Foot and mouth disease

[CF#5]

Interesting article that everyone who eats animals should read.

Wired News - AP News

As sad as it is, I think the most progressive thing that could happen is a huge outbreak in the U.S. cattle herds, because all the animals would have to be killed, and a small handful of progressive thinkers might actually start to doubt common tax-funded animal cruelty projects. And the cows would probably suffer less with a bullet to the head than with common slaughtering practices.

[Biscuit]

That would personally help me go veg as well. Occasionally being forced into something appeals to me.

[BiscoJosh]

stop trying to make me not eat my t-bones!

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by BiscoJosh

stop trying to make me not eat my t-bones!

No?

[CF#5]

That's the point. I don't really care if you no longer get to enjoy eating animal parts. What I do care about is the suffering inflicted on animals so those animal parts will be available for you to eat.

[BiscoJosh]

I just had a fantastic black angus ny strip steak, and it was delicious! I am all for the better treatment of animals in all respects, but uh, you know, the whole food chain/circle of life thing. The human species were meant to be meat eaters. However, obviously, the way we treat the cows etc..must be greatly altered.

[BiscoJosh]

hey you know what - i just noticed I was in the "vegitarians" part of the forum - i get to the newer posts by just clikcing on the 'new posts' in the /forum part of the site. I'll stay out of this part - wasn't meaning to start a fight or anything. thought I was just in a general discussion sort of area of the forum.

[CF#5]

Originally Posted by BiscoJosh

I am all for the better treatment of animals in all respects, but uh, you know, the whole food chain/circle of life thing.

That's a cop-out because humans do not have equilibrium with the environment the way animals do. Besides, humans should know better.

Originally Posted by BiscoJosh

The human species were meant to be meat eaters.

Wrong again. Humans are destined to evolve to a point where everyone respects the sanctity of life and stops being selfish long enough to be concerned for others.

[CF#5]

Originally Posted by BiscoJosh

hey you know what - i just noticed I was in the "vegitarians" part of the forum - i get to the newer posts by just clikcing on the 'new posts' in the /forum part of the site. I'll stay out of this part - wasn't meaning to start a fight or anything. thought I was just in a general discussion sort of area of the forum.

So you think if this thread had been in the kitchen instead, it would make what you said ok? I think it's time you watched Earthlings.

Earthlings

[BiscoJosh]

Originally Posted by CF#5pig

So you think if this thread had been in the kitchen instead, it would make what you said ok? I think it's time you watched Earthlings.

Earthlings

yes, nothing i said in here has been wrong or insensitive. i am a meat eater. a large majority of humans, (and *gasp* people on this site) are meat eaters. It will NEVER change. HOWEVER, the way animals are treated and slaughtered MUST change. Like I said above, I am all for the proper treatment of animals in each and every instance. Believe it or not, I am very well educated when it comes to the travesties of the meat producing industry. But, that does not mean I am going to stop eating good old fashion protein.

I will not enter this thread again because I seem to have hit a nerve, and I do apologize. Originally, my "stop trying to not eat my t-bones" was meant in pure jest. Also, I do acknowledge that you arent trying to change the way people eat, but the way the animals are treated. And with that, we are in agreement.

[Susan9608]

It will NEVER change

Wow. So defeatist. People used to say the same thing about slavery. Thankfully enough others didn't listen.

Some also used to say that women would NEVER have the right to vote, and that fact would just NEVER change, but my chromosomes just happen to be XX, and I voted in the last to presidential elections. So I guess some things CAN and DO change, at least as long as *some* people care enough to put in the time and effort to make them change.

But, that does not mean I am going to stop eating good old fashion protein.

So you're a hypocrite. You're so well educated on exactly what's going on and what "travesties" are happening to animals, but you're perfectly willing to keep on eating "good old fashion protein". Yeah, good for you. That will make the meat industry change. Way to send a message.

trying to change the way people eat, but the way the animals are treated.

Kinda one and the same, for some people, at this point.

[CF#5]

Originally Posted by BiscoJosh

It will NEVER change.

Yeah, and black people will never be emancipated and women will never be allowed to vote and gays will never be afforded the same rights as heterosexuals.

Originally Posted by BiscoJosh

I do acknowledge that you arent trying to change the way people eat, but the way the animals are treated. And with that, we are in agreement.

If you search my previous posts, you will see we are in agreement about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth again in the future.

[CF#5]

Originally Posted by BiscoJosh

But, that does not mean I am going to stop eating good old fashion protein.

Good old fashioned protein comes in the form of soybeans, wheat, beans, nuts, and countless other foods. What you're eating is not merely "protein." It's part of an animal who was once alive and had awareness of himself and experienced fear and pain and probably a slew of other emotions that humans might not even be capable of understanding for all we know. You have done a great job at objectifying animals, which is the primary justification used for the abhorrent treatment of animals that you claim to oppose. The only difference between your steak and your guinea pig is that your guinea pig is alive, but you killed the cow.

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by BiscoJosh

a large majority of humans, (and *gasp* people on this site) are meat eaters.

He's right guys, that obviously makes it the right choice.

Thread over, we have a winnah!

[CF#5]

The saddest thing about what he wrote is that he thinks Earthlings is about showing the fear, pain, suffering, and horror of animals being killed. Earthlings is about FASCISM in a very simple sense. That is not an inflammatory statement. The opening minutes of the movie compare animals rights to slavery and other historical discrimination, and the political points are a lot more relevant on an abstract level than the individual specific killings, because those are specific and cannot be changed. What can still be changed, and will inevitably be changed, is people's thinking.

"Because one species is more clever than another, does it give it the right to imprison or torture the less clever species? Does one exceptionally clever individual have a right to exploit the less clever individuals of his own species? To say that he does is to say with the Fascists that the strong have a right to abuse and exploit the weak - might is right, and the strong and ruthless shall inherit the earth." -- Richard Ryder

There are only two types of people in this world - those who are headed towards enlightenment and know it, and those who are headed towards enlightenment and don't have a freakin' clue about it.

I guess I'm feeling kind of optimistic today because I'm picking up a new pig on Friday.

[Alusdra]

Wow... great article, sad the thread got hijacked. Maybe we can get back to it? FMD is such a sad thing as it really doesn't hurt the animals too much- they survive it- but due to politics and health/trade status they need to be killed and burned. I don't really see what good comes of that. Sure the country remains free of disease- but all those animals killed? And I think people committed suicide after all their animals, well really their livelihood, was taken away. And not all of the animals were for meat, either- wool, alpacas, pets. And production will go right back up again. It wouldn't cause the average consumer more than a temporary price increase.

Just to point out, though CF#5pig you said- "And the cows would probably suffer less with a bullet to the head than with common slaughtering practices." But I'm pretty sure most slaughter houses use the captive bolt method- which basically is a bullet to the brain. Just a retractable one. Kosher slaughter houses don't as you have to bleed out to be halal (as I understand it).

[Biscuit]

Aww, and now I want to hijack it more to hear more about CFs new pig. He's so mouth-foamy about everything else all the time we don't get to hear enough about them. =P

Pretty much anytime I get really frustrated, pigness is at least a temporary cure. This morning there was an epic battle over the royal purple pig-pillow. Apparently Zesty felt it could not be shared, but Waffle and Tater were certain that it should be shared. It was a very profound, complex war that took place, the primary weaponry being dashing about furiously and flinging of hay.

More on the topic of the thread, or at least the turn it took; thankfully neither Zesty, or Tater, nor even Waffle are remotely human, or this territory dispute would have certainly erupted into military action involving the destruction of the entire continent.

[Susan9608]

Aww, and now I want to hijack it more to hear more about CFs new pig. He's so mouth-foamy about everything else all the time we don't get to hear enough about them. =P

Then do it through private messages ... I agree with Alusdra - time to get back on topic. We have more than enough places and threads for people to discuss their guinea pigs and all things guinea pig related. We only have a few areas for this type of discussion.

[Biscuit]

Sorry!

When they speak of their drill where livestock had to be shot, they mention that fictional riots and protests broke out. I wonder if those riots would be primarily due to the food shortage or some misguided animal welfare hypocrisy.

"The horrific prospect of exterminating potentially millions of animals is not something this country's ready for," said Dr. Floyd Horn.

Amusing quote, particularly out of context.

If meat were to be suddenly extremely difficult or even impossible to obtain, how long would it take for people to be weened of it mentally? Would we have enough veggies?

[CF#5]

Originally Posted by Susan9608

I agree with Alusdra

Hold on while I alert CNN.