'Disney's Ratatouille gives kids taste for rats'

[TX_2_Pigs]

Originally Posted by gpigluver14

Oh dear. Please tell me its a cartoon. Does anyone know if it is?

It does not appear to be.

Plot Outline: A specially trained squad of guinea pigs is dispatched to stop a diabolical billionaire from taking over the world.

According to Internet Movie Database, IMDB.com, it is slated for release in May 2009 with Nicolas Cage as the voice of Speckles, Steve Buscemi as the voice of Bucky and Will Arnet (who did the voice of Horst in Ratatouille) and Kelli Garner (she was one of the cheerleaders in Man of the House). They state that it is currently filming.

Looks like there are a lot of very active performers from lots of recent releases like Transformers, Into the Wild, The Comebacks, Bad News Bears, and more so it will probably get lots of publicity.

[Susan9608]

Most of them do it alone. I am doing it alone too.

Again, I'm asking you what your suggestions are. The "attitude" you perceive is simply a weariness over individuals coming here and suggesting (however veiled or subtle the suggestion is) that what our members are doing to promote change isn't enough ... yet, there are rarely any suggestions for what else could be done.

So, I'm asking you. You obviously have some idea of what else you'd like to see being done. Tell us. Saying we should band together is very vague and doesn't mean anything. For one thing, just by being a member of this strong animal rights forum is a banding of like minded individuals. Many of us are also members of other animal rights or animal welfare groups outside of this forum. It's hard to judge what others do when you only encounter them in one venue. So what exactly do you mean by "band" together? What are your practical and reality based suggestions for other actions to take to promote change and better treatment of non human animals?

[gpigluver14]

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Originally Posted by gpigluver14
Oh dear. Please tell me its a cartoon. Does anyone know if it is?

It does not appear to be.

Great. Now not only will thousands of kids be buying guinea pigs, the guinea pigs featured in the movie will most likely go through abuse being involved with it. And where are they going to get the pigs to be in the movie? I doubt they'd be from a shelter.

[Ally has U's]

I have the same ideas you have and everyone else I am not arguing with you if we are agreeing.

I am not smarter or anything I am just stating my opinion. I mean if we can achieve womens rights, African American rights in the USA. Than who says we can't do it for the all the species who can't tell us themselves.

They won because they wouldn't back down.


How many times have you fought against someone over animals rights or tried to explain something that someone is doing wrong to an animal and they just won't stop and you walk away and give up? How many times have you seen an unfortunate animal in a pet store and didn't go talk to the manager or call everyone you possible could to get it fixed? have you ever called the ASPCA or OSHA on a company that is giving terrible lives to animals? How many times do you just walk past and not say how you feel because it is rude or someone you look up to or a whole company in that matter or because you wouldn't know what to say or are sacred to?

I have gave up a lot.
I have been scared a lot.
Sometimes I don't follow through because I have been knocked down by the world about it so many times that I just feel it wouldn't work this time.

It is because we are alone it is natural to feel scared about a huge thing in front of you if you are going it alone.

I too am part of other organizations, in some we have successfully stop companies from doing something, put information out to the public to any listening ear and even ears that only partially hear us. Saved animals from testing and death. Some I just sent money some I just signed petitions but in a lot of them I have been right in the middle of the whole thing. Even was the "dorky" kid in high school who got all her friends to watch the educational videos on how mistreated their "food" actually is or how pet stores work (among others). I am also the dorky kid who past out informational fliers for PETA in my high school and once at Warped Tour in Michigan (that was awesome).

On top of giving up we have people who just plainly don't care what happens, to them it needs to be talking to them for them to care.

I know I am new to this site and you think that I am just some annoying newbie who doesn't get it. But I get it, I do.

[Susan9608]

I know I am new to this site and you think that I am just some annoying newbie who doesn't get it.

That's actually not what I think at all. You said:

BUT, sure we can create threads and wear t-shirts, plaster anti-stickers on everything and even go vegan; but who with power is watching us and going that is something we need to fix. So far no one. (Also I am going to state that their is nothing wrong with doing any of those things the more we can get out there the better, but it can't be the only thing we do).

So I'm asking you what else do you recommend we do? So far I haven't seen any suggestions. I don't know that you have the same ideas that I do - or that everyone else does - because you haven't stated any.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but I would like to see some back up when it comes to things like this. Many individuals - not just you - have come here and stated that we're not doing enough just by posting on this forum or engaging in whatever activity we happen to be engaging in. But there are rarely any suggestions for what else these individuals would like to see done.

I would like people to start being accountable when they come here and state that what we are doing is not enough, or isn't working, or isn't good enough, what have you. I would like to see some specifics, some real work ideas on what else we can do.

If you have ideas, share them. If you have plans and thoughts about how else to promote animal welfare and animal rights, then share them. Spill all the details. You're not gaining anything by keeping it to yourself ... you're not helping animals that way at all.

[Ally has U's]

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WOW!

I use to live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area well right outside of the city. Michigan is quite the opposite of Texas. I like it better here then there.

Ok, so I never meant what this website is doing is not working. Why would I be part of a website that is not actually getting anything done. I love this forum so far. Extremely informative. My pigs love it to. People on here are just brilliant.

As for my experiences. Why should I share my portfolio of animal rights movements with you? I already gave you vague ones. What about you? Do you do more then get mad at someone on a forum?

Wait I really don't care, because I know that whatever you are doing and whatever someone else on this forum is doing is helping one way or another.
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I guess I should leave my comments and ideas to people I can talk to face to face because on here people may never understand if you are talking positively or not. Which is really sad because that is what internet forums like this one are for. Even when I tried my hardest to stop you from arguing against someone who isn't arguing against you it didn't work.
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Now back to that movie we were speaking of. Has anyone seen it? I thought it looked good, putting all other things aside.

Media is never going to get better in fact it has allowed to display almost anything now and days. But Disney is still good. Talking about the person who spoke above, they have put informative things in their movies. As a kid I was sad about Tramp being in the pound.

Maybe Disney could do little mini kids movie things where they are still using Disney animal characters but they are putting information on animals and such related items in it while being cute enough to get children's attention. Then again would they listen.

It all comes down to the parents.

If I had a child interested in having an animal I would tell them that would have to do what I do for my pets every day for a month and if they can handle doing it all and if they want to do it, not necessarily because it is fun but because they want to do for the sake of the animal. If they could do it then I would let them have one. BUT it would be a family pet that they can solely take care of but the cage would be out where everyone can see like my cage now.

[petz-r-life]

Originally Posted by babybunny

I know back in the day after 101 Dalmatians, every dalmatian in a shelter/pound in our area had a waiting list of adopters. Sadly, a dalmatian isn't the type of dog for every one. Reflecting on it now, its sad how people (including my mom, then) get caught up in animal fads based on silly movies.

Yes, but also about later, shelters were flooded with unwanted dalmation puppies that were bought from breeders.

[MissCin]

I don't blame the kids, I blame the parents. They should not give in even if the kid kicks and screams.
My eight year old cousin watches this show called "wonder pets", its about a guinea pig, a turtle, and a duck. Of course that made her want to get a guinea pig (specially because I have two), she begged her parents. They almost gave in but I had a talk with my uncle and they told her no after all.

[Wheek Weak]

Now back to that movie we were speaking of. Has anyone seen it? I thought it looked good, putting all other things aside.

Great. That means more people will see it. Wonderful.

It all comes down to the parents.

Bingo. Therein lies the problem.

If I had a child interested in having an animal I would tell them that would have to do what I do for my pets every day for a month and if they can handle doing it all and if they want to do it, not necessarily because it is fun but because they want to do for the sake of the animal. If they could do it then I would let them have one. BUT it would be a family pet that they can solely take care of but the cage would be out where everyone can see like my cage now.

That's you. What about all the other parents who don't know the first thing about guinea pig care...don't know where to look for it...don't bother to look for it...get their information from the pet store they buy it from...put it in a tiny cage...give it pellets, a water bottle, and a block of colored wood...consider it ridiculous to take it to a vet...etc., etc., etc., just because their kid(s) saw it in a movie and wanted the newest toy that Disney advertised to them?


We will be adding more 2x5 cages (not near enough, I'm sure), before the movie comes out, for extra rescues when the "we bought it for the kid(s)...they don't want it anymore...no one pays attention to it...it just sits in the corner" calls start coming in.


We've heard it many, many times...what's a few dozen more, huh?

[vanillapooh1979]

My kids watched Ratatouille, Flushed Away with Rodney the rat , also Dr. Dolitte which you know features Rodney the wisecracking Guinea Pig , Fievel Goes West ,The Rescuers Down Under Finding Nemo( although every orange fish is called Nemo now) and Tom and Jerry . None of these movies induced them to say mommy I want that ( fill in the blank) animal. I think all the blame for neglected and abused animals should be held to adults, not on children who really don't know better without proper teaching . My children understand that pets are a big responsibility and that they need food water medical care ect. Thanks Naomi

[DaCourt]

We saw the movie. It was very good...from a story stand point. It basically was saying don't let someone put a label on you and say, you are this because you are ____ (fill in the blank...female, Catholic, Black, a RAT...etc...) Follow your dreams and you can be and do what ever you want.

Disney make children's movies. They are wonderful at it. THey pioneered it. There is nothing wrong with what they do. It all boils down to the parents. Disney tells a story in a way they can relate to kids...through animals. Parents need to learn how to say no to their children and to take the opportunity to educate their children instead of giving into their every whim.

My daughter had some kids come up to her at school who knew she worked with a GP rescue. They asked her if taking care of rat was the same. They had seen the movie. She told them to have thier parents help them do research on the internet and to not ask at the pet store.