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    Ok, before I start my story, I'm asking that no one shouts at me for gtetting my guinea pigs from a pet shop. I didn't do enough research, I know that now, and after the amount of misery our fluffy family is going through right now, I will never touch pet shop animals with a barge pole in the future, or buy their products. For what it's worth, dues are certainly being paid for this poor decision on my part...

    But yes, my girls were gotten from a store that shall remain nameless. They were supposedly thoroughly checked, I took them home, after a couple of territorial scraps they settled in beautifully and seemed very happy. Then, 3 days after bringing them home, I was giving my little Wibble a brush, and found a hard lump the size of a -grape- behind her ear. The ears they'd 'checked' just days before. I gave it a gentle touch and she didn't seem phased by it, she was still playful and chattery and loving her food, but none the less the following day I took her straight back to the shop and showed them. They took her back in, which brought me to tears and promised to get her to the vets first thing monday, which they did and found it was an abscess. It was drained, cleaned and she was put on Baytril, then the following day they asked us to bring her cagemate in as well so she could have company, which we dutifully did.

    Then the day she was due home we were told the lump was back and she had to go back to the vets. They repeated the cleaning, sent her back to the shop with more antibiotics, we were told to give it a few more days and she'd be home.

    And then we're told the lump is back again only real option was surgery, so trying not to think about all the potential dangers, we agreed.

    Surgery goes well, abscess is removed, no sign of any underlying cysts etc, I'm promised there will be a biopsy on what was removed, and she'll be home in five days.

    She was supposed to be coming home today. But I've just been told that overnight she and her cagemate scrapped and the stitches got tugged and pulled away part of the scab and a little pus came out. So she's not coming home again.

    Now first of all, am I wrong in thinking that as she was recovering from a big operation for such a little animal and this sort of thing -must- have been an obvious risk, they should have been in seperate cages?

    Second, what is the real prognosis for this in other people's experience, cos I just -can't- seem to get an honest answer from the petshop. Fair enough, they're paying the vets bills but I have a right to know, don't I? Every time they've said they'd call me with news they've either forgotten or been several days late, when they do have news it's always only when I actually go into the store to try and see her. I was under the belief the vet treating Wibble was cavy savvy but the repeated use of Baytril which clearly isn't working is starting to grind my gears...

    My poor girl is half bald from being shaved for the op, has a two inch scar, is moulting from the stress of it all and is still so affectionate. She plays, she eats well (from what I am able to see, I don't get much time in the way of visitation rights cos they're so busy in the shop..) but she must be sick of everything she's being put through and it just feels like we're slowly losing her...

    We had her 3 and a half days. She's been gone 3 and a half weeks...

    Oh and that biopsy they promised? "Sorry, we aren't going to do it cos it's too expensive." I would pay for it myself but they won't let me change her registration details over to me at the vets to do it and I can't get her home to take her elsewhere. I feel like anything I try and do is just going to endanger her life more...

    I guess some people will think I deserve it because I got her from a pet shop. But whatever my mistakes, Wibble didn't ask for this. Please, if anyone out there has an abscess survivor, what can I do?!

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    I'm so sorry Wibble, and you, are having such problems. I wish that weren't such a common scenario with pet shop pigs.

    A pig can survive an abscess, but probably needs more care than Wibble is getting. You're right that she shouldn't have been housed with another pig, especially since they likely didn't do any sort of proper introductions. And the abscess probably needs draining and flushing several times a day.

    If it were me, I'd go get her and take her straight to a good exotic vet and continue her care from there. If you'll post the city you're closest to, we'll see if we can help you find one.

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    I'm in the Uk in a small town called Newhaven, my nearest city wou.d be Brighton or there's a large town near me called Eastbourne as well. I've just been called by the shop, she's off to the vets again now. I feel like a quivering wreck...

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    I've also just phoned the vets and asked them to do the biopsy under my name. Money is no object to me in this, I just want her well. -Properly- well.

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

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    That's her by the way :( My last night with her

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    Oh, she is adorable. I agree with bpatters, take her to a profectional.
    I fell under the same thing with a petstore pig. I though it was a petstore, they like pets, they must treat them well, but they dont.

    I had a pig with URI, foot sores, and scurvy.

    Sorry for your loss, :(

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    It's like placing your trust with a sitter to take care of your baby and then being cut out of the loop... I know I'm stupidly gushy but that's what it feels like... As soon as I get those biopsy results I am running with her. I just need to find a competent vet. Which is hard, cos everyone I ask is like "Yeah, we're great with small animals.." HOw can you tell till it's too late? :(

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    Oh, and the other gem, the petstore may also have sold me a pregnant pig... Took her to the vets this morning but still too early to tell apparently. At least I can take some comfort in knowing if she does have babies, they will not need to worry about getting a home. We will just find more room for them right here.

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    I'm sorry the pet stores around you don't take good care of their pigs, but I assure you not all pet stores are terrible. I work at a pet store and we take absolute care of our pigs. We separate pigs if they need to be separated, and right now we're even looking after one of our pigs who got pregnant because the supplier accidentally gave us a female with the male pigs. Actually, this has happened twice now.

    I sympathize with you and I hope things work out for the better for you and you get your baby home soon, but please don't lump all of us pet stores into one negative category. Not all of us are bad. :)

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    You, and Wibbles DO NOT deserve this just because of where you got her. My advice? Grab your piggies and RUN!!!!! I would NOT allow them to care for them anymore. You are risking a lot having your pigs there, they could pick up anything-fungus, mites, etc. All it takes is for one person to not wash their hands before handling your pigs. Please get them home, no matter what the store says. If you have more thatn the 2 pigs that were at the store, please quarantine them as soon as you get them home, for 3 weeks, to make sure they didn't pick anything else up. I'm just afraid that maybe they aren't doing the flushes and routine care that need to be done with her. Besides, she'll heal better in your loving arms than in a store. Good luck!

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    Here are a list of UK rescues: http://www.guinealynx.info/rescue_organizations_uk.html. You might contact one or more of them and ask for the name of a good vet.

    Also, you might get a referral from the Cambridge Cavy Trust. There are some links to it down the left side of this website: British Association of Rodentologists British Association of Rodentologists Official Website.

    Good luck!

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    @ Socks: I don't mean to sound overly harsh, I'm sure not all pet shops are the same, I seem to just be having a ferocious run of bad luck and it's making me snappy :(

    Thanks all for the links and advice. I contacted a local guinea pig sanctuary near me and asked them which vet they use, they've pointed me towards one just ten minutes away on the train with a department -just- for small animals. Soon as I get Wibble back I'm running her straight down there and getting them to open the wound up again so we can flush it. Apparently the pet shop are just cleaning the outside with hibiscrub. I almost walked down to the vet and punched them when the girl who is taking responsibility for them told me they wanted to inject Wibble with antibiotics that are for -rabbits- and very dangerous to piggies. She had to stop them... I registered all my pigs with them last week cos I was told they were good but clearly not.... *RAGE*

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    Wibble is finally coming home to my care tomorrow. Her stitches should have dissolved but didn't and so were removed, et voila, the pussiness immediately reduces. I've got her booked with the small animal vet monday, in the meantime have switched from wood shavings to fleeces I am going to change every day and boil wash thorougly. That biopsy was worth doing, showed the baytril was ineffective, so they've now switched her anti-biotics. Don't know what to yet, will post tomorrow and see what peole know of it.

    What do people reccomend for cleaning the wound? HIbiscrub? Diluted iodine? Diluted TCP? Want to make sure I get the right thing. Also, any advice for syringe feeding anti-biotics? I want to try and make it as effective/stressless as possible for her.

    Oh, and have gotten some oxbow alfalfa to mix with her normal hay and lots of vitamin c rich veggies lined up to try and help with her recovery. Anything else I should/shouldn't be doing to try and help things along?

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    Just a small update. Through some hard work and some pretty bolshy behaviour by me towards the vet, it 99% looks like Wibble has beaten her abcess. Or rather, her two abcesses. Found out last week when I got her back she'd had not one growth but two...

    She now has one little scab left, and I've been soaking it to lift it every day with hibiscrub soloution and flushing it to heal it from the inside out. It's actually only about 3mm now, if that. It was a good centimetre a week ago. There has been some little bleeding but -no- pus at all, no sign of new lumps, and her personality is as wonderful and silly as ever. Last night she was chasing around on my chest trying to eat my icecream XD She's supposed to stop her antibiotics tomorrow, but there's enough left in the tub for perhaps 3 days more doses. Should I give her the full course while she still has an open wound? After all, doctors -always- tell people to finish the whole course of anti-biotics.. I know you can't compare animal medicine to human, but it seems logical to me...

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    I would think finishing it would be a good idea.
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    Ah good. I've got another tub I bought in case she didbn't have enough which I haven't even opened yet, so I'll probably go until a day after the wound is completely healed, just to be extra extra sure. It's been too hard beating this to risk letting it come back

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    The last wound closed today. She's got about two days worth of antibiotics left so going to polish them off, but there's no sign of any infection or swelling to suggest it's coming back. *touches wood* I think we've beaten it!

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    Oh wow, I've just found this thread, what an ordeal you've had, I hope you all get settled down into a happy quite life now :)
    By the way "The Guinea Pig Forum" has a good list of cavy savvy vets in the UK, you might want to check it out Recommended Vets - The Guinea Pig Forum

    I'm not dissing this forum, it's just this list is made for the UK specifically.
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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    God bless you and your courageousness.

    I have been following every reply here, but haven't replied myself. Thank heavens your baby is OK.

    :D

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    Re: Going through the seven circles of hell, some experience advice needed please...

    I'm glad to hear that Wibbles is doing so well, too. The best thing you can do now is to tell everyone you know not to buy animals there, or go to that vet. Just to prevent anyone from the suffering you just endured.

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