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**blackarrow** · #41 03-09-09, 06:41 am

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Originally Posted by paula.m.moore

Under natural conditions, a female chicken will lay her eggs and then sit on them to keep them warm so they can hatch into little chickens, I think it's called "going broody" or something like that. But many chickens used for egg production have had that instinct kind of bred out of them, to cause them to keep laying eggs instead of following the natural instinct to incubate and keep them warm so they can hatch.

But you know what? NO bird that normally lays a clutch of eggs sits on their egg right after they lay it. They lay what the bird considers a full clutch and then start sitting - otherwise the chicks would hatch on different days. The taking of the egg is enough to make the bird lay another one rather than start to brood. That's still a natural instinct.

**Paula** · #42 03-09-09, 09:22 am

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Originally Posted by blackarrow

But you know what? NO bird that normally lays a clutch of eggs sits on their egg right after they lay it. They lay what the bird considers a full clutch and then start sitting - otherwise the chicks would hatch on different days. The taking of the egg is enough to make the bird lay another one rather than start to brood. That's still a natural instinct.

Yes, that's true, I know. THAT doesn't change the fact that chickens used for egg production today have had that instinct to "go broody" bred out of them so that they will keep laying and laying and laying and never brood.

**blackarrow** · #43 03-09-09, 02:52 pm

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Originally Posted by paula.m.moore

Yes, that's true, I know. THAT doesn't change the fact that chickens used for egg production today have had that instinct to "go broody" bred out of them so that they will keep laying and laying and laying and never brood.

You haven't established that as a fact, because whether or not they feel "broody," they won't sit without a clutch of eggs on which to sit, which they don't have.

**Paula** · #44 03-09-09, 03:45 pm

What exactly are you expecting I will establish "as a fact?" That many breeds of egg producing hens have had the instinct to "go broody" bred out of them? That is a fairly well known fact - Google it if you want more information.

The point you're making is valid, but that hens won't brood until they have a full clutch doesn't make any difference whatsoever if they don't have the instinct to brood in the first place.

**sophistacavy** · #45 03-09-09, 06:32 pm

Whoa. This thread is going way off topic. Geeze.

Also, on the subject of the original post, I would like to re-announce that I have taken back everything I said a loooooooong long time ago, and I have no idea why this thread has been dug up from its grave. As people probably remember, I posted a lot more carelessly back then, and obviously have since improved ten fold. Let this rest. Good gosh.

Blackarrow-- The point is that an egg is not a chicken's period, and avians do not have periods. Humans do. Mammals do, but not all bleed. Factory farming is 100% bad and cruel because the chickens are forced to pump out egg after egg after egg, whereas if they were in a more natural environment, they wouldn't do that to the extreme extent that these poor animals are forced to 24/7.

This is old news about the chickens. Its ancient. Really dusty, so it was established as a fact many many many years ago. It might not have been so publicly widespread, but they didn't have internet, TV, radio, etc back then either.

**Paula** · #46 03-09-09, 06:34 pm

The person you have to blame for digging it up in the first place is clear ... As for yanking it off topic, I am partly to blame and I apologize for engaging in the debate.

**sophistacavy** · #47 03-09-09, 09:28 pm

Oh thats ok Paula, I don't blame you. It doesn't really matter that this thread got dug up again unless the mods decide to close it.

**blackarrow** · #48 03-09-09, 09:35 pm

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Originally Posted by sophistacavy

The point is that an egg is not a chicken's period, and avians do not have periods. Humans do. Mammals do, but not all bleed. Factory farming is 100% bad and cruel because the chickens are forced to pump out egg after egg after egg, whereas if they were in a more natural environment, they wouldn't do that to the extreme extent that these poor animals are forced to 24/7.

I never said anything like an egg is a chicken's period.

You're quite right, though. If chickens were in a more natural environment, they wouldn't be forced to be more productive. (They'd just be killed.)

I'm not disagreeing with factory farming being bad. There's no need to stretch to make that point, is all.

**Paula** · #49 03-09-09, 09:49 pm

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Originally Posted by blackarrow

There's no need to stretch to make that point, is all.

Where's the "stretch," as you see it?

**blackarrow** · #50 03-09-09, 09:52 pm

The OP doesn't want this thread bounced back up any more, which is fine by me. Feel free to email me if you care to continue.

**sophistacavy** · #51 03-09-09, 10:02 pm

If we're going to talk about this, then I do not mind it being continued at all. It can still be a productive conversation.

**blackarrow** · #52 03-09-09, 10:07 pm

I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean.

By the way, I didn't drag this post up as Paula seems to think. I had absolutely no idea it was out of date until you said so - it had been brought up by someone before me after apparently having been idle for months. I wouldn't have posted on a thread so old if I had noticed it was so old. Sorry.

**Paula** · #53 03-09-09, 10:11 pm

I neither said nor thought you were the one who resurrected this thread. All you (or anyone) has to do is go back and look to find the actual member who did. Clearly, that was not you.

And since you say you don't know what sophisticavy is referring to, I will explain it. When she originally started this thread ... MONTHS ago ... she was asking about people who chose to be vegetarians that also opted to feed their carnivorous pets a vegetarian diet. What it's become is a discussion on factory farming and the cruelties and greed therein.

Strange, that you are willing to discuss it until it gets a bit sticky, but then claim to wish to discontinue the conversation for the sake of the thread's originator.

**blackarrow** · #54 03-09-09, 10:19 pm

Yes, I gathered it's become a discussion about factory farming. It was also said that it was yanked off the original topic. That's true. Since that complaint has been raised I'm happy to drop discussion of it. Besides, I don't think there's anything further which needs to be said about factory farming. Do you?

**Paula** · #55 03-09-09, 10:20 pm

No, not particularly. But I would like to get an answer to my question.

**blackarrow** · #56 03-09-09, 10:22 pm

I don't appreciate the tone of your edit, nor do I find anything "sticky" about anything.

**Paula** · #57 03-09-09, 10:24 pm

Then why is it you won't answer the question I asked?

And for the record there are a great many things I don't appreciate about your posts here either.

**blackarrow** · #58 03-09-09, 10:35 pm

I see no point in answering your question, as it's pretty clear wasn't asked with actual interest in dialogue, the point on which we disagree is relatively small, and the thread is old, as you said, which I hadn't noticed.

**Paula** · #59 03-09-09, 10:36 pm

Alrighty then. Thanks.

**auburnmare5** · #60 03-24-09, 08:47 pm

One of my friends at school who is a vegetarian, recently made a good point to some of my friends so I will share it here as well. Humans are not physically built to eat meat. We have fingers which are meant for gripping and pulling, and not tearing and shredding. We don't have long canine teeth, and out teeth are flatter and meant for grinding up out food and not tearing it. The way we eat also, is not the way other carnivores eat, but more like how herbivores eat.
I am a vegetarian myself, and I think tat you could have and should have worded this post with a lot more thought then you actually did. This is a pro vegetarian forum section and is meant to encourage people, and to help them, and not to deter them.
If you don't have anything nice or helpful to say, then don't say it as it may hurt or offend others is the simplest way it can be put in my opinion.
We are here to learn about guinea pigs and not to bash each other and insult each other.

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