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    Fleece.....FRUSTRATED!

    Cleaned the cage yesterday morning and replaced the carefresh bedding with 2 towels and a folded fleece blanket on top.

    I was so excited...loved the look of it, Max loved running around on it etc.

    By the end of the day it was so stinky I couldn't stand to sit next to his cage!

    I took it all out and put carefresh back in!

    TIPS on doing Fleece and not having it stink within a few hours? I can handle every few days but not every few hours!

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    Re: Fleece.....FRUSTRATED!

    How big is your cage? Fleece doesn't work well in a small cage.

    Do you have a litter pan under your hayrack to catch a lot of pee and poop?

    You don't want the fleece folded on top of the towels, just one layer of fleece is all you need.

    And last, are you sure the smell is the fleece and not the peed-on hay?

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    Make sure you don't "fold" the fleece! You want a thin layer of fleece so the urine can run through and reach the towel! The fleece should stay dry and not allow much odor from coming back up.
    I personally do not like towel. I rather have puppy pads. Much more absorbent and controls odor better. Another option is Uhaul pads, Zorb, poliester Rayon fabric.

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    I'm working on that, too. First -- folded fleece blanket? Everyone swears that 2 layers doesn't work like 1 layer. I fold my bigger fleeces either under the pads (harder to do with towels than with sewn-together pads) or over the sides (binder clips help). Folding fleece under sometimes makes it hard for the pads to absorb the liquid when my girls do their business in a corner (more about that later).

    My belief is that other beddings have their own scent -- wood chips smell like wood (obviously), and some people think Carefresh smells like cardboard. So the beauty of fleece is that you smell nothing else -- but then there's nothing to cover the smell. When I use aspen in a litter box, I smell the piggies less, but I smell the wood more -- not really an improvement for me.

    I've been struggling with fleece smell, and others say that when it's "too clean," their cavies stink it up ASAP (especially with boys). They suggest putting something "smelly" back in (cuddle cup, pad, etc.). My forest stays "smelly," so I'm not sure if that's happening with me.

    If you really want to make the fleece work, pay close attention to how Max is using it. I actually found that my girls (I blame Gloria, but I usually do -- she's the "big mama" of the cage) had a poo pile that they were keeping "fresh" by peeing on it. I had my fleece forest in the hard-to-reach corner of the cage, so although I thought I was sweeping all the poos from it daily, they were hiding them from me. I stuck a wooden (i.e., hard for them to move) hidey house in that corner (so they can't really get at that corner to do their business) and moved the fleece forest to a more accessible corner. They're trying to defy me by just moving their business to another corner. I'm going to make more pads and maybe even add "corners" to the pads to catch the liquid, because right now some of it isn't being absorbed by the Uhaul pads. Worse case scenario, I'll pick up more wooden hidey houses to protect my corners!

    I've only done fleece (sometimes with a litter), so I don't really know what the smell is like in a regular cage. I plan to stick it out with fleece, but I might start changing it every day or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpatters View Post
    How big is your cage? Fleece doesn't work well in a small cage.

    Do you have a litter pan under your hayrack to catch a lot of pee and poop?

    You don't want the fleece folded on top of the towels, just one layer of fleece is all you need.

    And last, are you sure the smell is the fleece and not the peed-on hay?
    I have a 2x3 cage. I have a hay rack and then I have a cut cereal box underneath it with more hay in it. He doesn't climb in it too often. He pee's/poops the most by his water bottle and under the upper level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnyguineaus View Post
    Make sure you don't "fold" the fleece! You want a thin layer of fleece so the urine can run through and reach the towel! The fleece should stay dry and not allow much odor from coming back up.
    I personally do not like towel. I rather have puppy pads. Much more absorbent and controls odor better. Another option is Uhaul pads, Zorb, poliester Rayon fabric.
    I folded it because that is the only way it would fit and I didn't want to cut up this particular blanket, just yet.

    I may try ONE layer of fleece and puppy pads. This was a last minute change yesterday and I only had towels available.

    He pees/poops a TON in the area underneath the mid/upper level. Of course it is super hard to get to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by guineapikhs View Post
    I'm working on that, too. First -- folded fleece blanket? Everyone swears that 2 layers doesn't work like 1 layer. I fold my bigger fleeces either under the pads (harder to do with towels than with sewn-together pads) or over the sides (binder clips help). Folding fleece under sometimes makes it hard for the pads to absorb the liquid when my girls do their business in a corner (more about that later).

    My belief is that other beddings have their own scent -- wood chips smell like wood (obviously), and some people think Carefresh smells like cardboard. So the beauty of fleece is that you smell nothing else -- but then there's nothing to cover the smell. When I use aspen in a litter box, I smell the piggies less, but I smell the wood more -- not really an improvement for me.

    I've been struggling with fleece smell, and others say that when it's "too clean," their cavies stink it up ASAP (especially with boys). They suggest putting something "smelly" back in (cuddle cup, pad, etc.). My forest stays "smelly," so I'm not sure if that's happening with me.

    If you really want to make the fleece work, pay close attention to how Max is using it. I actually found that my girls (I blame Gloria, but I usually do -- she's the "big mama" of the cage) had a poo pile that they were keeping "fresh" by peeing on it. I had my fleece forest in the hard-to-reach corner of the cage, so although I thought I was sweeping all the poos from it daily, they were hiding them from me. I stuck a wooden (i.e., hard for them to move) hidey house in that corner (so they can't really get at that corner to do their business) and moved the fleece forest to a more accessible corner. They're trying to defy me by just moving their business to another corner. I'm going to make more pads and maybe even add "corners" to the pads to catch the liquid, because right now some of it isn't being absorbed by the Uhaul pads. Worse case scenario, I'll pick up more wooden hidey houses to protect my corners!

    I've only done fleece (sometimes with a litter), so I don't really know what the smell is like in a regular cage. I plan to stick it out with fleece, but I might start changing it every day or two.
    Thank you!

    I have been using the white carefresh bedding and it doesn't smell like anything to me. What is a fleece forest? If you stuck a wooden hidey house in the corner, wouldn't they just go in the hidey house and continue to do their business? How does that help? I really want to deter him from doing so much of his business underneath the top level....it is hard to get to!

    Could you attach a pic of your cage?

    Also...LOVE your piggy's name Gloria. That is my beautiful 5 year old daughters name :-) I named her after my amazing Grandmother. I am so surprised at how many "animals" are named that... (Hippo on Madagascar, Penguin on Happy Feet and she has been a character in many books) She is a HUGE animal lover and gets such a kick out of it. I can't wait to tell her we found a guinea pig (her fav. pet in the world!!!) named Gloria also.

    Ok, back to the subject at hand... Thank you for your help. I am back to the carefresh for today and until I can figure this out but I really want to make fleece work!

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    They do love targeting the hard-to-get-to areas! I think that the people who have the most success use "reinforcements" in the most-used areas. There's also the advantage that you can pull the pad/cloth out from the area! Just learn from my (stinky) mistake and watch the corners!

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    Re: Fleece.....FRUSTRATED!

    I have a 2x3 cage. I have a hay rack and then I have a cut cereal box underneath it with more hay in it. He doesn't climb in it too often. He pee's/poops the most by his water bottle and under the upper level.
    So you don't have a litter box under the hay? I'd put one there, one at the litter bottle, ad one at the upper level, all with aspen, carefresh, pellets, or something like that in them. You can then change just those areas more frequently than the whole cage.

    You don't have to cut the fleece to fit, just wrap it around the inner layer so that there's only one layer of fleece on top.

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    Re: Fleece.....FRUSTRATED!

    Quote Originally Posted by bpatters View Post
    So you don't have a litter box under the hay? I'd put one there, one at the litter bottle, ad one at the upper level, all with aspen, carefresh, pellets, or something like that in them. You can then change just those areas more frequently than the whole cage.

    You don't have to cut the fleece to fit, just wrap it around the inner layer so that there's only one layer of fleece on top.
    The whole litter box thing was confusing me. People made reference to them but It didn't look like a litter box in pics...just a box with hay to catch the falling hat etc.

    Here is a pic of how I had it set up yesterday. Same set up today except using care fresh bedding instead of the blanket.
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    You can see my hay rack and then underneath is a box with more hay...so you are suggesting I take the hay out of the box and put bedding in there and then an other box under the water bottle and another box in the corner under the upper level? That seems like a lot of boxes and a great deal of floor space taken up?

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    A litter box is a box with absorbent bedding in it, not just a box to catch the hay. Try moving your water bottle next to the hay rack and put a litter box under the whole thing. The litter box needs to be big enough for the pig's butt to be safely inside it while it's eating.

    And yes, I'd put one under the upper level also if that's where the pig is doing its business. The whole object is to catch the output in something that can be easily emptied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpatters View Post
    A litter box is a box with absorbent bedding in it, not just a box to catch the hay. Try moving your water bottle next to the hay rack and put a litter box under the whole thing. The litter box needs to be big enough for the pig's butt to be safely inside it while it's eating.

    And yes, I'd put one under the upper level also if that's where the pig is doing its business. The whole object is to catch the output in something that can be easily emptied.
    I completely understand the concept and will try it but having a big box covering the hole end of the cage and then an other on the other end, takes up 1/2 his floor space for running and playing! :-(

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    If he likes to go under the loft. You can add a smaller towel wrapped with fleece and change them more often. I have these beds in my piggies' sleeping area and change the pads everyday. The bed gets washed with the rest of the cage fleece once a week.

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    I completely understand the concept and will try it but having a big box covering the hole end of the cage and then an other on the other end, takes up 1/2 his floor space for running and playing! :-(
    Bigger cage?

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    Im sorry you seam to be having problem with the fleece. That sucks. Everyone seamed to give good advise on how to use it and some good tips.
    I just wanted to say, I use 3 layers of fleece and towels underneath and I havnt had an issue with smell at all! to me, more layers of fleece seam to help with the smell. Try out a few different things and see what works best for you! If you need more help, ask

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpatters View Post
    Bigger cage?
    I JUST built this one! It is pretty darn big sitting in my living room...LOL He is a very happy piggy with his space. I don't have the time, money or space to build a bigger one just to add litter boxes. Sorry :-(

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    Re: Fleece.....FRUSTRATED!

    You could keep using carefresh in the whole cage or experiment with other bedding.
    Before using fleece in the cage, how many time did you wash it? Is the pee pooling on top of the fleece? And what type of fleece is it?

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    Create Your Own C&C Reversible Cage Liner

    Anyone use these? They are pricey but I can see the convenience if they work!

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    Re: Fleece.....FRUSTRATED!

    Quote Originally Posted by lissie View Post
    You could keep using carefresh in the whole cage or experiment with other bedding.
    Before using fleece in the cage, how many time did you wash it? Is the pee pooling on top of the fleece? And what type of fleece is it?
    It was a fleece blanket I already had here so it has been washed numerous times and I never use fabric softener or anything. I cloth diapered all my kiddos and got used to not using it. :-)

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    Many people use them and like them. But if you sew, you could make your own. I believe those pads are made with fleece on the outside and terry cloths on the inside.

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