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**fieryone** · #41 08-19-09, 06:19 pm

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Originally Posted by crazywiggy

Maybe I have no right to comment not being a sports fan in the slightest, and being a UKer, but here's my two cents....

Pro sportsmen make a living doing a job they love - which is true for very few people. They get fame, publicity, popularity to the point of hero-worship, even various medals and honours - not to mention the vast salaries they demand.

What Vick did was abhorant - this wasn't a case of causing suffering through ignorance, or a one off "sorry, lost my temper". This was systematic abuse and murder. He knew it was cruel. He knew it was illegal. He didn't care, he did it anyway.

His sentence was pitiful - certainly not "justice" for the severity of the crime.

And his reward for his disgusting criminal behaviour is a high profile, high salary contract with a top team.

Sorry to me that is just wrong.

I understand that all convicted criminals need to go out and get jobs after serving their sentence, and rightly so, but why should he get such a fantastic job with all the perks?

Maybe in the future - after finding himself "blacklisted" for a year or two - someone could have given him a second chance. I just think the attitude of "welcome back from jail Mr Vick, here have the contract of a lifetime, congratulations".

Just wanted to add - like it or not celebrities, whether musicians, sports players or whatever ARE rolemodels to young people. I think this incident will only go to prove that crimes like Vick's don't really matter. Nobody really cares. I wonder how many kids will think - "well if its ok for him to do it, and its cool because he does it, then its good enough for me too".

Thank you. You said what I was trying to and apparently failing miserably at.

**AnimalHouse36** · #42 08-19-09, 08:37 pm

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Originally Posted by fieryone

I understand what you're saying and I know that those who don't eat meat for animal rights reasons are very passionate about their stance. I find it admirable. But I think that dogs left to violently maul each other to death is a completely different thing than rendering a cow unconscious prior to slaughtering. Yes, in both cases animals die. However I think one is far less humane than the other. Also, I'm not saying that it's right or that I agree with it, but the general population does view companion animals and livestock very differently.

I also agree with Diane that to kill for sport and to kill for food aren't the same. I abhor hunting, but if someone brings the deer home and uses it all then I have less of a problem with it than if he brings it to a taxidermist and keeps it as a trophy.

Sadly you are sorely mistaken if you belevies that cows and pigs are humanly murdered.

Cows are hung upside down and there throats are slit in an assembly line. Many times the cows are still fully concious as they are "killed piece by piece".Chickens are many times boiled alive.

I see no difference in torturing for taste (because the taste PLEASES you) and murdering for entertainment. Each time beautiful innocent beings are wasted purely for pleasure.

**blackarrow** · #43 08-19-09, 08:47 pm

What you discuss is not standard for the beef industry, but I'm guessing you know that.

**AnimalHouse36** · #44 08-19-09, 10:18 pm

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Originally Posted by blackarrow

What you discuss is not standard for the beef industry, but I'm guessing you know that.

Are you saying that this does not happen worldwide everyday?
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**blackarrow** · #45 08-19-09, 11:49 pm

I have no intention of reviewing your links. I'm absolutely sure that there are animals who are abused in all sorts of ways, including in some slaughterhouses. Nevertheless you are being misleading with your propaganda when you suggest that it is the standard for cattle not to be unconscious at the time of death in American slaughterhouses. I'm not interested in participating in this thread getting sidetracked into the pros and cons of the vegetarian cause beyond correcting the impression you're trying to leave.

**Wheekie** · #46 08-20-09, 02:18 am

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Originally Posted by blackarrow

I have no intention of reviewing your links. I'm absolutely sure that there are animals who are abused in all sorts of ways, including in some slaughterhouses. Nevertheless you are being misleading with your propaganda when you suggest that it is the standard for cattle not to be unconscious at the time of death in American slaughterhouses. I'm not interested in participating in this thread getting sidetracked into the pros and cons of the vegetarian cause beyond correcting the impression you're trying to leave.

Afraid of seeing the truth?!

**blackarrow** · #47 08-20-09, 06:37 am

Not interested in participating in a threadjacking.

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