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**AngelsCavies** · #21 02-18-05, 08:31 pm

sorry ruby.

**Susan9608** · #22 02-18-05, 08:50 pm

I went to that site and read that posting ... it's really pathetic. I posted a reply to that individual, but all I got in return was that she wasn't willing to listen and that she's going to "let" her guinea pigs have 1 litter, and then get them fixed. <sigh> Maybe when she has 15 or 20 guinea pigs on her hands from all the babies breeding with each other and their mom, she'll see the light. But then, she might think that's fun ... ignorance must be bliss.

**CavySpirit** · #23 02-18-05, 10:06 pm

Good point. If she is going to 'let' her breed, what about all the subsequent litters and litters of litters. If she's supposedly keeping the babies, by her own standards, she should be letting them ALL have 'one' litter.

When does it stop?

Another brilliant breeder and intellectual giant.

**Katie** · #24 02-19-05, 05:41 am

I woke up this morning with a message on my answering machine that said

" Hi, I found your ad hanging in the pet store. I brought my cavies there to see if they wanted them but they said no. I have 8 that I need to get rid of, I don't have the room. I just wanted my female to have one litter, but I had no idea she'd have 6! I have no room in my house for that many guinea pigs. If you can take them please call me back."

I will call her back, but I can't take them. I don't have room.

**CavyKind** · #25 02-19-05, 06:01 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katie

I woke up this morning with a message on my answering machine that said

" Hi, I found your ad hanging in the pet store. I brought my cavies there to see if they wanted them but they said no. I have 8 that I need to get rid of, I don't have the room. I just wanted my female to have one litter, but I had no idea she'd have 6! I have no room in my house for that many guinea pigs. If you can take them please call me back."

I will call her back, but I can't take them. I don't have room.

Don't you just love the term "get rid of" I just cringe when people say that.

Where are you Katie? Are you in the UK? Maybe there are some local rescues that help these guineas? Please update us...hope you can work something out.

**Piglet** · #26 02-19-05, 06:47 am

Me too, I hope everything works out for those poor pigs. I think katie may be from the US

**Susan9608** · #27 02-19-05, 10:49 am

Here's something funny. The moderator of that other website .... Small Pet Central ... said this in response to everyone's comments against breeding guinea pigs; "Emylee is a valued member of this forum (as you ALL are), her decision to breed is entirly hers. She is seeking advice, showing great maturity, and if you don't believe in breeding then we will have to agree to disagree. "
I guess some people have a different definition of the word "maturity."

**rabbitsncavyluv** · #28 02-19-05, 11:03 am

6 babies? That poor sow.

**Katie** · #29 02-19-05, 11:10 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabbitsncavyluv

6 babies? That poor sow.

Yes, she has 6. They are only 1 week old and she already wants to dump them!
I told her I will help her sex them, but I can't take them. I directed her towards some places to put ads up.

**DocDolittle** · #30 02-19-05, 12:28 pm

I would rather jump off a bridge then get involved in that conversation. I would be way too much of a hot-head. She states that the animal is left unfulfilled without having a litter in life. Please. Will they feel more fulfilled when they're dead with four dead babies and one without a mother? Huh, sounds like fun to me.*sarcasm* That girl seems like a complete moron with all of the wrong information. And the board's administrator doesn't seem too intelligent either.

**Piglet** · #31 02-19-05, 01:39 pm

She isn't. I know the mod. from another forum, pets hub. She doesn't mind breeding as long as its done responsibly. Pttf

**Susan9608** · #32 02-19-05, 05:24 pm

She definitely is not. I got a private message from her saying that I've been bullying the other members, purposely trying to cause trouble, and am in high danger of being banned (like that would be a tragedy). She told me that there are no backyard breeders on their forum.

Isn't a backyard breeder just someone who breeds their pigs at home? Non-show, non-purebred pigs?

I figure if I'm going to be banned, I should do it in a big blowout, but I want to have the correct information, including a definition of "backyard breeders".

**CavySpirit** · #33 02-19-05, 06:29 pm

Yes, just breeds to breed. They are not so-called pure-breds. They don't show, they are not breeding to 'improve the breed.' Just to have babies.

Ask her what her definition of backyard breeder is. That ought to one for the entertainment archives.

**Susan9608** · #34 02-19-05, 08:56 pm

I asked - we'll see what they say. I think that'll sign my "ban warrant", though, so we may never find out.

**Susan9608** · #35 02-19-05, 09:01 pm

All I got was, "You were asked to leave this issue alone."

Some people love to live in denial.

**Ly&Pigs** · #36 02-19-05, 10:59 pm

You all made some very wonderful points. It's just really too bad this person is NOT willing to listen more. She kept saying "I don't breed rescues". Well, that's good but if she isn't breeding rescues, she is breeding some other pig she either got from a breeder or from a pet store or intends to breed.

I have been thinking lately about the whole pet overpopulation issue. I think if people would just stop breeding intentionally period, the breeds will all still survive through accidental pregnancies, because I feel there will always be accidents. I may be wrong on that but it's my own personal thoughts and opinions.

The first thing a person should do if they aren't familiar with the habits, diet, housing, needs of a species they previously knew very little to nothing about is to learn everything you can and find out all the facts, instead of just going out one day and getting a mixed pair of pigs because they want to breed. Maybe if they learned that there are too many in rescues and shelters and how many hundreds of pigs went into shelters/rescues/foster homes because of incidents like "Hollister" and learned that so many pregnancies/births can and do go wrong and so many sows and pups lose their lives then maybe they wouldn't be so "wanting" to breed pigs.

I guess I am starting to ramble now in my extreme tiredness. There are just some people that will NEVER get it through their head that no matter the circumstances, no matter the reasons, that it's NOT ok to breed any animal.

**Ly&Pigs** · #37 02-19-05, 11:14 pm

I thought I would add this. This is their definition of troll.

A "troll" is a person who delights in creating havoc on the forums. S/he tries to start arguments and upset people. A classic troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, is argumentative with a "my way or the highway" attitude, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harrasing forum members, and/or ignoring warnings from forum moderators.

A troll is a person who posts outrageous messages to bait people into answering. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it (don't feed the trolls), or to report a message to a moderator. Anyone fitting this description will receive no warning, but will be immediately removed from the forum.

Makes me wonder if we here at CC are all Trolls on their forum!

Forgot to add that I have joined over there as well.

**Ly&Pigs** · #38 02-19-05, 11:17 pm

Here is their view on breeding too:
While we do not disaprove of breeding and pet shop animals, we do suggest you are a responsible breeder, do not over breed your pets, and if you are breeding ensure you have found good homes or plan to keep the young before you breed.

it is due to overbreeding and mainly irresponsible owners that rescues are overrun,
please consider before you breed.

That is really some kind of contradictory statement if you ask me.

**Ly&Pigs** · #39 02-20-05, 12:31 am

One more thing and I will shut up for tonight on this.
For those with memberships to SPC, go to this link and cast your vote on whether you think the breeding debate should be held or not. I am not telling anyone how to vote only letting you know that you need to vote.

http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/viewtop...mforum=binkies

**ChadWPB** · #40 02-20-05, 07:16 pm

OK, I appreciate all the anti-breeding messages that were posted on that forum. However, in the future, we MUST stick to the issues and not engage in flaming, ad-hominem attacks.

I sent the PM that allowed for a re-opening of discussion about breeding.

I run a forum for an online text-based war game, so I like to think of this as sort of a war. One does not charge aimlessly into the enemy, one uses strategy to intelligently plan an attack that minimizes holes in the defense and maximizes our chance of winning!

Forgive the war analogy, but my point is, debate the issue, debate intelligently and give 'em hell.