Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs

[Percy's Mom]

Originally Posted by Livie

You go look through ALL your posts and find it, I'm not going to waste my time to prove a point. Say what you want but I'm not, if you don't believe me - go search all her posts.

If you're not willing to prove your own point, why try to make it? That's ridiculous. If you want someone to believe you in any debate, be able to back yourself up, or don't say anything. Regardless of if she ever said that she wanted a litter, whether it was when she was 12, 16, or last week, she has learned what breeding does, how it effects the overall animal overpopulation, and the many MANY reasons why it's a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Livie

My point here is - you shouldn't say something like "That's horrific to keep a pig in that" when you might not know that the pigs are out of the cage most of the day getting attention from their owners!

Why shouldn't they say something like that? Should the guinea pigs not be allowed to be happy and have room to play when their owners aren't around to watch over them outside of their cage? After seeing the change in my own pigs' behavior since I put them in a much larger cage, I would without a doubt say that housing a guinea pig in most pet store sized caged is horrific. And shelling out the money necessary to buy a pet store cage that isn't too small is an economical travesty when you look at how inexpensive C&C cages are to build. If you need to travel with your pig, have a sick pig or after surgery that needs limited movement, or temporarily have to quarantine a new pig, then yes, a pet store cage can be useful, but for full time/all the time housing, horrific is a good word for it.

[zambonigirl]

Originally Posted by Livie

Is that what your trying to do. Make everyone follow your rules and if they talk back or disagree - they are banned?

You're disagreeing with us at every turn, and yet you aren't banned.

Logic! What are they teaching children in school these days? [/Professor Diggory Kirk]

[Livie]

Originally Posted by daftscotslass

I'm not asking you to justify yourself, it's great that you keep your pigs in lovely C&C accommodation but bear in mind that just because people have a small cage, doesn't mean they let their pigs out for extended floor time/free ranging time because they have less housing space. In fact, you will probably find that C&C cages and floor time go more hand in hand than it would with a pet store cage.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to tell me my ID on GPW and give me the link to the post where I said I wanted a litter. Come on. I'm waiting.

I know you will probably say that I am making this up because I can't show you the proof that you said that however that is not true. You can go look it up. Other people can go look it up. I'm not because I'm not going to waste my time looking through all your posts for once piece of proof that you said that. I really can't be bothered.

And yes I know your ID, I can't quite remember completely since you haven't posted in a good while.. but it's Cavy.. something I think maybe CavyCare?

[Sabriel]

I'm sorry but you're never gonna find a good rescuer that's going to say "Ok sweetie, you just keep on breeding and showing if it makes you happy."

Why? Because all the pigs they rescue and send time, money and emotions on come from breeders. There is no "neglected guinea pig fairy" that just drops them in rescuers' laps. Someone bred them, didn't want them, then dumped them like yesterdays trash.

I don't see how comprehending this could be problematic. It's seems quite straight forward to me.

[Livie]

Originally Posted by Percy's Mom

If you're not willing to prove your own point, why try to make it? That's ridiculous. If you want someone to believe you in any debate, be able to back yourself up, or don't say anything. Regardless of if she ever said that she wanted a litter, whether it was when she was 12, 16, or last week, she has learned what breeding does, how it effects the overall animal overpopulation, and the many MANY reasons why it's a bad idea.
Why shouldn't they say something like that? Should the guinea pigs not be allowed to be happy and have room to play when their owners aren't around to watch over them outside of their cage? After seeing the change in my own pigs' behavior since I put them in a much larger cage, I would without a doubt say that housing a guinea pig in most pet store sized caged is horrific. And shelling out the money necessary to buy a pet store cage that isn't too small is an economical travesty when you look at how inexpensive C&C cages are to build. If you need to travel with your pig, have a sick pig or after surgery that needs limited movement, or temporarily have to quarantine a new pig, then yes, a pet store cage can be useful, but for full time/all the time housing, horrific is a good word for it.

I was expecting that answer. The reason I'm not "proving" it because I'm not going to waste my time. If you really don't believe me, go ahead.. look it up yourself and you'll see.

All I have been trying to say about the cage issue is you shouldn't judge people's cages before you know more about everything. Also it is very hurtful..

[daftscotslass]

Actually the last time I posted was about 2 hours ago before the site went down. I now have just short of 1000 posts on that forum and post several times a day.

You are completely wrong about my ID on there. Point proved - you've completely made this up or are confusing me with someone else.

[Livie]

Originally Posted by daftscotslass

Actually the last time I posted was about 2 hours ago before the site went down. I now have just short of 1000 posts on that forum and post several times a day.

You are completely wrong about my ID on there. Point proved - you've completely made this up or are confusing me with someone else.

Then what IS your ID? :eye-poppi

[Percy's Mom]

Originally Posted by Livie

All I have been trying to say about the cage issue is you shouldn't judge people's cages before you know more about everything. Also it is very hurtful..

There's really nothing more to know. If a person wants to have an animal join their family, they should treat it in the best possible way, which does NOT include housing them in most pet store sized cages. Now, if they are able to free range their pigs all the time, and leave a pet store cage open on the floor to use as a litter box and a place to hang a water bottle, that might be acceptible. And if someone is hurt by being told that their cage is not really acceptable, then he or she needs to think more about their animals and less about themselves. We've here to help animals, not to make owners feel good about less than optimal decisions.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by Livie

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/000_3250.jpg

http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...hutches-2.html

Read those. The member who had the "bad" hutches (which really weren't bad.. just too small according to people on here) has converted her cages to C&C cages. Is this to your satisfaction? Will you let her post again?

So the member wo had it out with us about how wonderful her hutches were has converted? I think that's wonderful! However, it doesn't say much in the end for her argument about how great her cages were does it? In the end she decided she could do better and did.

The 2x2 cage in the first link is still too small though.

Originally Posted by Livie

Is that what your trying to do. Make everyone follow your rules and if they talk back or disagree - they are banned?

That is quite enough of that nonsense. How in the world do you people make this crap up? You come here, start fights, start swearing and breaking rules and then whine that we banned you because you are breeders.

PROVE to me that someone was EVER banned from this forum for stating their opinion, even for arguing their point.

NEVER, that is your answer. I do not consider trolls like Pakistani to count by the way.

This is the last time I will say this. The banned members started swearing and breaking so many rules and refused to behave despite many warnings.

Emmsy started out fine, I even warned her what NOT to do. Her posts started degenerating into pointless, inflametory garbage and she got caged. She can still post but we need to moderate her posts until she can prove she has something useful to add.

If you notice you have not been banned and you have been stating your opinions back and forth. You aren't even close to getting banned because you are obeying the forum rules. Now, if only the other people that come here to debate with us could act as mature as you. Unfortunately an intelligent, mature breeder is a rare, rare thing. We know as we debate with them all the time.

[Livie]

Originally Posted by daftscotslass

Actually the last time I posted was about 2 hours ago before the site went down. I now have just short of 1000 posts on that forum and post several times a day.

You are completely wrong about my ID on there. Point proved - you've completely made this up or are confusing me with someone else.

I am not confused with someone else, I remember the post about your piggies and one of the piggies called Bonnie who likes to curl up in bed with you at night and I just checked your gallery and there she is. I just can't remember your ID name.

[clover-crystal]

Isn't your ID CavyCrazy, Daft, or the other way round?

[daftscotslass]

Originally Posted by clover-crystal

Isn't your ID CavyCrazy, Daft, or the other way round?

CrazyCavy, yep.

[Livie]

Originally Posted by daftscotslass

CrazyCavy, yep.

Yup, that's the one I was talking about.

[daftscotslass]

Originally Posted by Livie

Yup, that's the one I was talking about.

Show me the link, please. If you're going to make things up I would at least like you to prove you're wrong.

Edited to add: What makes it all the more unbelieveable is that you can remember one post from one member out of thousands of posts from thousands of members. Very convenient.

[Livie]

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

So the member wo had it out with us about how wonderful her hutches were has converted? I think that's wonderful! However, it doesn't say much in the end for her argument about how great her cages were does it? In the end she decided she could do better and did.

The 2x2 cage in the first link is still too small though.

This person who is still a member, can't post anything - that's just pointless, you might aswell be banned! She is currently watching this thread and says she only converted because she moved house and decided to keep the pigs inside, she did not convert because of what you all said.[SIZE=2]
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[CavySpirit]

Originally Posted by Livie

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/000_3250.jpg

http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...hutches-2.html

Read those. The member who had the "bad" hutches (which really weren't bad.. just too small according to people on here) has converted her cages to C&C cages. Is this to your satisfaction? Will you let her post again?

Is that what your trying to do. Make everyone follow your rules and if they talk back or disagree - they are banned?

My, my we certainly do put forth selective effort and energy in which points we choose to back up for our statements.

We NEVER ban anyone for what they use for their cages. We only ban people for breaking the forum rules which are very clearly stated in multiple places on this forum. If you decide to start cussing us out, posting illegibly (no caps, poor punctuation etc), creating alter-ego accounts to argue with yourself, etc. you would also find yourself banned. Feel free to read the rules in the community section of our site. Contrary to popular breeder opinion, especially today it seems, we do NOT ban people for opposing views. However, we expect our MEMBERS--who have voluntarily registered to a participate on this forum--to respect our community. Otherwise, you will be shown the door. All of the rules of the forum are centered on that concept.

[clover-crystal]

I thought it was; I recognised your style of typing from here and guessed it was you.

[VoodooJoint]

Oh yeah! GuinePigQueen/GPPerson is back! I see she's online. I wonder if she'll start swearing again?

[Livie]

Originally Posted by CavySpirit

My, my we certainly do put forth selective effort and energy in which points we choose to back up for our statements.

We NEVER ban anyone for what they use for their cages. We only ban people for breaking the forum rules which are very clearly stated in multiple places on this forum. If you decide to start cussing us out, posting illegibly (no caps, poor punctuation etc), creating alter-ego accounts to argue with yourself, etc. you would also find yourself banned. Feel free to read the rules in the community section of our site. Contrary to popular breeder opinion, especially today it seems, we do NOT ban people for opposing views. However, we expect our MEMBERS--who have voluntarily registered to a participate on this forum--to respect our community. Otherwise, you will be shown the door. All of the rules of the forum are centered on that concept.

Ok. So you only ban members for breaking the rules. Me and a couple other people just find it strange how most of the GPW members have been banned.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by Livie

This person who is still a member, can't post anything - that's just pointless, you might aswell be banned! She is currently watching this thread and says she only converted because she moved house and decided to keep the pigs inside, she did not convert because of what you all said

She can post, just not in the kitchen because she swears like a sailor when she gets riled up.

Of course she will say that. Breeders are never wrong in their own minds.