outdoor vrs indoor

[WEAVER]

Guinea pigs from the time they are born do not need their mother's milk to survive. Six babies is a lot for one pig to have and deliver, she probably is not a first time mom to have that many pups. I do think though that your babies maybe ill because I do not understand why they died....?

Black Magic may have gone into labor too early and the pups maybe premature. If you have two pregnant sows together, when the first one goes into labor you should remove the other pregant sow because it will cause her to go into labor. I do not understand why, but I know I read that somewhere. I hope the babies are all ok.

[twinkies]

I agree with VooDooJoint 100% !!! In my opinion, when you get any dominstacated(spelling?) animal, they are a part of your family. Its a addition to your family, and you wouldnt make them live outside, would you? Our dogs live indoors also, with a doggy door to go out when they need to. Dont want to make anyone mad, but treat your animals as you would your children, they depend on you!

[karen]

[font=Comic Sans MS]Hi, I am new here but have owned guinea pigs for many years.[/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS]Mine all live outdoors, in wooden hutches which are waterproof and as draught proof as I can make them, their hutches are up off of the ground.[/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS]My 2 eldest boars are now 5 years, they are very healthy and have never had to go to the vet, infact none of my 12 have had to visit the vet! (touch wood that will not change)[/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS]Their hutches are full of bedding, shavings, straw toys and tubes to hide in ad lib hay for eating.[/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS]My house is too busy with children, cats and dogs. it is much safer outside for them ,they do come in for cuddles and playtime.[/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS]Their hutches are next to the front door, so can be checked regularly they always talk when people arrive at the house or the door is opened. [/font]
[font=Comic Sans MS]thanks Karen [/font]

[VoodooJoint]

Karen
I'm not surprised you would keep you animals outside. You are a breeder and breeders are notorious for providing inadequate care. Do not expect any kudos on this site. We frown on outdoor houseing and breeding.

[karen]

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

Karen
I'm not surprised you would keep you animals outside. You are a breeder and breeders are notorious for providing inadequate care. Do not expect any kudos on this site. We frown on outdoor houseing and breeding.

Just because I keep outside does not make me bad or a Notorious Breeder.
I don't breed comercially and have never done so, maximum of 1 litter a year ,out of 3 adult sows, Snowy snuggles and Goldie so that is a maximum of 6 -8 pups. I do not sell to pet shops mine go locally to where I live usually friends of my children.
My Hutches are Clean and dry, My Guinea pigs are well fed plenty of Veggies and dry food and as for Healthy animals none have had to go to the Vet EVER but if they needed too would be taken straight away. So I think this proves my CARE is EXCELLENT.
Just because there are bad breeders, don't Tar everyone with the same brush.
My animals are all treated with the love, care and consideration they all deserve they never ever want for anything and never ever go with out.

[BabyGrl]

There really is no such thing a responsible breeder. Do you know the boodlines of all your pigs so that you do not end up with lethals? Are you sure that these "children" you are giving them to are providing excellent care? You say none of your pigs have had to go to the vet EVER, so does that mean they don't get yearly check-ups like they should? Just the fact that your pigs are outsides and that you risk your sows life everytime you breed disproves that your care is excellent. It does not matter if you breed once or breed 100 times, everytime you do it another shelter pig loses its chance at life.

[karen]

Yes!!! I do know the bloodlines from the 4 that I have used to Breed from, the others that I own are not used to Breed with and Infact are ones that I have given a home too.
I never said that my Sow's deliver outside, I know when my Sows are due and they are brought in so a close eye can be kept on them.
Yes I do check where my Guinea pigs go and don't give them to anybody.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by karen

Just because I keep outside does not make me bad or a Notorious Breeder.

It still makes you a breeder.

Originally Posted by karen

I do not sell to pet shops mine go locally to where I live usually friends of my children.

Nice, giving animals to children. How many of those kids will follow your example and breed too? Wouldn't it be better if instead of breeding more you rescued GPs and placed them in homes? You seem to imply that you have no problem finding homes for your animals. Why not help the animals overpopulation problem instead of adding to it.

Enough of the "I'm a good breeder" crap. This not a breeder friendly site. We have heard it all. There is nothing, not one darn thing, you can saw that we haven't heard or will accept. If you continue to discuss your breeding on this site be prepared to get royally attacked for it.

[karen]

It wasn't me that started this it was you, I only replied to a message
Re: outdoor vrs indoor
I didn't mention Breeding YOU DID as usual you goodie goodies Tar everyone with the same brush. I only responded to what you said.
I have 6 guinea pigs that I have given a life long loving home too none of them will ever go anywhere else I love my guinea pigs as much as anyone else.
Both our local vets now me very well and they can ring me if a Guinea pig needs homing, also our local animal rescue no me and would also let me no, but they havent had any to re-home in the 6 years I have lived here so doesn't look like we have much of a problem where I live

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by karen

I didn't mention Breeding YOU DID

You do realize that you filled out a profile page that any member can view right? YOU are the one that decided to brag about breeding. Here's part of your profile

"I have 12 furry friends at present, 7 females and 3 males and 2 baby males who are 10 days have owned guinea pigs on and off for the last 20 years and love them. Have in the last year got back into breeding they are a joy to own"

Originally Posted by karen

as usual you goodie goodies Tar everyone with the same brush.

If "Goodie googies" was ment to be an insult it fell short. I do not consider it a bad thing at all to be a "goodie goodie". Better then being a "badie nasty" I guess. I tar all breeders with the same brush. I tar them as Breeders. Breeders add to an already overpopulated world of animals. Face it sweetie, you are part of the problem while I try to be a solution.

Originally Posted by karen

I have 6 guinea pigs that I have given a life long loving home too

Is it 6 or 12? Your profile says 12.

Originally Posted by karen

they havent had any to re-home in the 6 years I have lived here so doesn't look like we have much of a problem where I live

Keep breeding, I'm sure you can change that.

[karen]

Yes I do have 12 in total but 6 of them are ones that I have given a home too and 4 other I bought and the babes. But it was you who brought up the breeding on the thread.
Yes I put about breeding on my profile as I am honest and don't hide things!
If any new people join and read posts they may think twice about being honest.

[BabyGrl]

as usual you goodie goodies Tar everyone with the same brush

As usual?
Got Troll?

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by babygrl1234

As usual?
Got Troll?

No, not a troll. Just someone trying to reassure themselves that keeping pets outside where they are at risk of predators (both human and animal), bugs, parasites, weather and temperature extremes is acceptable and responsible.

She's also looking for others to reasure her that her set-up sounds wonderful. While she may get some of our members who do support her I can pretty much guarentee it will be members who also keep their pets outside and need the reasurance themselves.

I'm not going to play the "you brought it up first" game about breeding. I admit that I brought it out onto the forum first. I did it because I looked at Karen's profile to see what could explain why someone would think keeping pets outside is reasonable. I got my answer when I read that she breeds.

[lol_adel]

(I thought this was about keeping guinea pigs outside)

Anyway hi all, I'm back! I just thought I'd give you an update on what's happening . My mum still wont let me keep my piggies inside .But I guess she has the excuse of them now being 7 years old and a change for them wouldn't be that good? I love them dearly and I bring them inside when it gets over 30 or under 20 degrees and put a cover over thier cage when it gets too windy .My guinea pigs are happy & I see them every day so Im kind of lost at the moment .

xxLoloxx

[Fluffball]

They would enjoy the change. There are guinea pigs that have been outside all their lives and then get rescued and kept inside, without any problems.

Let her give you a trial period, maybe 2 weeks? Make sure you clean the cage, do everything possible to make it acceptable and see if she will let them be in permanetly. No matter how old a guinea pig to prolong its life it must be kept inside.

Goodluck, I do hope it works out!

[vlb_21]

Originally Posted by stubblychin

***Deep Breath***
Drafts, Huge Fluxuations in Temperature, Natural Predators, Lice, Ticks, Fleas, Vandals, Yobs, Thugs.
Indoors you have none of these as long as you pigs are kept up off the floor at least by a foot. Temperature is more constant. Fluxuations of maybe 10 degrees c as opposed to 30 degrees outside. No problems with natural predators as they can't get in through the door and same goes for Vandals.
Yes Guinea Pigs CAN live outdoors. However it is BEST to keep them indoors. You should always do best by your pets, not by you, otherwise they are just entertainment rather than family members.

Mine live in a shed, not cages and are warm even in winter, I know cos I sit in there with them when its freezing outside. Besides I would rather let them have a LOT of space (and its not empty space they have tunnels and boxes etc) than to have them indoors with little space.