Sad: CBS story on the unwanted parrot

[lmarieaa]

Originally Posted by 4piggers

I enjoy my pets, I have breeding rabbits, (not to mention they live in hutches) own parrots. I have 2 pregnant guinea pigs, and I love reptiles, and have owned my fair share. This is why I dont say much on this board. Im here for cage ideas, and new food thoughts...and I love to look at pig pictures. Other then that...the cultness here hurts my head. But to see people talk so *off* on parrots, makes me want to stand up for them.

And by the way if you are such an animal rescue pioneer then maybe you should learn how to take proper care of your rabbits by bringing them inside and stop breeding your animals for your own pleasure....oh but its so wrong to have and breed parrots, but ok to poorly house and breed your rabbits? Are you kidding me!?

[4piggers]

Originally Posted by lmarieaa

And by the way if you are such an animal rescue pioneer then maybe you should learn how to take proper care of your rabbits by bringing them inside and stop breeding your animals for your own pleasure....oh but its so wrong to have and breed parrots, but ok to poorly house and breed your rabbits? Are you kidding me!?

Thats funny, animal control thought I had a beautiful set up, last time they were here to bring me another surrendered guinea pig. They told me what wonderful care I give them, and wished more owners did the same.

Not to mention the vets who call me to ask me advice and parrot behavior, or the fact that they give my number to all their parrot patients. And the 3 other rescue I work hand in hand with.

So...yea...before you judge.


I still think people need to read and think before they just spew off, that people should have their birds bonded to other birds, or fixed. The damage that can be done to a parrot emotionally,by making these types of mistakes, far exceeds a guinea pigs cage missing a grid or two.

And dont forget, you still own a confined animal for your own pleasure. Which, if Im not mistaken, goes against PETA. So stop pointing fingers. Non of us here are saints, no one here is perfect. So for every stone you throw, remember you get double back. All I was doing was stating the person commiting on parrot care was wrong. And I will stand by that no matter.

[blackarrow]

Originally Posted by 4piggers

This has become almost comical....

And what do you do when they hit sexual maturity? When they hit the *teens* and have attitude with the other parrots? Or when the other parrot does not reciprocate the sexual advances? I see the damage DAILY. I have had birds come in and out of my home because of this mentality.

Now...you guys want the respect of not passing on information on guinea pigs you are 100% sure of. And seeing that this is a GUINEA PIG board not a parrot board...you should probably stop giving out this type of information. After all someone might be browsing and find this tidbit of info and believe it true...isnt that what is said about anyone speaking against the views of this board on guinea pigs?

I understand your frustration with bad information but your message is nearly totally lost in your hostility. If you want to advance your cause you're probably going to have to stop acting like the very people who are saying things about guinea pigs that you disagree with.

[4piggers]

Originally Posted by blackarrow

I understand your frustration with bad information but your message is nearly totally lost in your hostility. If you want to advance your cause you're probably going to have to stop acting like the very people who are saying things about guinea pigs that you disagree with.

Well for 1, I think to much was read into any *hostility* in the start. I am agitated now. But more shocked then.

And for 2...these same people jump and get hostile to others and everyone seems fine with that.

Anyway. I stand by my words.

[lmarieaa]

Animal control would think anything is better than having the animals put down.
You still never responded to your hypocrisy. It is okay to keep and breed guinea pigs and rabbits, but not okay to keep and breed parrots? Are you out of your mind?
And as far as "confined" animals go....a dog is a confined animal if you are going to say my guinea pigs are confined. My guinea pigs get free range of the house for more than 6 hours a day. If my guinea pigs could talk I doubt they would use the word "confined".

[lmarieaa]

Originally Posted by 4piggers

So...yea...before you judge.

You need to follow some of your own advice for once. You judged everyone that responded from the start.

Rabbits live awful lives outdoors, I do not care how "nice" of a "set up" you may have. There is way too much evidence against keeping outdoor rabbits.

How dare you put your poor sows through the pain of being bred for your own amusement. Do not compare me having guinea pigs for my amusement to your reasons for it. I will never breed my guinea pigs and put them through that.

By the way, thank you for breeding your rabbits and guinea pigs and whatever animals you may have, and contributing to the overpopulation. I am guessing you get a quick buck out of it or something.

[Paula]

Okay folks, enough. Stop the arguing. Everyone has said what they want to say and nobody's changing anyone's mind - so let it be.

If you want to carry on this discussion start a new thread but get this post back on topic and stop fighting about which animals are okay to keep as pets and which aren't and who is taking better care of their pets.

[lmarieaa]

I apologize, I just wanted some insight on the hypocrisy, and why it is okay for 4piggers to breed the other animals but not okay to breed and have parrots as pets. It is a bit strange.

[Paula]

I understand, but it's just counterproductive at this point to keep dragging it on. We all know rabbits shouldn't live outside. We all know animals shouldn't be bred - no matter what species.

[4piggers]

Who said I bred these pigs? I just said I had pregnant ones. The female I have has spent her whole life with this male, she happens to be 5-6 years old. And she was a surrender....in this condition. So how dare YOU speak to me that way, and yet again judge me.

And I did respond about breeding parrots....I mentioned the emotional stress it puts on them. Most Bred parrots have plucked themselves bald.

And in one of my threads I did mention dogs, I made a list and mentioned I could go on...

I apologize, I just wanted some insight on the hypocrisy, and why it is okay for 4piggers to breed the other animals but not okay to breed and have parrots as pets. It is a bit strange

Ok do you really not see the hypocrisy? Really? Is it that brainwashed here? I mentioned EVERY no no I could think of at the moment to add to my post. And I did get jumped...But who jumped the original poster about bonded and fixing parrots? And all misguided info on parrots? NO ONE...THAT my love....is the EXACT hypocrisy/cult crap Im talking about. No one cared until it was an animal this board deems worthy.

[babybunny]

Originally Posted by paula.m.moore

We all know animals shouldn't be bred - no matter what species.

4piggers~ Do you really not read people's posts? We all care about animals. I, myself, care about all species. To say we only care about particular animals is very wrong.

[4piggers]

Originally Posted by babybunny

4piggers~ Do you really not read people's posts? We all care about animals. I, myself, care about all species. To say we only care about particular animals is very wrong.

Did you not read? Did you not see no one cared but me when I spoke up about the parrots. She was defended. I say something that will knowingly get panties in a wad...and look. Just as I stated would happen. I got just as upset as the person now yelling at me, at the wrong information that was being posted. But...I was wrong to state so. Now I say things to upset someone else, same said person now attacks me....and thats fine.

You really dont see the irony in that?

[shamrockmommy]

I understand the passion in all of the posters' words. Having seen first hand, however, the immense stress on the caged birds- particularly the large parrots, I can say that they are not ideal pets and probably should not be in the 'average' pet owner's homes.

There are rescuers and those who are quite knowledgeable about parrots but it is very difficult to allow them their natural behaviors in the average household.

They are meant to fly long distances, many miles per day. They are meant to chew and scream. They're basically a toddler with a can opener on their faces! LOL They are meant to have the security of a flock. These cannot be disputed as their natural behaviors. We humans have taken them out of their natural environments and attempted to domesticate them. They may be tame but they are still, at heart, wild animals.

This is not to say that the birds existing in homes today should not be loved by us humans, it's my own *personal* opinion that we should probably leave these very complex beings in the wild, flying miles overhead where they belong.

If you do have parrots, go ahead, love them, care for them, enrich their daily lives as best you can but I wouldn't suggest going out and getting another. Take an honest look at this.

[4piggers]

Originally Posted by shamrockmommy

I understand the passion in all of the posters' words. Having seen first hand, however, the immense stress on the caged birds- particularly the large parrots, I can say that they are not ideal pets and probably should not be in the 'average' pet owner's homes.

There are rescuers and those who are quite knowledgeable about parrots but it is very difficult to allow them their natural behaviors in the average household.

They are meant to fly long distances, many miles per day. They are meant to chew and scream. They're basically a toddler with a can opener on their faces! LOL They are meant to have the security of a flock. These cannot be disputed as their natural behaviors. We humans have taken them out of their natural environments and attempted to domesticate them. They may be tame but they are still, at heart, wild animals.

This is not to say that the birds existing in homes today should not be loved by us humans, it's my own *personal* opinion that we should probably leave these very complex beings in the wild, flying miles overhead where they belong.

If you do have parrots, go ahead, love them, care for them, enrich their daily lives as best you can but I wouldn't suggest going out and getting another. Take an honest look at this.

This is my point, the ones we have now, need to be taken care of. And for someone to say, if you cant have two that are bonded you shouldnt have any....does ANYONE get how this is so very wrong? They are not guinea pigs that need the company. Instead of getting a second parrot to care for the first you are having issues with, they should learn how to deal with the ONE parrot and give the ONE parrot that attention it craves.
When cared for correctly, we become the foster flock. And this is where people need to learn what that means, and I will be the first to admit, not everyone can or should have a parrot. I throw out about 20 applications, and might only get 1 that MAY be acceptable. And I throw out the ones that say, I want a colorful, talking bird. Or the ones that say, my cockatoo screams I need to get it a buddy. I get about 5 of those types DAILY.

So yes...it SICKENS me to see someone just say that with no knowledge of what they are saying. I STILL believe that this is what this site is against. I mentioned scurvy once and got rudely told about that. And yes it makes me soooo utterly ticked that this can be looked over for whatever reason. Being its not a guinea pig, or that I happen to be the one that said something. Whatever the reason....it needs to be told and heard that is information is wrong. Because it will in no way shape or form help the birds we currently have in our homes.

If anyone wants, I can post you some pictures I have of birds that are so plucked because the bird was so devastated with the new bird *buddy* the owners bought to make them *happy*

[Paula]

Thread closed. Enough's enough.

4piggers - no one attacked you. It's you that's been doing the attacking with blanket statements about members here. The posts that got you so upset in no way whatsoever suggested that anyone should be attempting to bond parrots or neuter them. Those were simple questions and you are the one being defensive and rude.