you can all see, I've updated the Quick Reply box at the bottom of every thread to put in a short summary of the posting rules that seem to cause the most trouble. It's now in your face EVERY time you post. Hopefully, this will help prevent some misunderstandings and hurt feelings up front. Hopefully!

[tehdoc809]

I think its funny that people don't even take the time to read the rules then get upset when the break them. Pure ignorance! They searched out this forum to, hopefully, get help and advice for cavies but just assume anything goes. Then get upset because they get in trouble and think that the rules are stupid.

::NEWSFLASH::

You asked to be here when you registered, you should take the time before/during/after the registration process to read the rules because you are ASKING to be a part of this community. Also, just because there are some rules you don't like doesn't mean you can't be a contributing member here. Heres a good example, I would really like to be able to swear in my posts. I have quiet the articulate mouth in person and I'm not afraid to say offensive things. But here I censor myself because I know I can learn how to take better care of my cavies which is important to me.

[Deb's4Pigs]

I went on this site to learn the best way to take care of my pigs. If someone is to childish to follow the rules they don't belong here. Especially if they don't want to take care of their pigs the best they can. That's all I care about the pigs. I know everyone thinks I'm wierd.

[madakri]

Originally Posted by tehdoc809

I think its funny that people don't even take the time to read the rules then get upset when the break them. Pure ignorance! They searched out this forum to, hopefully, get help and advice for cavies but just assume anything goes. Then get upset because they get in trouble and think that the rules are stupid.

::NEWSFLASH::

You asked to be here when you registered, you should take the time before/during/after the registration process to read the rules because you are ASKING to be a part of this community. Also, just because there are some rules you don't like doesn't mean you can't be a contributing member here. Heres a good example, I would really like to be able to swear in my posts. I have quiet the articulate mouth in person and I'm not afraid to say offensive things. But here I censor myself because I know I can learn how to take better care of my cavies which is important to me.

This is true. I don't claim to be Ms. perfect, I'm actually very far from it. I also swear, specially in the line of work I do, it comes with the territory, however it is not appropriate on this forum where we have many young viewers/members.

My little boy was sitting next to me this morning while I was going through the threads and it was very upsetting to see the language this individual used without having any consideration nor respect for the wide audience that visit's this site.
Actually, I was quite amazed that this type of language was able to get through on the post.

[Cavies!]

You know, if you don't like this site you don't have to write something insulting the mods, and it's not like your being forced to use this site. So if you don't like it just leave! It is a very informative site, so their should be rules! And you don't have to draw attention to yourself like this.

[pennykit&amanda]

I will admit, when I first joined I didn't read the rules. But you know what? I used proper capitalization, punctuation, and I read over EVERY post before I hit submit to make sure it made since and the post was as clear as possible anyway... I did, however post my age a long time ago, then read the rules to avoid getting a wheek or impaction. Obviously not that hard to read the rules, especially when I naturally went along with them.

[MomtoO&O]

Ok, I'm a new GP owner and very new this forum.

The first thing I did before posting was read the rules. I like the rules, a lot. I have been on other message boards (mostly boards for moms of babies) and people on other boards tend to have these elaborate flashing signatures with colors and curly fonts...ugh. I'm all for people expressing themselves how they want, but I never knew if they were posting an advertisment or if there was actual, valuable information in their post.

Secondly, I adopted my piggies from a local sheltar, but I brought them home in a pet store cage that was maybe 3 sq. ft. If not for this forum, I would have never known to get a large C&C Cage, buy Oxbow or any of the other valuable info on this site.

So, to the moderators, I'm so thankful for your rules and the way you lead this forum. Thank you for making this site available to us. My piggies are much happier because of it and I don't have a headache from trying to decipher chat speak in neon pink!

[Nymphae]

Originally Posted by guineapigluver1

I don't really understand why some people say they were "attacked" or "chewed up and spit out." No one who has ever said it really has been "attacked" or "chewed up and spit out."
We simply tell them in a nice way why we do not in any way condone breeders or petstores.
Has anyone who is okay with breeders and petstores ever been to a shelter? Not a rescue, a shelter?
It's terrible. Do you know how many animals die in shelters because nobody wanted them?

It truly breaks my heart when people are nasty to the mod's. They work really hard and take a lot of crap. The rules state that you are only allowed to use color for emphasis. This is one of the only forums I am on that I can read without having to worry about having to read something that is in lime green color. Or having to translate from a bunch of chat speak, not properly capitalized or punctuated.
Do you know how sad that is?

Well, I did say that? So does that make my name 'No One', I don't think so. All I know is this, the way people talked to me in the beginning was far from nice and I was treated like a small child.

I think the mods are doing a good job, or at least the best they can. No criticism for me. I just think people nowadays can be far too harsh to one another.

[Dobelady]

Originally Posted by Nymphae

Well, I did say that? So does that make my name 'No One', I don't think so. All I know is this, the way people talked to me in the beginning was far from nice and I was treated like a small child.

I think the mods are doing a good job, or at least the best they can. No criticism for me. I just think people nowadays can be far too harsh to one another.

I think what a lot of people need to keep in mind is that we are all typing. Sometimes it's hard to convey inflection and tone with typed words.

Someone might innocently ask "Why did you buy a GP?" and not mean to be harsh, but the person who stated that they bought one might take it that way.

[auburnmare5]

The saying don't judge a book by its cover really comes into play here. If you have only been here for two days, how can you have such strong opinions of everyone already? That doesn't seem very fair. You don't even know anyone here, you think you do. I don't even know that many people here and I have been here way longer than you have.
Maybe you have not learned this lesson yet, but hopefully you will eventually.

[blackarrow]

Originally Posted by Nymphae

Well, I did say that? So does that make my name 'No One', I don't think so. All I know is this, the way people talked to me in the beginning was far from nice and I was treated like a small child.

When you came back on board I went back to see what bad beginning you were talking about. I fail to see how you were treated badly by the people who disagreed with you, and in fact, it sure seems to me that you were acting like a small child when you responded that people should get off your back and when you called everyone here "idiots." I'm just beginning here, and certainly no one has treated me poorly or talked to me as if I'm a small child. I don't think it's a coincidence. For what it's worth I can see that you are trying a lot harder this time to keep your cool, which is admirable.

You may have missed it that the person who you were quoting wasn't paraphrasing you but another poster.

[WICavy]

Originally Posted by guineapigluver1

I don't really understand why some people say they were "attacked" or "chewed up and spit out." No one who has ever said it really has been "attacked" or "chewed up and spit out."
We simply tell them in a nice way why we do not in any way condone breeders or petstores.
Has anyone who is okay with breeders and petstores ever been to a shelter? Not a rescue, a shelter?
It's terrible. Do you know how many animals die in shelters because nobody wanted them?

It truly breaks my heart when people are nasty to the mod's. They work really hard and take a lot of crap. The rules state that you are only allowed to use color for emphasis. This is one of the only forums I am on that I can read without having to worry about having to read something that is in lime green color. Or having to translate from a bunch of chat speak, not properly capitalized or punctuated.
Do you know how sad that is?

Whether or not you understand it, does not change the fact that is the way they feel. We as human beings have feelings, and even if their feelings seem are accurate or not to us, they should be able to say, "Hey, I think what you said was mean," or, "Thanks that was really helpful." Neither is wrong.

But, either the "new" person's case or the "seasoned" members case can be stated in a way that offends the other. I think it very easy to be misunderstood online and people are more prone to go on attack.

Originally Posted by paula.m.moore

The fact that this thread exist only tells me that there are whiners and lazy people who join but can't or won't bother to take the time to read the rules and philosophies of this forum before they do everything wrong and get corrected. And then those same lazy whiners feel compelled to post a "good-bye" rant telling everyone how horrible and mean and wrong the mods are. For heaven's sake, get over yourself.

But, you need to understand were they are coming from too. People come on the internet to find quick answers. In doing a search they happen upon this site and see a large member base. The probably make assumptions that this forum is like any other and quick join without reading the rules, because in their mind, they just want a quick answer and they don't have time to read ALL the information on the site.

I'm not saying that what the did is neccessarily right, but I don't think it's appropriate to start "laying down the law" on an introduction and/or first post. The problem is one member will say something, and that would be sufficient to get the point across without offending. But then 3, 4, 5 more people come along and say the same thing, the new member is going to justifiable feel attacked.

And why is not okay for the offending member to resort to name calling, but the long standing member can call the new people "lazy, whiners" and tell them they need to "get over yourself." How is that nice or helpful?

Originally Posted by paula.m.moore

The admin and mods have every right to want the posts to be easy to read - which includes not using excessive color, caps, bold, etc. It's THEIR site and they have rules meant to keep things factual and legible. If that makes them "mean" then I'd rather it be that way than have to sort through crap that's nearly impossible to read or understand.

I completely agree with you on this point. But I think some allowances should be made to give new members time to ajust.

Originally Posted by paula.m.moore

So, please, go on to the "other" sites where anything goes and there's no structure or attempt to keep posts clean or information factual. Enjoy.

But see that's the point. People assume that all forums are that way, because most don't have the grammar/spelling rules that are here.

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

If you want to post like a unicorn possessed by an R rated crayon box there are plenty of teen sites that welcome that.

Now how is that tactful? I don't think it's appropriate to make fun of people for any reason and if someone said something like this to you, would you find it funny?

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

Actually, it was supposed to be humorous (although I'm sure KV won't think so). It's okay to laugh. Laughing is good for you.

Why is it okay to laugh at the member who now can't reply without being moderated?

Originally Posted by Ly&Pigs

*Rolls eyes and moves on.*

Now this is getting childish.

Originally Posted by Ly&Pigs

It's stricter than many forums but this is an adult based forum. Our rules aren't that hard to follow and are pretty simple. Most of it's common sense stuff.

I agree that the rules are simple enough and common sense. But, even though this is an "adult based forum" you have people of all ages visiting it. And I think when the long-standing members and mods start making fun of caged/banned members it sets a bad example and starts to become more "highschool based" then "adult based".

Originally Posted by Ly&Pigs

It's really hard to read posts that start in one color and end up in another color.

I received a pm the other day from a member (not this member) about an impaction notice telling me that our capitalization rule is a "just a silly rule" and that they wanted their account deleted.

I mean c'mon, what is so darned hard about hitting a shift key? Nothing. It's pure laziness that prevents people from using it. That and too many forums and chat rooms where they can post however they like. They get used to being lazy typers in this age of electronics and computers. It doesn't take that long to make sure your posts are written properly and your words spelled correctly.

I agree! With technology the way it is, it does not encourage proper writing/grammar. I'm glad this site has these rules and I do appreciate the mods for enforcing the rules.

Maybe a good balance for this is if the members allowed the mods to remind people of the writing rules. That way, the new member wouldn't feel so attacked when corrected by one person, instead of multiple people.

Originally Posted by tehdoc809

I think its funny that people don't even take the time to read the rules then get upset when the break them. Pure ignorance! They searched out this forum to, hopefully, get help and advice for cavies but just assume anything goes. Then get upset because they get in trouble and think that the rules are stupid.

::NEWSFLASH::

You asked to be here when you registered, you should take the time before/during/after the registration process to read the rules because you are ASKING to be a part of this community. Also, just because there are some rules you don't like doesn't mean you can't be a contributing member here. Heres a good example, I would really like to be able to swear in my posts. I have quiet the articulate mouth in person and I'm not afraid to say offensive things. But here I censor myself because I know I can learn how to take better care of my cavies which is important to me.

This is just my point. There has got to be a better way to help new members understand the rules, but like I said before some allowances should be made. I think it'd be better to let the person know they are welcomed, before nitpicking about rules.

I'm really not trying to pick a fight here. I'm just saying, maybe there is a better way?

Originally Posted by Nymphae

Well, I did say that? So does that make my name 'No One', I don't think so. All I know is this, the way people talked to me in the beginning was far from nice and I was treated like a small child.

I think the mods are doing a good job, or at least the best they can. No criticism for me. I just think people nowadays can be far too harsh to one another.

Unfortunately, I've seen many people treated the same way. I lurked around here for awhile before I joined and I had a decent understanding of the rules. Which is why I don't post often. I'd rather lurk and find the information I want then risk offending or being treated rudely. While some members lash back, others avoid I guess. :)

And I agree the mods are doing a great job, I couldn't even imagine.


Of course all of this is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own. I guess the point I'm trying to make in all of this, is that there must be a better way for everyone to get along. There are faults on both sides, but it really says something when the threads that get the most posts are the ones where people are fighting. If we were honestly trying to be helpful, wouldn't it be better to help than argue?

[Paula]

Originally Posted by WICavy

But I think some allowances should be made to give new members time to ajust.

Why can't you just expect people to read the rules and abide by them? Then there'd be no reason to "make allowances" while people "adjust."

Originally Posted by WICavy

Now how is that tactful? I don't think it's appropriate to make fun of people for any reason and if someone said something like this to you, would you find it funny?

I actually would find it funny. Something so appropriately worded in summation of and reply to what the original poster was complaining about is, in my opinion, tactful, and perfectly fair. Remember, this was a reply to a person that posted a plethora of obscenities in a farewell post, and complained about not being allowed to post entire posts in color.

Originally Posted by WICavy

Why is it okay to laugh at the member who now can't reply without being moderated?

Because this is a member that opted to say "goodbye" by calling names and using innapropriate language.

Originally Posted by WICavy

Now this is getting childish.

No, I actually think it got childish with the first post.

Originally Posted by WICavy

Unfortunately, I've seen many people treated the same way. I lurked around here for awhile before I joined and I had a decent understanding of the rules. Which is why I don't post often. I'd rather lurk and find the information I want then risk offending or being treated rudely. While some members lash back, others avoid I guess.

Do you have some examples of that?

I will say that I had a "bad experience" back in the beginning of my membership here. Did I post a flouncing thread condemning all members and mods here? Negative. I took a break, and moved on. At a later time, when I wanted a fresh look at the forum, I came back. And I'm quite glad I did. This is an internet forum, and as great as it is, it is only an internet forum. As Adorable said, there's MUCH more to life than what online personalities might think or say of you here. And furthermore, you don't have to log in to get the awesome information that's available.

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by paula.m.moore

Why can't you just expect people to read the rules and abide by them? Then there'd be no reason to "make allowances" while people "adjust."

I think that would be a fair expectation in a perfect world, but every person is different (as is every forum) and that unfortunately means it may not be fair to hold new members to the same standards as more seasoned members.

I think a fair idea would be for one person to make a correction or comment without having more members come along to make the same statement in their own words. In reality everyone just wants to put in their two cents, but the new member may not realize that & might feel attacked.

Honestly, this is a problem that every forum has, regardless of its topic. Each forum has its own climate determined by the members and their relationships with each other. Gently correcting new members when mistakes are made (as opposed to bombarding them with a discussion on their mistake & why it was inappropriate) may make them more productive members over time. :)