Cavy & Dog

[Snipzig]

I got ALL of the quiz questions right.I love Cocoa and we HAVe gone to the vet once after 1 pup.This valentines day 3 years ago I bought her,and I am always going to love her.These 2 are 2 of the pups in her first litter ,they little one yawning would have died if I wasn't responsible.My mother is a nurse,we have 2 vets ready,my mother has had many poodles growing up and a few have had puppies,Cocoa is the most gentle loving dog,whenever my guinea pigs weet she runs over to see if they are ok.We do not breed her for money .The 1 that died ,only died because of a jaw problem and we think he had a hole in his lungs ,we bottle fed him for 2 days and cocoa tried to take great care of him,she ran to my mother and took her to the pup.If any of the pups have problems that we can help we try to do everything we can,we have only had to treat 2 pups and only 1 has died.We always try to have the puppy get its loving home and so it can live to be sleepy at the end of the day.

[Snipzig]

This is Buttons a pup that grew to be huge and healthy and lives in a healthy home.

[Susan9608]

Snipzip - just a note, some thoughts, and some facts ....

"In a perfect world, animals would be free to live their lives to the fullest: raising their young, enjoying their native environments, and following their natural instincts. However, domesticated dogs and cats cannot survive "free" in our concrete jungles, so we must take as good care of them as possible. People with the time, money, love, and patience to make a lifetime commitment to an animal can make an enormous difference by adopting from shelters or rescuing animals from a perilous life on the street. But it is also important to stop manufacturing "pets," thereby perpetuating a class of animals forced to rely on humans to survive. " Manufacturing pets is all you're doing by purposely breeding your dog ... manufacturing pets that rely on humans to survive.

"Approximately 2,500 kittens and puppies are born each hour in the U.S.--70,000 each day. One unspayed dog can lead to 28,244 puppies in nine years. One unspayed cat can lead to 14 million kittens in nine years!" How nice of you to want to purposely create *more* animals.

"More than 70 percent of people who acquire animals end up giving them away, abandoning them, or taking them to shelters(1), which receive about 27 million animals annually. More than half-- about 17 million--must be destroyed for lack of homes.(2) Most are under 18 months of age, and 90 percent are healthy and adoptable." You may want to think about this fact as you boast about the homes you have found for your unborn, unconceived puppies.

"In light of these tragic statistics, no breeding can be considered "responsible." Those who breed animals for profit and individuals who let their dog or cat have "just one litter," however well-intentioned they may be, contribute to the severe dog and cat overpopulation crisis. Every newborn puppy or kitten means one less home for a dog or cat desperately waiting in a shelter or roaming the streets." I'm guessing you don't care much about these other animals, given your obstinate desire to create more animals. Are you heartless or ignorant?

"Purebred breeding (breeding animals to have certain appearances or traits) has caused a wide range of health defects in animals. For example, "flat-faced" dogs, like bulldogs or Boston terriers, experience respiratory difficulties due to shorter breathing passages; bloodhounds and Shar Peis are prone to skin infections from excessively wrinkled skin(3); other dogs suffer from epileptic seizures, hip dysplasia, painful back problems--the list goes on--as a result of human manipulation.(4)" It certainly seems that the life of a purebred dog is fun and games ... perhaps this fact will help you see the problems of breeding.

"Sadly, while breeders "custom-design" millions of dogs and cats each year, millions of equally deserving dogs and cats languish in shelters. About 25 percent of animals euthanized by shelters are purebreds.(5)" Think about this, as you send your purebred puppies off to their new homes.

See http://www.helpinganimals.com/Factsh...play.asp?ID=29 for more information.

[Susan9608]

Snipzig - please indulge me in another thought

You mentioned that there is a human overpopulation problem, as well as a non-human animal overpopulation problem. I have to concede that you are correct in that there is a human overpopulation problem, but I cannot begin to fathom how, exactly, you think that these two issues are linked. However, I have a response.

Unlike non-human animals, human beings have the ability to think, to weigh the benefits of a situation against the consequences, to be rational, and to respond to situations with logic. Non-human animals rely purely on instinct, while human beings can rely on knowledge, reason, and logic. Thus, the two overpopulation problems are completely different in their origins.

Whereas non-human animals have had their copulation, procreation, and very genetics manipulated and altered by HUMANS rather than nature, human beings control their own copulation, procreation, and to some extent, genetics. No one throws an ovulating woman in the room with an unknown horny man, hoping that they will engage in sexual intercourse to produce human offspring. But that is the very thing that human beings do with non-human animals.

Human beings have the ability to think before they act ... to consider their situation and all it's possibilities before they act. Now, whether or not human beings make the most of this unique ability is debateable, but the fact remains that human beings CAN do this, where other species cannot.

So who's fault is it that there is a non-human animal population problem? It's the fault of human beings for purposely creating more animals when we know there are already more animals than there are good homes.

And who's fault is it that there is a *human* population problem? It's the fault of human beings .... for purposely choosing not to use birth control or choosing to have more children than they can provide for .... for choosing to engage in the sexual act that creates children ... for *choosing* to do these things with a total disregard for the human population explosion.

The fundamental difference is also the underlying similarity - humans control the animal population .... and humans control the human population.

I love irony.

[CavySpirit]

Snipzig is clueless and hopeless. She thinks she answered the quiz right. Susan, your thoughts are wasted on her. But hopefully others will read them and comprehend. I believe it was spoonyspork who brought up the human overpopulation analogy.

[Snipzig]

I am not paying attention to any of the posts any longer,you all are rude and mean

[Susan9608]

The truth hurts, Snipzip ... besides, I'd rather be "rude and mean" than heartless, irresponsible, and immature.

Have a lovely day.

[dansamy]

I have been neither rude nor mean. It is glaringly obvious from your posts that you are quite young and the maturity of your thought process hasn't progressed to the point that you recognize the illogic in breeding your dog for a third time. I was once young and irresponsible myself. Decisions I made in those days haunt me now. I do not wish the same for you.

[Snipzig]

Thank you all,but I have my own opinion

[Susan9608]

I guess the old proverb is true, then .... "[font=Arial]You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think."[/font]

[LiciaMommycott]

Originally Posted by Snipzig

I got ALL of the quiz questions right.

What??????? You display your profound ignorance if you think that the quiz was a test of your knowledge, a list of questions that you could get "right." That said, there is no reason for me to continue because it is clear that you wouldn't have the mental capacity to understand anyway. Normally I don't flame people in forums but in this case, I'm happy to make an exception.

[DocDolittle]

I have a purebred yellow lab that we got from a breeder over five years ago, and I didn't know any better about shelters and rescues and I would do anything to rescue another animal now. You metnion purebreds over and over, ever consider a mutt? Did you know that mutts have less health problems than purebreds? Well, if not, let me tell you a little story: My yellow lab, Lucy, came to my family in a perfectly healthy condition. She's the most darling girl ever, and I love her dearly. She remained healthy until she hit three years. First, she pulled her knee out. We had to get her an artificial one. The surgery costed 1,000 doollars. Six months later, her other knee got popped out of the socket. Another 1,000 dollars. She has had mutliple joints problems and has weak bones. Right now she is recovering from a broken toe. She was purebred, so purebred that all of the breeders abs mated with each other, causing unhealthy genetic lines. Most purebred animals, especially the popular ones like labs and goldens, have suffered from inbreeding, causing many degenerative diseases. Over all, in vet costs, after Lucy's surgeries, vet check-ups, and over-night stays, we have payed over 4,000 dollars. She is only 5 years old. If you don't get the picture of what breeding is doing to your beloved pets after all of these stories, than I really don't understand what you see in breeding.
(I know this post sounds a little akward, but it's late, I went to bed at 2:00 A.M., woke up at 5:00 for a speech meet, and I didn't quite know how to put it, but you get the jist, right?)

[misspigglie]

Hi, I just wanted to say that alot of people seem to think that a female dog will be a better dog if it has at least 1 litter. I even heard people talking about breeding their dog so she will turn out better. There definitely needs to be some educating in this aspect. When I was a kid, if a dog or cat that we bought had diarrhea or started vomitting, or barked too much, we took it to the pound. We learned that pets were disposable. If they didn't work out, we could always get rid of them. It has taken me a long time to get this out of my thinking, and to work through any little problems that might come up. I am teaching my children that a pet is someone you love and care for and keep safe. They help me with my piggie rescue, and we care for any strays (dog/cat) that come into our yard. I am teaching them about animal cruelty and how to prevent it, and about animal overpopulation. Puppies are sooo sweet, but you need to realize what you are doing by breeding them. Please, do the decent thing and spay your dog. Shelter animals everywhere will thank you.

[VoodooJoint]

Teresa

Could you prune the useful link-filled posts, breeding stories, etc.. out of this thread and put them in a sticky titled (something like)..."why you should not breed"..

It will come in handy for the next time someone comes around thinking that breeding is okay. We could simply give them the link to the thread and hope that rational discussion comes from it rather then all the fighting.

If you don’t have time I can do it and, given a few days, come up with even more links, etc... Let me know if you don’t have the time to do it.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by Snipzig

I got ALL of the quiz questions right.

Snipzig. I would like to know the detailed answers to your questions. Please respond.

1. Is your dog purebred? You said it is a miniature poodle. Do you have papers?

2. Did you get your dog from a reputable breeder? Name the breeder please along with the kennel name.


3. Did you get a 3-5 generation pedigree with him? Name the parent’s and grandparents, etc... along with the breeders of these animals.


4. Are there at least 4 titled dogs (conformation, obedience, tracking, field trial, etc.) in the last 3 generations?
Name the animals, owners and areas where they titled.


5. Does your dog fit the breed standard? The only way to know this is to have entered the dog into shows where she would be judged among her peers. If that is indeed the fact (since you claimed you answered the questions "right") please supply the names of the shows this dog has been entered in, the titles she has earned, her rank and a list of her faults.

6. Is your dog healthy and certified free of genetic diseases and faults? Please scan and upload your dog’s health certificate.


7.Since you have already bred her all of those questions also apply to the male/stud, supply answers on the stud’s behalf as well.

[aqh88]

What I gather is the excuse for breeding is that there are no shelters in a close driving distance. So you are supplying dogs for an area that can't easily get them. If I was getting a dog that would be with me for 10yrs or more I don't think I'd complain about driving 1 day or maybe even 2 days to find him. I'd also bring back others to adopt out to those people that can't make the drive. There are times when I just can't drive because I can't always sleep and I don't want to get in a wreck. Otherwise when I found no guinea pigs near me I was going to drive 2hrs one way just for 1 guinea pig instead of going to the petstore or local breeders. If you took the time and money you spend on breeding your dog and raising the puppies to instead drive to a shelter you would first off be saving a life and 2nd not causing the death of others by creating more dogs. There are also many wonderful people out there that will help transport an animal to you just so it can have a home. They will go out of their way to make sure that animal reaches a safe place. Those dogs especially need your help if there aren't many people around to adopt them. There is no good excuse for breeding even if you live in the middle of nowhere like me. If you and others have a car you have the means to get to those animals. It just depends how lazy or selfish you are that you wouldn't give up 1 day of your time to do so.