Breeding: BREEDER trying to sell a Male Skinny Pig in Connecticut

[Cornish Cavies]

Originally Posted by catalineh06

I completely agree with you. I have seen docking and cropping performed at my vet office and I think it is barbaric and disgusting. Its really something I wish I could forget. In fact when we got our dog about 10 years ago ( I was about 11) I refused to allow them to dock her tail haha. Sadly she was from a breeder but we have since changed our ways .

Dont wish to go off topic, but thats why I am so glad docking and cropping are banned here

[Adorable]

Originally Posted by vicky2

Why would you defend someone that lied to YOU is beyond me.

I never defended this person’s actions. But, two wrongs don’t make a right and if you aren’t even allowed to post your email address or age here, isn’t it wrong to direct members to those things?

As I said above it could have been handled simply and effectively with a more professional approach.

[fieryone]

Originally Posted by Adorable

As I said above it could have been handled simply and effectively with a more professional approach.

When someone does the very thing that you are working so hard to educate people against and they then come into your house, so to speak, and lie to you with some outrageous, long and well thought out line of flat out BS, all bets are off. I'm sorry but there is no need for niceties at that point.

If someone comes into my home and pretends to be something they're not to get on my good side and then slaps me in the face do you think I'm going to smile sweetly and say, "that wasn't very nice"? Really? To me this is the same sort of thing. The mods here are very passionate about what they do and about the message of this site.

[Paula]

Originally Posted by Adorable

...and if you aren’t even allowed to post your email address or age here, isn’t it wrong to direct members to those things?

What is it you want, Adorable? If VJ hadn't provided enough information so that members could find the truth for themselves, I can assure you YOU would have been the first one piping up to say that we most certainly can't take a lowly moderator's word for it and demanded proof. So VJ found a way to direct members to the actual sites without providing any information that was personal. You seem to forget (or purposely overlook) that this person has this information in various places other than in her personal exotic breeding web page. Which suggests she wants it to be found, or at least has no problem with it being readily available.

Now, to answer your question. Well, no. Minors aren't allowed to post their age and members aren't allowed to post their email addresses to protect members who might not know better. In the case of this breeder, she chose to come here and lie, chose to fabricate an elaborate story about taking in two pigs that, unbeknownst to her, were pregnant. She deliberately chose to post daily updates about how very worried she was about the well being of these pigs and deliberately lied about having no idea when they might give birth. She did all of these things with forethought, and probably malice, and she did so on an anti-breeding forum. Once her lies became known, they were exposed for what they were. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Adorable

As I said above it could have been handled simply and effectively with a more professional approach.

I think it's fair to say that no matter what, the moderators here are never going to live up to Adorable's Standards of Professionalism Whilst Moderating a Forum. Be that as it may, it's probably in your best interest that you stop expecting us to and preaching about it every time you find the opportunity. You know, since you're harping on the effectiveness of handling these situations.

[Fudgenrolo]

I've been away - I've only just seen this. How sad.

I too was thoroughly fooled and I've seen many an internet 'cheater' including similar people who have claimed to have accidental litters when they bred them intentionally but I think this is easily the worst made-up scenario I have seen so far as it was so in-depth etc. I find it quite disturbing overall.

Thank you so much Voodoojoint for discovering the truth.

[blackarrow]

Originally Posted by Paula

What is it you want, Adorable? If VJ hadn't provided enough information so that members could find the truth for themselves, I can assure you YOU would have been the first one piping up to say that we most certainly can't take a lowly moderator's word for it and demanded proof.

Actually, Adorable already did complain about the lack of information given - while simultaneously complaining about there being too much information given!

"all I'm seeing is one person's accusations. . . "

"I didn't see anything but a bunch of vague hints and finger pointing. . . "

"I found the site by your clues. . . "

Let's not forget, this was not VJ pointing people to personal information that the OP didn't want given out. VJ gave enough information so that interested people could find the OP's COMMERCIAL WEB SITE, which the OP had posted with the intent that it be seen by people interested in guinea pigs. That's not problematic in the least.

[Paula]

Originally Posted by blackarrow

Actually, Adorable already did complain about the lack of information given - while simultaneously complaining about there being too much information given!

Which is why I'd love for her to clarify what exactly it is that she wants and/or expects.

[CavySpirit]

I do not want any more conversation about this thread with Adorable or about Adorable or from Adorable as to VJ's comments. One more time and Adorable will not posting in the Kitchen at all. It's not about her and I cannot tolerate the defense of the indefensible just for the sake of drama.

[suzilovespiggie]

WOW am I blown away!! I saw crazys name banned and thought What???? Then reading on I was just floored. I followed that thread worried sick over that hugely pregnant Hippo, just knowing a piggie that huge would surely run into problems. My grand daughter and I were in the chat room that Sunday afternoon going back and forth to see the pictures of the newborns and to make sure Momma was ok. Then followed faithfully again to make sure the second momma was safe with her babies.

Then to find out she bred them both on purpose, put both of those mommas thur that on purpose!!! I am just sick and so very disgusted. I am not telling my grand daughter. We talked about her adopting them both, giving them good homes, finding homes for the babies, being responsiable. And its all a sham. Wow, I really am upset over this.

Thank you VJ, for finding out the truth. Exposing her. Too bad she can't be banned from all sites so she will have no one to sell her and put her out of buisness forever.
Poor, poor piggies.

[fridzalone]

To be honest, i don't really understand why all of you people hate breeders so much. I've seen videos of breeders (any breeders, chicken, pork, cow, etc) from abroad, and yes i agree they are very cruel. Thank God, breeders in my country still have heart and don't do cruelty things the herds.

If you allowed me. I would like to explain how the condition of breeders in my country. Breeders in my country are usually poor, breeding is the only way they can survive. By selling rabbits and guinea pigs very cheap, they helps another poor families near them by supplying rabbits and guinea pigs so they can sells it. And those poor families sells those rabbits and guinea pigs very cheap, mostly under $15 for rabbits each and under $5 for guinea pigs each (they even sells american pig for $1 each). Most of those families hanging their life from those money. Some of their children don't go to school, because they can't afford it. My mother told me that she had friend who is a chicken breeder. And her friend told her that it's difficult breeding chicken, because chicken easily died if they get stressed. That's why her friend had too take good care of the chicken, keeping them from stressful things. Each of the chickens are very precious, because if lots of them died, her family can't afford food for themselves.


I believe that most of you don't get what i'm trying to explain here, because you don't see the reality that happened in my country. It's normal and I can understand that.

I'm not pro breeding things, and not pro with the thread starter which is clearly a breeder. I believe whoever she is, she can get a better job than breeding those poor piggies. My point is, we can't just judge that someone is bad or not, because not all of them do that for the same reason. I believe you judge that breeding are bad because you saw they did bad things to the animal, and I'm totally agree with that. I'm pro PETA, but I won't just blindly follow anything they did because they said so. Well, I used to...but not after someone told me "What will you do if your mom or your children get sick and the only medicine that can save her is medicine that tested on animal, will you let her die or use it?". But killing animal in a cruelty way just to get KFC? I would say no.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, i just share what I think I need to share, different condition from what you've experienced which I experienced. No offense to everyone in here.

Sorry If i'm out of topic.

[Paula]

Originally Posted by fridzalone

To be honest, i don't really understand why all of you people hate breeders so much.

We really don't hate breeders as a lot. We hate what they're doing - which is intentionally creating more lives so that they may profit when there are already so many that are homeless and in need.

Originally Posted by fridzalone

I believe that most of you don't get what i'm trying to explain here, because you don't see the reality that happened in my country. It's normal and I can understand that.

Everyone has to make a living, and everyone has to eat. If a person in an
impoverished country is raising animals to sell as food because supplies and resources are very limited, that's one thing. If they are breeding animals to sell as pets or for show, that's another entirely.

Originally Posted by fridzalone

I'm not pro breeding things, and not pro with the thread starter which is clearly a breeder. I believe whoever she is, she can get a better job than breeding those poor piggies. My point is, we can't just judge that someone is bad or not, because not all of them do that for the same reason.

You're right here. In the case of this breeder, though, she runs an exotic breeding "business" and she lives in a land of abundance and wealth. There most certainly are plenty of other ways for her to make money in this country, perhaps unlike in yours. And there is no excuse for that - it's lazy and it's cruel. She's putting unnecessary stress on her female animals and putting more lives into the world when so many are already suffering because of choices people like her have made. There's no excuse for that.

[crazywiggy]

Just my 2 cents:

Fridzalone - I totally understand your point, but as Paula has pointed out that isn't the sort of breeding being discussed here. We are talking about people with every opportunity to be both wealthy and ethical, who are choosing to cause extensive animal suffering and death for profit or fun.

As for the breeder in question - I am disgusted. It sounds like she is running a small animal breeding mill, and she clearly doesn't give two hoots about her animals, or the others that are left homeless because of her actions. As if this was not bad enough, she has then gone on to lie and deceive, pretend to be something she is not, and deliberately dupe the members of a pro-rescue, anti-breeding forum. Clearly she has no more respect for her fellow humans than she does for her animals.

Normally I would agree that aggressive outbursts are unnecessary and counterproductive - but in this case I think the response this breeder got was perfectly justified. I know if someone was doing something I disagree with, then lied to me about it trying to get their hands on my money in order to continue abusing animals for profit I would lose my temper.

Why anyone would want to defend such a dishonest, pathetic, disrespectful and heartless individual is beyond me.

[fridzalone]

Originally Posted by crazywiggy

Just my 2 cents:

As for the breeder in question - I am disgusted. It sounds like she is running a small animal breeding mill, and she clearly doesn't give two hoots about her animals, or the others that are left homeless because of her actions. As if this was not bad enough, she has then gone on to lie and deceive, pretend to be something she is not, and deliberately dupe the members of a pro-rescue, anti-breeding forum. Clearly she has no more respect for her fellow humans than she does for her animals.

Why anyone would want to defend such a dishonest, pathetic, disrespectful and heartless individual is beyond me.

I believe that what you mean in this breeder is the thread starter. I'm totally agree with you. She clearly stated in the thread title itself as a BREEDER. And yes, we don't need to defend such that breeder. I don't mind if she's trying to sell those piggies (even that's bad, but i can tolerate that), but at least not here. Find some another place that allow breeder to sell breeding. Just...keep away from us. Shooo...

[Ly&Pigs]

Originally Posted by fridzalone

She clearly stated in the thread title itself as a BREEDER.

I believe the title was changed/edited later by VJ when she exposed this breeder.

Your discussion was off topic to this thread. It would have better been served as it's own thread.

[MapleOwl18]

Its just sad. I was checking these skinny pregnancy threads pretty frequently through email updates, and then it turns out she purposely bred those pigs. She even posts a pic asking for a small adoption fee that says Male Number 1, on a explicitly pro-rescue forum. I mean its all over the place. If you are breeding the piggies to sell at least don't try to sell them on an explicitly anti-breeding forum.

What a sleazy, dishonest, lying, confused, troubled person, and I'm angry at myself for not realizing it earlier. Totally with you VoodooJoint.

Yuck.

[fridzalone]

Originally Posted by Ly&Pigs

I believe the title was changed/edited later by VJ when she exposed this breeder.

Your discussion was off topic to this thread. It would have better been served as it's own thread.

I'm sorry if I'm out of topic.

This is just a share, but if you or someone else thinking it's necessary for me to need to make new thread about it, i'll make it.

[Paula]

Originally Posted by fridzalone

This is just a share, but if you or someone else thinking it's necessary for me to need to make new thread about it, i'll make it.

If you want to start a new thread to talk about the differences of breeding animals for the selfish reasons this breeder is doing it versus those that do it in countries like yours so that they might stay alive, go ahead. But I think it's been covered and I don't see a reason to start a new discussion on it, unless of course you want to. I think your post made a good point and served as a good reminder that not every country is the same.