Alaska Oil Drilling

[VoodooJoint]

House OKs oil drilling in Alaska refuge
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html

[Sabriel]

Of course the article fails to mention that this goes against a treaty that both the US and Canada signed stating that neither country would harm the Caribous' migrating lands. But of course what does Bush know about keeping promises? I mean go ahead screw with your own wildlife but don't kill off ours at the same time.

I think this highlights the need for approval when what you do affects neibouring countries. They didn't even stop and think about "Hey didn't we tell Canada that we wouldn't do that?" or do we not matter anymore? It's not like we voted for him. If he ran in Canada he wouldn't have a chance at winning.

[Slap Maxwell]

Ugh. Bush is such a pain in the butt. I can't believe this.

[Sabriel]

Image what we feel up here. We didn't even vote him in, but all of his far reaching policies affect us. Like the new passport thing. We don't care if we can't go into the US without a passport, but if Americans need one to go back home how many will come to Canada for a visit? My home town makes a killing off of Americans that come to our casino so that they don't have to pay taxes on the winnings.

[Roberta]

Originally Posted by Sabriel

Image what we feel up here. We didn't even vote him in, but all of his far reaching policies affect us. Like the new passport thing. We don't care if we can't go into the US without a passport, but if Americans need one to go back home how many will come to Canada for a visit? My home town makes a killing off of Americans that come to our casino so that they don't have to pay taxes on the winnings.

Maybe you don't like it, but think of us here in the US. We were attacked by terrorists and some of them through Canada to get here. I am sure if Canada experienced what we did you would feel totally different.

I also don't agree with destroying an animal refuge, but American needs to stop relying on these wacko foreign countrys for our oil. I am hoping long term this decision will help.

I don't trust any policitical party anymore, but I did vote for Bush twice and would again.

[VoodooJoint]

Sabriel

Don't forget that about half of us Americans don't like Bush, didn't vote for him and many of us did all we could to keep him out of office.

On behalf of the gentler half of the country I appologize.

If things keep going like they are here in the USA you may have a new neighbor moving in. Got room up there for a crazy Voodoo chick?

[Sabriel]

Hate to tell you that's a myth. Read about it here by one of your country's own newspapers.

So if the US can't even figure out who not to give visas to, how are they going to keep out terrorists with a simple passport?

but American needs to stop relying on these wacko foreign countrys for our oil. I am hoping long term this decision will help.

If you all stoped having that attitude maybe those "wacko" countires wouldn't hate you so much. A little tolerence goes a long way. Instead of invading them, lend a helping hand and you will get the same results. Canada helps many failed and failing countries and the CN Tower is still intact. There is a reason everyone isn't out to get us. We don't have people like Bush in power. Our most heavy handed political leader wouldn't go to war because it would cost too much.

[Sabriel]

If you really are from New Orleans you should fit right in with what your countrymen and women think are "messed up social policies". Pack your parka and your flip flops. Our weather has both extremes

Edit: I realize only half of you voted for him, but he would have done worse then the Green Party over here. (sorry Green Party people. Don't feel bad. I vote NDP) Someone like him would have gotten like 5% of our votes. Even so, I accept your appology

[Roberta]

Actually, more than half voted for Bush since he was re-elected.

Also, I don't think what you called "gentler half" is really that way, since they had to make up things to try to discredit Bush.

I am sure the conservatives in this country wouldn't mind at all if the liberals moved somewhere else.

[Sabriel]

Slightly more then half. He was barley re-elected. And correct me if I'm wrong but do the swift boat people ring a bell? Bush wasn't exaclty reigning them in either. I don't think the Kerry camp was making things up. They just happened to find things that you don't like to hear. Bush is not perfect, heck he ran enough companies into the ground to prove that one.

[FurryCritters]

First, you need to stop listening to the liberal news media - they make up anything to get ratings.

I also think you have it mixed up "The Swiftvets" were against Kerry because of how he lied about his accomplishments.

If Bush did run any companies into the ground and I truly believe that info is incorrect, at least he actually held down a job in a company. He didn't have to marry someone who had money.

[Access]

It's not just the countries anymore, it's the mega-corproporations. For instance Sempra Energy takes advantage of lax pollution and environmental laws in mexico and starts building 2 plants 5 miles south of the US/mexico border in order to avoid costs of compliance with the US laws. Many of those representatives got to the place where they are with big corporate money, and they'll stay where they are with big corporate money, and they know it, so they vote accordingly. Then there's Wall-mart, Haliburton, Petco, etc., see other threads for examples of abuses by these mega-corporations.

As for bush, he's the president of the US, so he's supposed to (in theory) represent the US people's interests over foreign interests. A good representative only stands for foreign interests in that those foreign interests benefit his own people (ie. a treaty of peace benefits both countries). That's part of a representative system of government, you look out for the interests of the people you represent above other things. The same way the Gov. of California isn't going to rate a neighboring state's interests above his own when making a decision. Sadly, with bush his judgement is so clouded by corporate money that he can't see the right thing to do here. If those treaties represent assurances made under Clinton, bush is probably just ignoring them anyways.

[FurryCritters]

Originally Posted by Sabriel

Hate to tell you that's a myth. Read about it here by one of your country's own newspapers.

So if the US can't even figure out who not to give visas to, how are they going to keep out terrorists with a simple passport?

If you all stoped having that attitude maybe those "wacko" countires wouldn't hate you so much. A little tolerence goes a long way. Instead of invading them, lend a helping hand and you will get the same results. Canada helps many failed and failing countries and the CN Tower is still intact. There is a reason everyone isn't out to get us. We don't have people like Bush in power. Our most heavy handed political leader wouldn't go to war because it would cost too much.

Sure, we should run right over to all those wacko countries that hate us, except when they want our hard earned tax dollars. I don't care if they hate us - just don't come here to live and don't ask us for our help.

It's your attitude that makes more than half this country hate foreigners.

[Access]

Originally Posted by Sabriel

If you all stoped having that attitude maybe those "wacko" countires wouldn't hate you so much. A little tolerence goes a long way. Instead of invading them, lend a helping hand and you will get the same results. Canada helps many failed

These countries aren't 'wacko', they're worse. Look at what is happening in Darfur, look at the situation of women in Saudi Arabia (in most arab countries, for that matter), look at Iraq's persecution of ethnic or religious minorities, Saddam gassing his own people, etc. These are countries ruled by bad, evil people (regimes), and they are best avoided... for business deals or otherwise. Of course, we don't need to invade them either... not unless they are a direct threat (contrast Afghanistan's Taliban with Iraq).

Most reasonable people agree that we need to break the cycle of reliance on evil regimes, but there are better ways to do this than destroying our own natural wildlife. Conservation goes a long way, half the oil we use today is wasted on things like oversized SUV's and incadescent light bulbs.

[Sabriel]

Sure, we should run right over to all those wacko countries that hate us

Why do they hate you in the first place? Because you prosper? Well Canada prospers, Europe prospers, China and Japan prosper. Why don't they hate them? It's the attitude. It's pretty bad when the people you cailm to help hate you. When Paul Martin goes to a country we liberated they welcome him with open arms becasue we didn't kill innocent people to do it.

A good representative only stands for foreign interests in that those foreign interests benefit his own people

A good representative knows that his people will benifit when everybody can coexist peacefully. He also represents those people to the rest of the world. If he comes off as rude and hateful then the world will see his people as rude and hateful. If he steps on thier toes without a care they will certainly step back, with force. If I was your neighbour and I dumped garbage in your lawn, or killed your animals if they crossed on to my side of the fence you wouldn't like me very much would you?

If Bush did run any companies into the ground and I truly believe that info is incorrect, at least he actually held down a job in a company.

Doesn't tell you much but read here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...litical_career It backs up what Michael Morre was getting at in his movies and books. Also points to an insider trading scandal.

Bush isn't well liked up here, but I do try to back up what I say. His policies have hurt Canadain/American realtions very much. You want to talk about 9/11? Why did it take him several years to thank us for taking in all of your people and aircraft when the baorders closed? Or the firefighters we sent? Or the food and clothing. Oh yeah, stupid me, because we didn't send money. That's why he didn't thank us till last year and why he used to oprotunity to push his little missile shield agenda. Of course we won't sign on. It dosen't even work yet.

And I get my info about who we let over the boarder from Canadain officials who can prove none of the 9/11 terrorists came through our boarder. Can you prove that they didn't have American visas?

[Sabriel]

So what is the US doing to help Dafur except ignore them? We are at least sending people to try to help. You can help without invading. It's called aid. Canada sends out aid all the time to other countries. It's all our military does. Heck we even offered to help you guys train police officers for Iraq. We just won't do it in Iraq as we belive it was illegal to wage war on them. You can spread human rights without war. That's what Canada does best.

Even your rich people think you aren't doing enough. Bill Gates is even cross with you.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by Roberta

Actually, more than half voted for Bush since he was re-elected.

That's why I said "about h