Breeder block hutches - Page 4

**Myspoiltpiggies** · #61 09-24-05, 05:55 pm

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Originally Posted by GPperson

Urm, here is a stange question for you all, are you all guinea pig physcologists?? Well you must think you are.

Even a small child can work out that your cage would be terribly uncomfortable to live in.

ilovpiggiesthei · #62 09-24-05, 05:56 pm

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Originally Posted by citronsoul

Where's the proof they don't? The reason this site advocates C&C size recommendations is because of the visible difference that has been witnessed over & over again of the guinea pigs housed in them.

kk fair enough but we all have opinions

guineapigqueen · #63 09-24-05, 06:08 pm

We all have our own opinions, well said.

I have seen some other breeders who arent the nicest people in the world, and will kill their pigs or 'stock' as they are known because they didnt do well at the shows have 4 pigs in similar size cages my boars live in. They are the sterotypical people you want to be getting at not me!

I currently have 50ish guinea pigs and non of them are showing any signs of stress. They have toys, food and water. I would consider themselves very lucky because I have taken guineas from the sterotypical breeders and given them a better life, well thats my opinion.

**Myspoiltpiggies** · #64 09-24-05, 06:15 pm

We're not going round looking for breeders who keep their guinea pigs in terrible conditions just so we can scream at them. I just spotted your site over the Internet and thought it was a very small amount of space. So, since your here, we are trying to persuade you to give your pigs more room. We are just concerned for them. We aren't doing this to upset you. At the end of the day it is up to you. But at least we tried. Yes, we all have opinions. Sometimes its just right to *try* and change peoples' opinions, like in this situation. Because I just can't imagine how they can stretch their legs when they are in their hutches.

ilovpiggiesthei · #65 09-24-05, 06:19 pm

theres no need to be concerned about these pigs!!

guineapigqueen · #66 09-24-05, 06:25 pm

Atleast I am on the internet, some breeder think taking about guinea pigs is crap and they used these animals for MONEY and kill them if they dont get it.

See you are just digging your feet back in saying "Because I just can't imagine how they can stretch their legs when they are in their hutches."

View these photos, would you see a sterotypical breeder doing this??
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/000_0759.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/000_0929.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/000_0928.jpg

ilovpiggiesthei · #67 09-24-05, 06:30 pm

you treat your pigs wonderfully

**Guinea_Gal** · #68 09-24-05, 07:02 pm

Are the cavies fenced in, or can they run anywhere? It's dangerous not to have an enclosure.

**DocDolittle** · #69 09-24-05, 07:12 pm

It's time to face the music: It's been proven that guinea pigs enjoy bigger space; It's been proven that all guinea pigs, for the most part, even boars, enjoy company; It's been proven that keeping you're pigs out in the open in your yard like that it dangerous.

I have no idea where you got the idea that guinea pigs feel safer in small spaces. Do you realize that guinea pigs need time to run about and play with each other? The majority of pig owners on this site made C&C cages, and guess what: they've noticed a change for the better in their pigs. My boys used to drive each other crazy when I introduced them: because they had absolutely no room for themselves. How would you like it if your so-called "personal bubble" was constantly being invaded because you lived in your bathroom? But now they adore each other, to a certain extent. They're always playing and teasing each others, and they're constantly popcorning. They used to hide every time I'd visit them. Now they actually try to climb the grids when I pass. You're telling me they're unhappy?

And you only have single boars? Pardon my french, but that's a load of crap. How would you like only getting to see a giant who takes care of you and not seeing anybody else. I'm pretty sure that I would be unhappy.

And just the fact that you have that many sows outside at the same time, what would you do if you were distracted with one sow when an animal came and took anohter. I'm sure where you are you have at least one species of birds of prey and a few carnivorous mammals. Not all animals would be afraid of you if such a meal was at stake. If my boys are ever outside then I'm always sitting with my legs at least partially surrounding them, and I only have two!

So, even if you do think that you're doing a good job at taking care of your piggers, you're outnumbered. We have solid proof of our pigger's happiness.

**Susan9608** · #70 09-24-05, 07:14 pm

Oh please - go defend your small cages some place else. You won't convince anyone on *this* forum that your pigs are happy and delighted to be living in what amounts to simply a toliet. You can argue till your fingers fall off from excessive typing, but, in the end, the pictures of your cages speak for themselves.

The pictures of your pigs running around outside are great - I imagine, for the pigs, it's a lot like the hour out in the yard that convicted felons get every day.

Also, no one dragged you here against your will. You *chose* to come on here and defend yourself. Had you simply ignored the original post and went about your business, this thread would have died out long ago. Instead *you* are the one attracting more attention, and thus more criticism, by your repeated posting and defenses.

No one on this forum owes you an apology for anything. No one has made personal remarks about you or insulted you in any way; no one has done anything except present the facts - that your cages are too small - and then express their opinions about those facts.

**thecalders** · #71 09-24-05, 07:16 pm

Personally I think these cages look great...

If you are only looking to warehouse them to "eatin" size.

Honestly though, you are free to your opinions, and you should be free to voice them, but you must realize that this is a forum of those with very strong beliefs that biggies need A LOT of room. I find it amazing that you would actually recommend those on your page to visit Cavy Spirit and Cavy Cages and not get that.

That being said, I have to go clean out my own pets habitats.

Amanda

**thecalders** · #72 09-24-05, 07:55 pm

Mind you, I am not at all insinuating that you are consuming your beloved piggies, honestly it is just that they are made with the needs of livestock in mind, not homes for pets.

You can tell yourself whatever you like to believe, you can tell your friends whatever it is you tell yourself you have convinced yourself of, and you can most certainly tell us whatever it is you tell yourself and your friends that you want to believe, but the truth is in the pudding. Plain fact is, these cages are build to house x amount of cavies in x amount of space, not with the best interests of the actual guinea pigs in mind. No matter how many "breaks" you give them to their confinement.

Is there worse out there? You be there is. If that allows you to sleep at night, then what do you care what we think?

**jennawing** · #73 09-24-05, 11:00 pm

http://www.petplace.com:

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Analgesics (pain medications) help alleviate abdominal discomfort. Gastroenteritis will cause gas production and intestinal bloating which can be very uncomfortable. The pain causes guinea pigs to become anorexic and lethargic. The lack of ingested food and activity causes an ileus (slowing or stasis of the gastrointestinal tract) which allows for an increased absorption of the toxins. Banamine® (flunixin meglumine) is a good non-steroidal anti-inflamatory drug (NSAID) that is effective for gastrointestinal pain. Opiods (butorphanol, buprenorphine) are also used.

Just so you didn't miss that- lack of ... activity is the cause of gastroenteritis- lack of activity due to too-small living quarters. Your pigs died because they could not move around. Enough said.

**DocDolittle** · #74 09-24-05, 11:10 pm

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Just so you didn't miss that- lack of ... activity is the cause of gastroenteritis- lack of activity due to too-small living quarters. Your pigs died because they could not move around. Enough said.

Well-said Jennawing!

**Ly&Pigs** · #75 09-24-05, 11:29 pm

ilovpiggiesthei, hollypig, Gracie and GP Person. I want all four of you to know this. This site is VERY ANTI-BREEDING, and clearly you all are breeders, hence the small prisons you keep your pigs in. We promote cages of the minimum of 7.5 square feet for 2 pigs, cages that allow pigs good movement, cages that allow pigs to run around in, popcorn in, have plenty of room for hidey houses, toys and food dishes. I suggest you four go back to wherever you came taking your rubbish with you.

I can also say these four are individual people that one of them has dragged over here to defend their views and not one person with 4 names. You can defend each other all you want, but it will be a cold day in hades before you convince any of us that keeping a pig in a 2 sq. ft. cage is healthy, beneficial or right.

No one on this forum owes you an apology for anything. No one has made personal remarks about you or insulted you in any way; no one has done anything except present the facts - that your cages are too small - and then express their opinions about those facts.
Susan, I can't agree with your statement more.

**lilipution1013** · #76 09-25-05, 02:25 am

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Originally Posted by Gracie

Um whats wrong with those cages, mine are the same size. They have the recommended 2 square foot per piggie, as recommended by Seagulls Guinea Pig Compendium.

Are you serious? TWO SQUARE FEET? That would be like a human being living in a dumpster. Yeah, you have enough room for your lungs to expand, and maybe turn around, but what kind of miserable existence is that?

**lilipution1013** · #77 09-25-05, 02:30 am

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Originally Posted by GPperson

Atleast I am on the internet, some breeder think taking about guinea pigs is crap and they used these animals for MONEY and kill them if they dont get it.

See you are just digging your feet back in saying "Because I just can't imagine how they can stretch their legs when they are in their hutches."

View these photos, would you see a sterotypical breeder doing this??
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/000_0759.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/000_0929.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/000_0928.jpg

Aww, frolicking guinea pigs. *Makes happy motorboat noises* Now THAT'S what piggies really need. I recently had to downgrade my poor girls to a smaller cage -- actually, two store-bought cages turned into one -- because I had to move to school, and had to leave the guinea pigs in the care of my mother, who was afraid she would break the C&C cage I built. To make up for the sudden decrease in size, she's been allowing the girls to run free around my room (with all cords and chewables removed, of course) to get their little piggy selves some exercise. If you're going to keep your pig in a jail cell and not let it run around, that should be animal cruelty.

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