Customcage pics deleted:

[Capron09]

Sorry but I may have to go. Due to the mere fact that this site is completly ONE sided. If you do not 100% solely conform with the opinions and views of this site owner who bases her guidelines on testimonials of others you will get an infraction. I would love to see current pictures of Cavy Spirits rescue. The cages she uses, the ypes of bedding she uses, how many animals she has in one facility, etc.. She does not have any pictures of her set up on her site. I did when I had my rabbits? I showed my set up. I do not have room for a large cage. I do however have a cage that is plenty adequate for my boys. I asked where the standards were derived from and was told this:

"The standards have been set by the owner of this site through the testimonials of thousands of people who have built and used C&C cages. These are tried and true recommendations with experience to back up the benefit of the larger size. You are welcome to either ask about this on the board or PM the site owner, CavySpirit and have her explain it to you further."

Through thousands of people who use C&C cages! Well, I really hate to break it to you, but there is no such thing as a C&C cage. It is some name that has been made up by joining two products together. There are no cubes designed to be made into animal cages. These are cube storage shelving units. The C&C cages they are so called have many, many flaws in them. I do not believe the USDA or any other department that oversees animal welfare would recomend housing your animal inside something that is designed to store products. Now, if Cavy Spirit would like to get a pattent on her so called C&C cages then that would be a diffirent story.

Problem is that I had rescued a few guinea pigs who are wild and not domesticated. I am trying to domesticate them. So my guinea pigs may be diffirent from your guinea pigs. They may require a diffirent approach. It seems that cavy spirit only see inside the box and has a hard time seeing outside of it. I posted pictures of my cage which is a cutom cage and I am being warned about my photos and having them deleted because

"Perhaps you didn't realize but the photo gallery is reserved for pictures of appropriate C&C cages and accessories only. We do not allow pictures of Petstore, aquarium or custom built cages that do not meet the minimum requirements of this site. Or cages that are dangerous to an animal's well-being such as cages with wire bottoms. We also only allow pictures that show proper care.

I had to delete your cage photos you because the cage is not of appropriate size. Personal galleries are subject to the same rules as the main galleries.".

The gallery is not reserved for appropriate C&C cages only because there is an alternative cages section. All they had to do was move it to there. Also, another so called guideline that is not being followed on the site is this: PLEASE NOTE:
Proper size and SAFE! Your cage MUST provide a GROUND floor (or bottom level) space of at least 7.5 SQUARE FEET--REGARDLESS of upper levels provided. This main level must NOT be broken up with partitions, ramps or walls. Grids must have openings of no larger then 1.5 inches.

So I am a bit upset seeing all these pics with ramps on the main floors and partitions. If your gonna do it to me then you have to do it to everyone.

[fieryone]

Per the text of the PM that you posted, your photos weren't deleted because the cage is custom made. The text says that they were deleted because it was too small. There are many people who use a custom made cage that meets or exceeds the guideline and they are allowed to stay in the gallery as a means to show others how to build an adequate cage when cubes and/or coroplast can't be obtained.

The rest of your post is just a rant and I'm not going to feed into it. Good luck to you and your pigs who still deserve the same kind of care, domesticated or not.

[FlowersGrandma]

Capron,
You said your pigs were babies. When we got our pig Bambi, he was terribly active and skittish and young. Now he's older and very tame. Flower was never busy and was tame almost from day one, he was also a baby. I am wondering if it isn't just a case of you having three very young piggies that makes them seem so skittish, lots of holding, petting and floor time will probably change that in the next several months.

I can't answer to the other issues. Every forum on the internet has rules and I am not the one that created or is enforcing the ones here. But I do understand why there are such rules. When you lose interest in this forum say in a year, two, tomorrow, your images are still going to be in the gallery, if they aren't removed, because they broke the rules. Someone new like me, will come along see them and think your custom cage is safe and a good idea (and even you are having issues with it). So for that reason, I have to agree, if a cage isn't safe, it needs to be removed from the gallery, also if they are using unsafe food, hay, toys etc.

I have no idea who decided what size was appropriate and what size wasn't. But I will say some days I wonder if my 2x4 cage is large enough for two full grown pigs. It meets the minimum and also has a 1x4 upper for the food, yet when they get to chasing each other in play, it seems very small.

[Capron09]

noone asked you to feed into anything.

[brindyzoeycandy]

The C&C cages they are so called have many, many flaws in them.

What "flaws" do you so apparently see?

Your photo was deleted because your cage must've been too small according to the message you posted. You must've broken a rule, and you got an infraction.

Regardless if C&C cages are "a real thing" or not, they are ten times better than the cages that "are a real thing".

EDIT: Also, you come onto a forum titled Guinea Pig Cages that promotes the use of C&C cages, but to what? Complain about them?

[MaggieMae]

Where do you find non-domesticated guinea pigs in Florida?

I am not going to get into this battle, but I see twice now in this and another thread a comment about wild guinea pigs or non-domesticated guinea pigs.

I've heard of guinea pigs being abandoned outside by their owners but other than that I don't get it so I have to ask as I am curious what is meant by that.

And I have had photos deleted on here before also. If they don't meet the requirements felt safe or adequate they are deleted.

In the end they could say only blue cages are allowed and it would then have to be that way because it is their forum so their rules.

However, they do it because they want to promote what they feel is right or best. They do not want someone to link up to this website and see something they feel is too small because the person viewing the site might look at it and believe that is what the site is promoting.

As far as ramps and partitions. I believe they are allowed in photographs as long as they do not interfere with the overall minimum requirements.

If I partitioned off my 2x3 cage I am positive it would be deleted because it would not meet minimum requirements on either side.

Personally, I don't see your point about the cages. They could call them whatever they want and I would be fine with it. I think they are a great idea.

I own a pet store cage too. I see nothing any more or less safe about it. It is a plastic storage container with a wire lid. It is just a lot smaller.

Keep in mind, anyone can chose not to build these cages. Anyone can post their alternative cages. It is not about the cages. It is about the size of the cage which appears to be the problem.

It is probably better to clarify or get more details from a moderator as to why something has been removed, than to post something like this.

If you didn't agree with the rules for posting pictures than you shouldn't have posted them. If you didn't understand the rules, then drawing attention of others on here to complain about them isn't going to do you any good. What would have done some good would be to ask to have them explained by the person who deleted your pictures.

I never understood why people come here and post things like this attacking the site in general or saying harsh things to prove a point. In the end, what is fundamentally wrong with what the site believes in? Rescuing guinea pigs and providing them with bigger homes? The rest is all about rules. You chose to follow them when you post. If you don't follow the rules you get an infraction.

[CavySpirit]

Sorry but I may have to go. Due to the mere fact that this site is completly ONE sided. If you do not 100% solely conform with the opinions and views of this site owner who bases her guidelines on testimonials of others you will get an infraction. I would love to see current pictures of Cavy Spirits rescue. The cages she uses, the ypes of bedding she uses, how many animals she has in one facility, etc.. She does not have any pictures of her set up on her site. I did when I had my rabbits? I showed my set up. I do not have room for a large cage. I do however have a cage that is plenty adequate for my boys. I asked where the standards were derived from and was told this:

"The standards have been set by the owner of this site through the testimonials of thousands of people who have built and used C&C cages. These are tried and true recommendations with experience to back up the benefit of the larger size. You are welcome to either ask about this on the board or PM the site owner, CavySpirit and have her explain it to you further."

Through thousands of people who use C&C cages! Well, I really hate to break it to you, but there is no such thing as a C&C cage. It is some name that has been made up by joining two products together. There are no cubes designed to be made into animal cages. These are cube storage shelving units. The C&C cages they are so called have many, many flaws in them. I do not believe the USDA or any other department that oversees animal welfare would recomend housing your animal inside something that is designed to store products. Now, if Cavy Spirit would like to get a pattent on her so called C&C cages then that would be a diffirent story.

Problem is that I had rescued a few guinea pigs who are wild and not domesticated. I am trying to domesticate them. So my guinea pigs may be diffirent from your guinea pigs. They may require a diffirent approach. It seems that cavy spirit only see inside the box and has a hard time seeing outside of it. I posted pictures of my cage which is a cutom cage and I am being warned about my photos and having them deleted because

"Perhaps you didn't realize but the photo gallery is reserved for pictures of appropriate C&C cages and accessories only. We do not allow pictures of Petstore, aquarium or custom built cages that do not meet the minimum requirements of this site. Or cages that are dangerous to an animal's well-being such as cages with wire bottoms. We also only allow pictures that show proper care.

I had to delete your cage photos you because the cage is not of appropriate size. Personal galleries are subject to the same rules as the main galleries.".

The gallery is not reserved for appropriate C&C cages only because there is an alternative cages section. All they had to do was move it to there. Also, another so called guideline that is not being followed on the site is this: PLEASE NOTE:
Proper size and SAFE! Your cage MUST provide a GROUND floor (or bottom level) space of at least 7.5 SQUARE FEET--REGARDLESS of upper levels provided. This main level must NOT be broken up with partitions, ramps or walls. Grids must have openings of no larger then 1.5 inches.

So I am a bit upset seeing all these pics with ramps on the main floors and partitions. If your gonna do it to me then you have to do it to everyone.

You really are something. I do not base my guidelines on the testimonials of others. I base the CAGE SIZE requirements on my own direct personal experience over the years which have been born out thousands of times over by others.

There are a TON of photos on this site of MY cage setups. I started the site with a lot of photos of my own setup. Do I need to prove anything to you? Definitely not.

You hate to break it to me? ... Of course it's a "made up" name. ALL company and product names are "made up." It's a name that describes what it is. Good grief. Should I have called it a Murphy Cage? A Cavy Super Cage?

As far as patenting it, everyone is damn lucky that I didn't go to extreme lengths to try to 'protect' my idea and MAKE MONEY off of it. It would have defeated my purpose. I have always been ANIMALS FIRST. I wanted this EASY-TO-MAKE, DO-IT-YOURSELF cage to be adopted everywhere, giving the animals the space and environment that they need--although many others have capitalized and made money off of my ideas. Not to mention patenting a do-it-yourself item is nonsensical. I might have tried to trademark the C&C Cages name, but even that would have defeated my purpose.

Your misguided notions about the USDA are just too amusing to even comment upon.

As far as your 'unique, wild' guinea pigs, give me a break. You think you are dealing with something new that we have no experience with?

And, sorry but if your cage is too small, the photos are not allowed. Never have been, never will be. Get over it.

"Sorry but I may have to go." Don't let the cage door hit you on your way out.

[TwitterPopcorn]

Gotta love 'em CavySpirit.

[Capron09]

HAHHAHA! Apparently maybe you have no experience with wild guinea pigs? I dont know because to call them unique is laughable. It is what they are. They need to be domesticated. My guinea Pigs are wild guinea pigs as there parents were abandoned outside for YEARS and they had litter after litter after litter of babies. The babies were born and they were left outside. They werent in a cage. They were running loose in the yard, under porches and inside flower pots! So they are wild guinea pigs they sure are NOT domesticated. Welll according to YOUR moderator "The standards have been set by the owner of this site through the testimonials of thousands of people who have built and used C&C cages." I didnt say it she did. I asked and thats what I was told. I really dont care what you think about the space of my cage. No one can say that a 4 story guinea pig cage is not big enough for 4 guinea pigs. Period. It is FAR bigger than a pet store cage! Sorry we dont see eye to eye on how BIG a cage has to be but you would think as long as it was 3 x's bigger than a pet store cage there would not be a problem. aslong at the piggies were happy, healthy and playing. I dont believe in being conformed! Sorry! Give me the facts, give me the proof that a 2x ? cage is appropriate for x amount of piggies and then I will consider it. Show the research! you probably dont give someone who has any smaller of a cage the time of day to hear out a testimonial. Wait... change that from probably to definatly because I have testified that my piggies are happy and you say its not good enough! AND LET ME BE CLEAR... I had no idea that this site was solely in the made up c&c cages. You didnt make this up! haha haha hahah! You were just another person to bring out the uses for storage cubes! Yes, I made up wild cavies too!

[lissie]

Just out of curiosity, what was the size of the cage that got deleted?
Have you seen this article? Guinea Pig Housing : The Humane Society of the United States

[TwitterPopcorn]

Everyone can have their own opinions in this country. Those of us who are members of this site believes in CavySpirit and what this site brings to the world of cavy ownership. We are in a free world and if you don't agree with how this site is being run.

PLEASE LEAVE and don't let the cage door smack your _ _ _ (behind) too hard.

We don't need more drama queens. There are other websites out there you can converse on.

[Shauna&Kerri]

Just out of curiosity, what was the size of the cage that got deleted?

I was wondering the same thing.

[brindyzoeycandy]

Your cage can be ten stories and still be too small. What matters is the ground space, not how many levels the pigs have. Those are just an added plus.

Oh, you had NO idea that this site was about C&C cages? I thought maybe the name would've helped you out with what this site was about. It did for me.

[Capron09]

The cage was a 4 story cage. It was set up in a zig zag pattern. It was approx.
16-18 SF the base was a 2x2 then went up to a 2nd floor, 3rd floor and 4th floor. They act like the cage was some cracker box.

That you are correct on. We all have our opinions and untill there is solid proof showing that a 2 x ? cage for ? Guinea pigs shoudl be that way then I have no reason to build a cage to those standards. You want to take my pictures down fine.

Last I checked you did not have to agree with everything that Cavy Spirit does to participate in this forum. That was last I checked. Maybe it has changed now.

[Capron09]

The name? What name? The name is Guinea Pig Cages. What does that say about C&C Cages?

[lissie]

I found the pics as an attachment in the other thread. (boys don't like ramp)
Looks like it's only 2x2 on the first level. No wonder it's so hard to clean and the ramps are also too steep.

[Capron09]

I dont think the ramps are too settp Lissie. All the cages go from ground floor to the next cube up. Are you saying all ramps are too steep then or just my ramps. My ramps are made the same as everyone else except they are a tad less steep because they go up through a hole in the cage vs the edge of the cube. I am in the process of tearing down the cage anyway but everyone wants to make a big deal out if it.

[Capron09]

steep..oops

[MaggieMae]

Why is a C&C cage any more or less made up that yours is? Even more important, why does it matter?

They ARE made up. The point isn't about who made them up, it is to get the idea out there.

I guess it depends on what you consider "wild" also. Someone dumps their domesticated guinea pig outside and it has babies. I feel this is unfortunate, and just another example of why we need more active shelters for them. However, it isn't like domesticating a wolf or a bear.

If we sat here and only wanted the "friendly" ones that don't hide and like to be cuddled do you know how many would die?

High five for working with some shy guinea pigs. I really do applaud that. However your guinea pigs are probably how guinea pigs are supposed to be. They are prey animals. They are skittish. If that isn't what people want, then maybe they aren't the right animals for them. I ended up with a friendly one and one that is afraid of everything and anything. One was abandoned and one was from a pet store. They are both on about equal playing fields now in less than a year of being together.

They put cage sizes in for reasons. A 4 story cage is big vertically but not always horizontally. For example a two foot by two foot wide by 6 foot tall cage is great if they move vertically ( but they don't). A guinea pig needs so much room to run a circle obstacle free. That is the reason for the cage requirements. Mine could not run a lap, as I have seen them do alone in their cages before they were introduced, in a 2x3 with one hiding spot and another pig. Either the other pig or the hiding spot got in the way.

If this bothers you so much go promote what you feel is right. Why sit here and tell people here what they promote is wrong? You obviously don't want change because you have ruined your reputation here by insulting us so what really is your objective at this point other than to throw a temper tantrum because your cage, which is quite possibly a beautiful and well build cage, is not allowed because it does not match up with what many people here believe to be big enough?

[brindyzoeycandy]

Your ramp is a bit too steep (I just looked at the other thread).

Upper levels don't count for square footage. They should be able to run and popcorn on the first level. Are you saying you have four pigs in a cage that doesn't even meet requirements for one? It's great that they have four levels, BUT they have to have ground space, too, something which they don't have.